you need to grow a thicker skin your taking your own opinion and others too personally.. you posted a contreversial topic with over expectations of sympathy,

it's like posting on a COD or BF forum saying you think all the vets should remove their weapon attachments, upgrades, and all use starting weapons- what kind of response would you expect from those communities?

I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this.

Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc.
maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank?

Know how does one do this?

Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear.

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Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time.

7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime.


or proto gear and proto squad.

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I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are.

And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards.

You also pushing people toward proto gear.

Thanks for reading this.

For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge.

as for a thicker skin - thanks for the advice. i don't think it's controversial, it's just the loudest voices are on the pro stomping side.

When a squad of proto users spawns into an Ambush and the other team, all 16, are killed in the first encounter, why doesn't that squad get bored and leave the game so they can find a better opponent?

Nobody ever says this. But it's okay for people on the losing side to get advised to quit the match and find a new one.

The winners can stomp all they want, but the losers have to leave and find a better match.

And / or "Find a Squad!" regardless of whether I'm in a squad or not.

Neither of these is a "good answer" to the problem, but they have become acceptable on this forum.

The people on this forum assume certain things and make snap judgments. Some just to get a laugh, others because they fell good, getting that next kill around a spawning area and they don't want that feeling taken away.

Is that everyone, no. Is that most people, no probably not. Is it some of the people, yes. The game works best when there is some parity in the game play. I've been on both sides of the stomping. I prefer a match that makes me work for the points. Stomping or getting stomped is not fun.

For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge.

The fact that more n more people leave a match when you see proto stompers. I encourage this to the fullest because if the stompers have no one to stomp against then im sure something will happen to make them stop stomping ALL the time. Id rather leave a battle to fight militia in starter suits then face stompers.

If each match takes 20 minutes, you are getting 6,000 SP just being in the match. Pull 1,000 WP, a number I think works as 'competent player trying hard', and you are getting 8k a match. 70,000 / 8 = 9 matches, 9 x 20 = 3 hours of play. Of course, matches do not last nearly that long. Most are closer to 15 minutes or less.

Am I the only one that can get 10k sp unboosted in standard militia gear with an advanced combat rifle?

Okay, so far we've had approx 15 comments on how lame I am and how great they are and/or how they dislike "people who complain about proto users." I guess it makes you feel good to anonymously make fun of people on forums, whatever, as long as there is no name calling or threats (of course using proto retards is name calling and the first time you use that word in an email at a fortune 500 type company you would be warned, the second time fired). You could just not comment at all or actually offer something useful. anyhow

One suggestion that I just go with the flow and use proto gear myself, but make a profit at it or else it doesn't make sense. I complain, but I think this was an honest attempt at helping me. I could be wrong, but I will assume it was meant to be so, so thanks.

And 2 anonymous likes.

So essentially, no help from the forums.

In general I like the idea of the daily rewards. Just not the implementation.

Thanks for reading this.

When a squad of proto users spawns into an Ambush and the other team, all 16, are killed in the first encounter, why doesn't that squad get bored and leave the game so they can find a better opponent?

Nobody ever says this. But it's okay for people on the losing side to get advised to quit the match and find a new one.

The last Ambush game I played was with a few corp members; our entire team spawned within 10 meters of the enemy team, all bunched up, and they had a few guys spamming Mass Drivers. We dropped 20 clones in the first 15 seconds or so. Naturally, it was a squad of 4 people and randoms versus two full squads of people but bad initial spawning and getting spawn trapped for the first 40 clones is what really lost the game.

As a good Logi, in an advanced suit, in a squad with 2 other advanced gear or less players, this is not at all hard in a Domination match. I may only get 1 kill , but if no one else has put out uplinks (happens now ) and my "front men" are not reckless while I am repping them, I can get over 10k SP half the time. Better players (also not wearing proto gear) could probably do it solo or as an ADS pilot or any number of other ways without using proto gear.

Why only half the time? Because the other half the time, there are more squadded up players using better strategy on the other team, and MY team loses painfully. My squad will still do RELATIVELY good, but the coordination by more players on the other side wins the day.

Coordination > Game Experience > Gear

That's why I think all the talk of trying to "fix" proto-stomping by sorting players into battle according to gear is going about the "problem" bass-ackwards. You will still have experienced players coordinating their efforts in MILITIA gear totally owning a random collection of nooberries.

If you want more of the matches to be competitive, CCP should do things to encourage new players to join a corp and learn from experienced players, introduce a "Platoon" game mode, and/or add training in squadding to an extended academy experience.

Warning, controversial statement : Solo play in Dust should be for the extremes...foolish nooberries and elite-skilled pros. I am no longer the first and may never be the second.

im a blueberry with no mic so i usually get kicked from squads i join and have to run solo, its a hard life out there

For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge.