DUST Search - So CCP it's time to look at Sentinels now

SoTa PoP wrote:

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

They are far too easy to use for them to absorb that much damage and be able to use out the highest DPS of any gun in the whole game.

A few EWAR changes here and there and I am seeing a slight decrease in the scout population, but heavies, mostly Sentinels are going at it strong. Being spammed all across the game and the drive-by Heavies.

The best thing to do in my opinion here is to make some changes to the HMG, make it have a little bit more faster heat build up, reduce the RPM, and maybe even give the HMG a spool up time. Like real mini-guns, that need to spin a little before the rounds start firing.

This will add at least some gun game to the HMG users and will require a little bit more skill.

I could give out numbers on how heat, RPM and spool up time will work on the different HMGs but I am in no way good with numbers.

What do you guys say?

I can't tell if you mean this or not.

Firstly, EWAR hasn't changed enough that a heavy can reliably run solo. It is still a group orientated suit because of the many weaknesses it has, range, hit box, speed, ect. The only way to make up for this is use vehicles or stick close to a corner - one method is easily hard countered with out a lot of SP investment, and even then still countered, and the EWAR value of the other suits makes camping just sorta dumb.

The maps are designed for multiple paths to objectives - this gives the advantage EWAR suits, or plainly every suit but a speed heavy. (lol)

And if your going to give me a spool up time then I'd like for my much larger shots fired from a much stronger guns bullets to reach past 40m. Otherwise your suggestion is ridiculous and isn't considering the heavy plight at all. We're meant to hold objectives - not give you a chance at a 1v1. You shouldn't be winning your 1v1's versus us in our optimal - PERIOD. We have limitations to our movement and hitboxes for a REASON.

What you've been noticing in Pubs is that if enough heavies are spammed it can lead to one side getting overwhelmed. That isn't because the suit or the gun - it's players being bad.

And I thank them for it - because, unlike you it seems, I adapted. Heavies are nothing more then fodder. I will teach them all how a heavy suit is really used, then enjoy the hate mails afterwords as they realize they can't replicate it.

Bear

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Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8723	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:03:00 - [31] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: You think the Sentinels are OP? Stop your crying. I run Sentinel as a standard heavy suit and any ComR, BrAr, ScR absolutely destroys us. Clearly you've been using the wrong weapon against them. Clearly you've never PC'd You can't stop the heavy spam without A.) More heavies B.) RE's Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Edau Skir2 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:13:00 - [32] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: You think the Sentinels are OP? Stop your crying. I run Sentinel as a standard heavy suit and any ComR, BrAr, ScR absolutely destroys us. Clearly you've been using the wrong weapon against them. Clearly you've never PC'd You can't stop the heavy spam without A.) More heavies B.) RE's You'd be correct. But this is due to being fairly new and not knowing which corps still play pc. Otherwise I'd of tried joining one by now
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 551	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:19:00 - [33] - Quote If you complain about how much you get wrecked when you wear a suit with 1000+ HP, 25% damage resistance and THE highest DPS weapon in the game, just uninstall the game. Anytime I want to pad my KDR, I just bring out a speed heavy and just dominate any other frame in my way. If you get 1v1'd by an assault, I just feel bad for you. Only loyal to the republic. I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
Edau Skir2 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:23:00 - [34] - Quote Obviously, some weapons are better against them than others depending on the Race it belongs to. I run Minmatar Sentinel, and the ScR hurts the most. Leads to a lot of revenge killings with the proto HMG fit if it happens too much
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 467	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:18:00 - [35] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: You think the Sentinels are OP? Stop your crying. I run Sentinel as a standard heavy suit and any ComR, BrAr, ScR absolutely destroys us. Clearly you've been using the wrong weapon against them. If you read more carefully what I typed in the thread, it is more about making the HMG taking skill to use. The suit itself is fine. But HMG sentinels are too easy to use and are currently being spammed a lot. Hell, almost never have I seen such heavy use of militia heavies with HMGs ever since the Sentinel spam started. Now everyone wants a play turn and they use whatever heavy suit they have at their disposal to try and remain a bit competitive against the constant spam. So read better. No where did I mentioned that Sentinels are OP. If anything more, they are too easy to use. That's all. Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 467	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:20:00 - [36] - Quote castba wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Sentinels are too OP and no amount of heat build-up nerfs will stop their reign. Just nerf the sentinels movement speed enough so they HAVE to do their job of point defense, and nerf HMG range to like 10-20 meters.(it'll stop car heavies also because they won't be able to get to hit you if you run away,) It's with HMG sentinels that people are mostly complaining about. The HMG in itself is a gun with little to no drawbacks. It has the same effectiev range as the AR and the heat build up is barely there. Accompany that with it's huge RPM and you get a very powerful gun. Now the suits don't need a nerf. They are slow enough already (unless someone decides to put Kinkats on them) Plus any nerf to the suits will make the Minmatar Sentinels very UP. I think a few changes to the HMG will make tourist Sentinels stay away from it. I hope you mean the standard variant HMG? The burst certainly needs no further nerfs and is borderline detrimental if encountering 2 or more people. Yeah I was talking about the standard variant HMG. If I was also talking about the other variants, I would have included them. PS: And as of now the Burst HMG is my favorite HMG. Not because it can kill fast but because there is a big penalty for it if you get too trigger happy. Which I like! Takes a little bit of skill to use now. No wonder they stopped being heavily used since they were changed Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 467	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:26:00 - [37] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Obviously, some weapons are better against them than others depending on the Race it belongs to. I run Minmatar Sentinel, and the ScR hurts the most. Leads to a lot of revenge killings with the proto HMG fit if it happens too much Minmatar Sentinel as well. And I back this up. But the difference between Minmatar Sentinel and the other's is that stacking HP mods on it would hinder you. As your eHP is still too low to be a good point defense shooting behemoth. So one of the few choices most Minmatar Sentinels have is to Speed tank (like I do. And man is it fun to see them med frames run away when I come charging with them with my HMG almost as fast as they are ) and use the highs for damage mods. Or speed tank it and use the highs for shield mods so at least you can survive a little longer. Compared to most of the heavies? Gallente, Amarr and Caldari can just brick tank theirs and not have to worry about almost nothing. Especially if they have a logi on them. Since Minmatar is too squishy and weak either speed tanking it or brick tanking it, many people don't use it. Because people speccing into Sentinels just want to stand in one spot and get those kills. While you can't do that with the Minmatar one which takes a little bit of skill to use. Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
oldhero Titans of Phoenix 19	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:35:00 - [38] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Big miku wrote: Real life Miniguns do not require a "spool up". Do a little research you nit. Just look on youtube. In real life there aren't plasma rifles/cannons/pistols, laser rifles/pistols, you get my argument. And should we remove RR and BP spool up? Cuz in real life they most likely wouldn't need to charge. Its a freaking electric railgun... EDIT: Who says nit? Just say nitwit... Do you even know how the concept of a rail gun works? To have a rail gun is to accelerate a projectile at extreme speeds and a little touch of electricity would not be enough you need a massive amount for just 1 round and then there's the matter with the HMG it is NOT in any for considered a rail type weapon its a conventional gunpowder gun just like all other minmitar weapons are The Black Reaper Employed as a angeloid guardian Pray you don't cross paths whit me
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 690	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:35:00 - [39] - Quote The sentinels are annoying, but fine. They arent as powerful as chromosome with their ridiculous sharpshooter range and dps but not as bad as the uprising launch when they were basically glorified build a bear models that shot cotton balls. Heavies are in a good place atm. Useful, not OP. I run a speed fit sentinel gk0 and can say you can dominate in a heavy and get destroyed just as easy. LogicGäó
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 468	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:54:00 - [40] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: The sentinels are annoying, but fine. They arent as powerful as chromosome with their ridiculous sharpshooter range and dps but not as bad as the uprising launch when they were basically glorified build a bear models that shot cotton balls. Heavies are in a good place atm. Useful, not OP. I run a speed fit sentinel gk0 and can say you can dominate in a heavy and get destroyed just as easy. It's the constatn spam that keeps people whining and calling in for the nerf hammer to hit the Sentinel. I have no problem going up against a heavy in one-on-one situation. If I killed him, I was smarter than him and out maneuvered him. If he killed me, I had it coming for taking a Sentinel head on. But when every single corner I turn to there is a sentinel, I try to run away from the objective because it has been taken by a legion of enemy sentinels only to find more sentinels awaiting for me at the destination I was hoping to arrive t=to? It is a problem. And not only to me. It is to every other med-frame or for god sakes the scout suits. There are various of ways that Sentinels can stay the way they are with no nerf of a little bit of change of play style. How? Stop spamming them on every match! But we know how this community is and they will spam the heavy suit until it is no longer the "eas-fit" it is now. Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression

xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 379	Posted - 2014.12.10 09:08:00 - [41] - Quote As OP asked, sentinal pros and cons Pros: Resistance to explosive damage Uses high DPS weapon Uses a weapon with a large clip Has the most HP of any suit in the game Wins 1v1 any suit (unless you are a shotgun scout scrub) Can be repped (meaning there is a larger window at which the heavy has enough armor to back away from a fight and be repped....like a warning signal) Cons: Slow Bad regeneration statistics Bad eWar statistics bad biotic statistics If you find anymore, tell me My to-do list when i return to dust: Logi my own way to an OB, and never use the cloak on my minja! And have some ISK!
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 468	Posted - 2014.12.11 00:46:00 - [42] - Quote xavier zor wrote: As OP asked, sentinal pros and cons Pros: Resistance to explosive damage Uses high DPS weapon Uses a weapon with a large clip Has the most HP of any suit in the game Wins 1v1 any suit (unless you are a shotgun scout scrub) Can be repped (meaning there is a larger window at which the heavy has enough armor to back away from a fight and be repped....like a warning signal) Cons: Slow Bad regeneration statistics Bad eWar statistics bad biotic statistics If you find anymore, tell me Can't think of any more cons Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 203	Posted - 2014.12.11 11:05:00 - [43] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: xavier zor wrote: As OP asked, sentinal pros and cons Pros: Resistance to explosive damage Uses high DPS weapon Uses a weapon with a large clip Has the most HP of any suit in the game Wins 1v1 any suit (unless you are a shotgun scout scrub) Can be repped (meaning there is a larger window at which the heavy has enough armor to back away from a fight and be repped....like a warning signal) Cons: Slow Bad regeneration statistics Bad eWar statistics bad biotic statistics If you find anymore, tell me Can't think of any more cons A huge hitbox?
4lbert Wesker WESKER S.T.A.R.S 15	Posted - 2014.12.11 11:21:00 - [44] - Quote Bohohoooo Sentinels are killing me !!! Bohoooo let's nerf them bohoooo !!! Bohohooooo HMG is so OP!! Same old story over and over and over and over again...100% of time i run with Caldari Sentinel and since Rail gun CQC is nerfed I came across at dudes with Assault rifles 70% of time and with few shots they halve my shield.Did you see me complaining?What about Snipers at redline and MCC's that cant be seen but they can see you?What about ultra fast scouts with cloak and Shotgun?Main reason you are complaining is that Sentinels with cheap ass standard fit(6000 ISK) can devastate your fat proto ass. I punched camel once,and it meows at me
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 42	Posted - 2014.12.11 11:25:00 - [45] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: They are far too easy to use for them to absorb that much damage and be able to use out the highest DPS of any gun in the whole game. A few EWAR changes here and there and I am seeing a slight decrease in the scout population, but heavies, mostly Sentinels are going at it strong. Being spammed all across the game and the drive-by Heavies. The best thing to do in my opinion here is to make some changes to the HMG, make it have a little bit more faster heat build up, reduce the RPM, and maybe even give the HMG a spool up time. Like real mini-guns, that need to spin a little before the rounds start firing. This will add at least some gun game to the HMG users and will require a little bit more skill. I could give out numbers on how heat, RPM and spool up time will work on the different HMGs but I am in no way good with numbers. What do you guys say? A bk42 with proficiency will destroy any armor in the game. And can be held by a invisible scout. Or hey an assault with more hp then this sentinel you speak off. The mediums and small have small hitbox. You wanna talk about the six kin now?
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 469	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:59:00 - [46] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Bohohoooo Sentinels are killing me !!! Bohoooo let's nerf them bohoooo !!! Bohohooooo HMG is so OP!! Same old story over and over and over and over again...100% of time i run with Caldari Sentinel and since Rail gun CQC is nerfed I came across at dudes with Assault rifles 70% of time and with few shots they halve my shield.Did you see me complaining?What about Snipers at redline and MCC's that cant be seen but they can see you?What about ultra fast scouts with cloak and Shotgun?Main reason you are complaining is that Sentinels with cheap ass standard fit(6000 ISK) can devastate your fat proto ass. This reply of yours shows your ignorance and incompetence to read. I said that Sentinels are being spammed left and right everywhere now. There is not a single match that I join that I don't see 8+ heavies on each side. When did I said that Sentinels are OP? When did I said that the HMG is OP? All I said that the role is too easy to use and would to see some actual skill be implemented to it. Because using an Assault suit against 8+ heavies targetting you is not exactly fair play. Especially on onjective based gamemodes. I protested against the scouts, and now I am doing the same with Sentinels. I seek game balance and fun for everyone in the game. Not just because "I got killed, IMMA GO WHINE ABOUT IN THE FORUMS" Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 469	Posted - 2014.12.11 22:10:00 - [47] - Quote thehellisgoingon wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: They are far too easy to use for them to absorb that much damage and be able to use out the highest DPS of any gun in the whole game. A few EWAR changes here and there and I am seeing a slight decrease in the scout population, but heavies, mostly Sentinels are going at it strong. Being spammed all across the game and the drive-by Heavies. The best thing to do in my opinion here is to make some changes to the HMG, make it have a little bit more faster heat build up, reduce the RPM, and maybe even give the HMG a spool up time. Like real mini-guns, that need to spin a little before the rounds start firing. This will add at least some gun game to the HMG users and will require a little bit more skill. I could give out numbers on how heat, RPM and spool up time will work on the different HMGs but I am in no way good with numbers. What do you guys say? A bk42 with proficiency will destroy any armor in the game. And can be held by a invisible scout. Or hey an assault with more hp then this sentinel you speak off. The mediums and small have small hitbox. You wanna talk about the six kin CR now? With the upcoming nerfs to armor plates, I think it would be fair for CCP to also nerf a little the damage done by Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles. or else Armor tanking will be dead. Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 420	Posted - 2014.12.11 23:48:00 - [48] - Quote The suits are fine (maybe not the bonuses but it's not really the thing here). The problem is with the HMG. It deals way too much damages over a way to high range (40m isn't right at all). Even at close range they just rekt everything. I know it's what they are supposed to do, but doing so while requiring NO skill isn't tolerable. Heat build up is good now IMO and doesn't need to be changed. I propose a range reduction to 20m max and a .8s charge up time making it work as a real mini gun. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 475	Posted - 2014.12.12 00:31:00 - [49] - Quote xavier zor wrote: As OP asked, sentinal pros and cons Pros: Resistance to explosive damage Uses high DPS weapon Uses a weapon with a large clip Has the most HP of any suit in the game Wins 1v1 any suit (unless you are a shotgun scout scrub) Can be repped (meaning there is a larger window at which the heavy has enough armor to back away from a fight and be repped....like a warning signal) Cons: Slow Bad regeneration statistics Bad eWar statistics bad biotic statistics If you find anymore, tell me Are you guys serious? This is how y'all view heavies? Here is a pro: Easily spawns from uplinks anywhere so can return to the fight just as fast as a scout. or Most objectives sit in CQC where heavy weaknesses are nullified. or Usually have a logi stuck to them super repping -- and now logi gets an ewar bonus (which is shared) effectively nullifying the heavy being blind weakness. Heavies are the only suit in the game who has their weaknesses nullified consistently by situation.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3076	Posted - 2014.12.12 03:18:00 - [50] - Quote GREATLY increase HMG dispersion, so that you can't hit anything until after about a second or so of firing. Reduce range. Reduce RoF and damage. Reduce Am and Gal sentinel shield HP; Reduce Cal and Min armor HP. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

castba Rogue Instincts 682	Posted - 2014.12.12 04:47:00 - [51] - Quote Just bring back the Chromosome pricing of ALL dropsuits. I seems to recall proto heavies costing over 250,000isk although I don't remember if that was the fitted or naked price. Would stop a lot of spamming. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Robocop Junior research lab 878	Posted - 2014.12.12 05:59:00 - [52] - Quote Jeez louise, this is getting heavy :/ If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
SoTa PoP Titans of Phoenix 5263	Posted - 2014.12.12 06:11:00 - [53] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: They are far too easy to use for them to absorb that much damage and be able to use out the highest DPS of any gun in the whole game. A few EWAR changes here and there and I am seeing a slight decrease in the scout population, but heavies, mostly Sentinels are going at it strong. Being spammed all across the game and the drive-by Heavies. The best thing to do in my opinion here is to make some changes to the HMG, make it have a little bit more faster heat build up, reduce the RPM, and maybe even give the HMG a spool up time. Like real mini-guns, that need to spin a little before the rounds start firing. This will add at least some gun game to the HMG users and will require a little bit more skill. I could give out numbers on how heat, RPM and spool up time will work on the different HMGs but I am in no way good with numbers. What do you guys say? I can't tell if you mean this or not. Firstly, EWAR hasn't changed enough that a heavy can reliably run solo. It is still a group orientated suit because of the many weaknesses it has, range, hit box, speed, ect. The only way to make up for this is use vehicles or stick close to a corner - one method is easily hard countered with out a lot of SP investment, and even then still countered, and the EWAR value of the other suits makes camping just sorta dumb. The maps are designed for multiple paths to objectives - this gives the advantage EWAR suits, or plainly every suit but a speed heavy. (lol) And if your going to give me a spool up time then I'd like for my much larger shots fired from a much stronger guns bullets to reach past 40m. Otherwise your suggestion is ridiculous and isn't considering the heavy plight at all. We're meant to hold objectives - not give you a chance at a 1v1. You shouldn't be winning your 1v1's versus us in our optimal - PERIOD. We have limitations to our movement and hitboxes for a REASON. What you've been noticing in Pubs is that if enough heavies are spammed it can lead to one side getting overwhelmed. That isn't because the suit or the gun - it's players being bad. And I thank them for it - because, unlike you it seems, I adapted. Heavies are nothing more then fodder. I will teach them all how a heavy suit is really used, then enjoy the hate mails afterwords as they realize they can't replicate it. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Titans of Phoenix 5263	Posted - 2014.12.12 06:14:00 - [54] - Quote xavier zor wrote: As OP asked, sentinal pros and cons Pros: Resistance to explosive damage Uses high DPS weapon Uses a weapon with a large clip Has the most HP of any suit in the game Wins 1v1 any suit (unless you are a shotgun scout scrub) you forgot RE's and vehicles, larger hit box means easier target for tanks Can be repped (meaning there is a larger window at which the heavy has enough armor to back away from a fight and be repped....like a warning signal) Cons: Slow Bad regeneration statistics Bad eWar statistics bad biotic statistics large head hitbox large body hitbox less slots for versatility Specialized weapon have no range, forcing them to use light to compete in many instances requires more SP investment If you find anymore, tell me n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5043	Posted - 2014.12.12 07:01:00 - [55] - Quote Needs more bobble head like, err, heads.
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 610	Posted - 2014.12.12 16:03:00 - [56] - Quote calvin b wrote: Sorry I run all suits and I can tell you a heavy against a fast suit is no match. HMG has only so much range, I have caught scouts from behind and should have killed them. Nope, hit detection and speed, I watch as my bullets bounced off as they ran out of my range only to be killed by them a few seconds later. I will even make this interesting, I will use my new toy, my Min Assault and you can use an advanced heavy with any HMG you choose. I run as fast or faster than most scouts, and I will out DPS easily with my weapon. So I have range and speed over you. The heavy is a niche role and if you force the heavy to play outside that role they will lose. Stop taking a heavy head on, distance, speed, and flanking is key to dropping most heavies. the problem is that most fights take place im CQC ranges, where the heavy is dominant. heavies do have a niche of short range point defence, but for most players, all their fights tend to occur within the heavies niche. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6378	Posted - 2014.12.12 16:09:00 - [57] - Quote Thats pretty much all the heavy has going for it. A beasty hp suit with a beasty weapon and resistances to match. I am GJRs Renfield. You heard it here first, I told you so.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6378	Posted - 2014.12.12 16:11:00 - [58] - Quote castba wrote: Just bring back the Chromosome pricing of ALL dropsuits. I seems to recall proto heavies costing over 250,000isk although I don't remember if that was the fitted or naked price. Would stop a lot of spamming. That was naked price, dropsuit only.. No that would make it only spammable for vets. I am GJRs Renfield. You heard it here first, I told you so.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 471	Posted - 2014.12.16 19:36:00 - [59] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: They are far too easy to use for them to absorb that much damage and be able to use out the highest DPS of any gun in the whole game. A few EWAR changes here and there and I am seeing a slight decrease in the scout population, but heavies, mostly Sentinels are going at it strong. Being spammed all across the game and the drive-by Heavies. The best thing to do in my opinion here is to make some changes to the HMG, make it have a little bit more faster heat build up, reduce the RPM, and maybe even give the HMG a spool up time. Like real mini-guns, that need to spin a little before the rounds start firing. This will add at least some gun game to the HMG users and will require a little bit more skill. I could give out numbers on how heat, RPM and spool up time will work on the different HMGs but I am in no way good with numbers. What do you guys say? I can't tell if you mean this or not. Firstly, EWAR hasn't changed enough that a heavy can reliably run solo. It is still a group orientated suit because of the many weaknesses it has, range, hit box, speed, ect. The only way to make up for this is use vehicles or stick close to a corner - one method is easily hard countered with out a lot of SP investment, and even then still countered, and the EWAR value of the other suits makes camping just sorta dumb. The maps are designed for multiple paths to objectives - this gives the advantage EWAR suits, or plainly every suit but a speed heavy. (lol) And if your going to give me a spool up time then I'd like for my much larger shots fired from a much stronger guns bullets to reach past 40m. Otherwise your suggestion is ridiculous and isn't considering the heavy plight at all. We're meant to hold objectives - not give you a chance at a 1v1. You shouldn't be winning your 1v1's versus us in our optimal - PERIOD. We have limitations to our movement and hitboxes for a REASON. What you've been noticing in Pubs is that if enough heavies are spammed it can lead to one side getting overwhelmed. That isn't because the suit or the gun - it's players being bad. And I thank them for it - because, unlike you it seems, I adapted. Heavies are nothing more then fodder. I will teach them all how a heavy suit is really used, then enjoy the hate mails afterwords as they realize they can't replicate it. sigh Where did I stated that I would love to 1v1 heaviee? If anything I try to run out of his range whenever I see one. my complaint is about the spam. I run away from one and I find another in a corner, I get away from there only to find more on the other direction I am heading. And I dont know. Most objectives are in an enclosed area with 2 or 3 ways to get in it. Unless it is the objective that is at the rail walks in the Gallente Research racility where there are like 5 ways to get in. But other than that, most objectives offer 2 or 3 entry points (accesible by foot and not uplinks on rooftops of course) And I would also like to see the role get the skill it used to have back. Changing the suita can break the Sentinel so I proposer HMG changes. So a Sentinel won't get too trigger happy and unleash a hell of bullets. Which is why I love the Burst HMG. Powerful but you need to learn how to manage heat and ammo because that thing runs out of ammo fast. Regular HMG can just keep firing for a long while. Making little to no heat management skill to apply. And it also carries a huge mag so anyone can slap it on their Heavy/Sentinel and get a multitude of skill. A gun that powerful shouldnt be that easy to use. I dont see the spool up time to be added to it so how about an increase in heat for it? Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Indy Strizer Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 210	Posted - 2014.12.16 20:02:00 - [60] - Quote I think heavies shouldn't be both nimble and powerful in CQC- it seems to be dominanting the realm of CQC too much. I think the HMG should turn the heavy into a powerful human turret that is great for point defense and locking down flanks, but not very ideal for advancing down hallways and reacting to enemies appearing around corners quickly and such. I've suggested giving a massive spool time with the ability for players to "pre-charge" by holding L1 on the feedback section before.



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