DUST Search - Logis Need a Speed Buff

Z3dog wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults.

I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none.

In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad.

So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts.

So Amarr And CAl would have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault counter parts.
The Min And Gal -0.20.

I dont mean JUST SPRNT speed. They need, more than sprint speed, more Strafe and Movement speed.

Another thing. A speed buff wouldnt make Logis OP, nor SLAYER logis.

Consider:
Assaults ALREADY have a LOT more EHP. They are ALREADY faster , and have better shield regen and armor regen values. WHILE, Having the same (n most cases) amount of slots.

Discuss.

The minmatar logi, i believe, is the only valid general logistics suit because it is the only one fast enough to consistently keep up. I wish they would buff the sprint speed, but buffing the jog (walk) speed would also be interesting.

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Robocop Junior Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 822	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:08:00 - [31] - Quote If only King was in charge. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:09:00 - [32] - Quote Z3dog wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults. I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none. In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad. So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts. So Amarr And CAl would have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault counter parts. The Min And Gal -0.20. I dont mean JUST SPRNT speed. They need, more than sprint speed, more Strafe and Movement speed. Another thing. A speed buff wouldnt make Logis OP, nor SLAYER logis. Consider: Assaults ALREADY have a LOT more EHP. They are ALREADY faster , and have better shield regen and armor regen values. WHILE, Having the same (n most cases) amount of slots. Discuss. The minmatar logi, i believe, is the only valid general logistics suit because it is the only one fast enough to consistently keep up. I wish they would buff the sprint speed, but buffing the jog (walk) speed would also be interesting. minmatar I'd the only one fast enough at base yes My amar logi runs 1 kinkats 2 reps 1 plate. doing so doubled my survival rate If they boosted logi speed across the board it would be awesome I could run 2 plates WITH OUT crawling Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6350	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:13:00 - [33] - Quote Ferroscale and kincats are your friend. Don't equip armor plates if you don't like losing speed. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Robocop Junior Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 822	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:16:00 - [34] - Quote If only Deadly was a woman, the things I would do to her. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1377	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:17:00 - [35] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Rattati brought something up that will help alleviate the situation if implimented: CCP Rattati wrote: I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass. base speed = 6 at zero mass Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp) base speed 100/X = 5.2 plate = 10 1 plate = 10% speed reduction 5 plates = 50% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty Sentinel = 500 base speed = 500/X = 4.5 plate = 10 1 plate = 2% speed reduction 5 plates = 10% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty penalty wouldn't have to be linear I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that Something tells me the rules will be broken when it comes to logistics and assaults. Currently: -logis have almost scout level eHP -logis have almost commando level speed And as speed to eHP ratio shows,this is broken. -assaults have 160 more eHP than logistics -assaults have higher speed compared to the lower eHP logistics This too is broken. But it is considered "ok" by CCP,and COD/BF4 players. My bet says logistics will still be badly gimped,and speed changes to eHP mods will doom the class. While assaults will have almost 0 penalty and flourish. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6214	Posted - 2014.12.09 14:47:00 - [36] - Quote People saying that Logis shouldnt be buffed because logis shouldnt be able to kill, are not considering the fact that Suppressive Fire is ALSO support. As it is, a Logi rounds around 400-600 EHP , while being slow as a commando. The only true bet is to hide behind sentinels. Speed is needed for us to revive you, decent survivability is needed in order to fulfill our duty. Pretty common example: Say Im a logi. Im repping a Sentinel. 2 of us. Then , we face 2 Enemy sentinels with a Logi. My heavy takes out 1 enemy sentinel and hurts the second one and the logi, but this second sentinel kills by heavy. So now, my mission changes. I need to REVIVE my heavy and Rep him to full health, the issue is, i still have a Damaged enemy Sentinel that is Quickly being repaired and a Damaged enemy Logi. So i change to my Light weapon (process that if it takes 2 seconds, thats 2 seconds of enemy HMG on my face) At its current state, i dont have the Firepower nor EHP to take down the heavy on my own. I can attempt to down the Logi (and stop the reps) but due to lack of firepower AND EHP chances are that i will be killed by either one, or the other. WIth some speed, the logi should be able to kill BOTH a damged sent and the Logi. As Logis aer now, they are slow AND squishy while having same scan profile as Assaults. So as you see the only thing we really have going for us is Equipment, but equipment alone doesnt cut it. Logis should be the 2nd fastest suits , not assaults. But since i dont want to pss off the whole community, im just requesting a -0.15 / -0.20 speed differences with assaults. Amarr FW blue dots suck.* If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 94	Posted - 2014.12.09 15:48:00 - [37] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: Yep Logis need a boost. Logis have work to do. Thanks. Funny fact. Most people against Logis having a speed buff do this while in a game....: ''Where the * is my repairs?'' '' Why nobody has scans!!!!!!! im getting F* by scouts!'' ''There are no freakn uplinks in this maps'' or '' all uplinks are piled up together'' ''My Fat a* is out of ammo. AMMO AMMO!!!!!...''' ''Anyone with a needle? Where are the logis!!???!!'' Heh.... Right on the money. Always someone needing something. ScReWeD uP InC Recruit BPO's**
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2315	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:11:00 - [38] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l The thing is, no other class needs a speed buff as much as Logis. Scouts are speedy as it is Assaults are Very fast considering the amount of EHP they can pack (Specially the Minmatar who outruns the AMarr Scout) Sentinels...well ...i dont need to explain why they DONT need to be speedier... No no no, i meant if speed buff for logi, buff every logi. Logi are little slow, i know someone can put contra like "they have gadgets with them". But honestly logi should be faster (even just little), there i agree with you ;j i agree.. i with with adv gal adv cal pro min and std amarr and apart from min and cal the other 2 are really slow.. however! most logi need to brick tank because of the lack of ehp.. so if logi had more ehp we wouldnt have to be as slow.. or perhaps make repair tools give a bonus to movement speed while they are out/active.. +1.5m/s while out but not active +3m/s while out AND active. cause repair tools have a capacitor the same as a rifter apparently so maybe they boost the suit useing them #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2315	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:14:00 - [39] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Ferroscale and kincats are your friend. Don't equip armor plates if you don't like losing speed. not the point. logi are a medium suit with equal or less ehp then scouts with LESS SPEED and we're supposed to be doign a job out on the field #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2315	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:18:00 - [40] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: perhaps not more speed but a lot more stamina for them to run longer. for me i tend to get caught out when my stamina puffs out and not so much as a result of lower overall speed. then again i'm in the mini apex suit currently and i am benefiting from both the speed and stamina and it certainly makes a difference. but i was tanked previously so its hard to tell which is overall more beneficial to increase amarr 4th regen, 1st pool caldari 2nd regen, 3rd pool gallente 3rd regen, 2nd pool minmatar, 1st regen, 4th pool thats how i see the stamina and stamina pool atm.. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 404	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:19:00 - [41] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: just stop armour tanking Ahem.. My Amarr logi only have 4 lows, the lowest speed, and only have somthing like 375 eHP with maxed skills of course. I think I only use ferros and 1 rep in order to keep some speed and with this I can have 787 eHP. I couldn't exchange a ferro for a kin cat cause the loss of HP would make my suit useless. The logi must stay alive if he wants to support his teamates. With such a low eHP/ low regen / low speed he has too many disadvantage IMO. The proposed speed buff seems fair to me ^^ It would be a beggining to make Logis a bit better. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 95	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:29:00 - [42] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Ferroscale and kincats are your friend. Don't equip armor plates if you don't like losing speed. not the point. logi are a medium suit with equal or less ehp then scouts with LESS SPEED and we're supposed to be doign a job out on the field Yep. I agree. Logis aren't light frames. *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6217	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:29:00 - [43] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: just stop armour tanking Ahem.. My Amarr logi only have 4 lows, the lowest speed, and only have somthing like 375 eHP with maxed skills of course. I think I only use ferros and 1 rep in order to keep some speed and with this I can have 787 eHP. I couldn't exchange a ferro for a kin cat cause the loss of HP would make my suit useless. The logi must stay alive if he wants to support his teamates. With such a low eHP/ low regen / low speed he has too many disadvantage IMO. The proposed speed buff seems fair to me ^^ It would be a beggining to make Logis a bit better. Indeed. AMarr Logi not only has less slots than an assault, its slow as any other commando, and it has almost scout level EHP, but if you want to equip Proto equipment you cant even shield tank it properly..(not that it would help at all considering the 15 shield regen per sec...) Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 96	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:58:00 - [44] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: just stop armour tanking Ahem.. My Amarr logi only have 4 lows, the lowest speed, and only have somthing like 375 eHP with maxed skills of course. I think I only use ferros and 1 rep in order to keep some speed and with this I can have 787 eHP. I couldn't exchange a ferro for a kin cat cause the loss of HP would make my suit useless. The logi must stay alive if he wants to support his teamates. With such a low eHP/ low regen / low speed he has too many disadvantage IMO. The proposed speed buff seems fair to me ^^ It would be a beggining to make Logis a bit better. Indeed. AMarr Logi not only has less slots than an assault, its slow as any other commando, and it has almost scout level EHP, but if you want to equip Proto equipment you cant even shield tank it properly..(not that it would help at all considering the 15 shield regen per sec...) That really sucks. So basically you're a slow target just like a heavy without the protection? It's like CCP forgot is a medium frame. *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 404	Posted - 2014.12.09 17:02:00 - [45] - Quote Exactly man, it really needs a big buff. And its bonus over uplinks also disapear when you die! It deeply needs a 5th slot, a speed buff and I'd like to exchange that Sidearm slot for a 4th EQ one ^^ Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6220	Posted - 2014.12.09 17:07:00 - [46] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Exactly man, it really needs a big buff. And its bonus over uplinks also disapear when you die! It deeply needs a 5th slot, a speed buff and I'd like to exchange that Sidearm slot for a 4th EQ one ^^ I ... like the Side arm...makes me feel unique u.u Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 96	Posted - 2014.12.09 17:27:00 - [47] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Exactly man, it really needs a big buff. And its bonus over uplinks also disapear when you die! It deeply needs a 5th slot, a speed buff and I'd like to exchange that Sidearm slot for a 4th EQ one ^^ I ... like the Side arm...makes me feel unique u.u Yep pretty much. Wish I had one on my Logis. Sucks when I have to reload in a fire fight and die. Basically have no other options. *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 97	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:34:00 - [48] - Quote Any Dev reading this? Any love for the Logis? *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6223	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:44:00 - [49] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Any Dev reading this? Any love for the Logis? SERIOUSLY. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1383	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:02:00 - [50] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Any Dev reading this? Any love for the Logis? I'm afraid the term 'logi-love' means love coming from logistics,not going to them. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.

RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 804	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:06:00 - [51] - Quote I started working on a fit for my pro gal logi a few weeks ago that I hadn't considered before. near 500 HP armor, just over 100 shield Repairs 17 or 19 armor a second ( i cant remember which atm ) walks faster than a sentinel runs It turns out, it's actually better in all ways than my dual armor plated / single repped fit I've been running for over a year. Only downside is I had to drop a few of my high mods to enhanced (GASP!) instead of a full proto fit. Upside, I can actually use all 5 lows now instead of needing a CPU module.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5470	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:08:00 - [52] - Quote King, what would you do if CCP offered to normalize logi run/walk speeds (not sprint) with assault, but you had to give up your Amarr logi sidearm? My advice to you, playa...
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 407	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:14:00 - [53] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Exactly man, it really needs a big buff. And its bonus over uplinks also disapear when you die! It deeply needs a 5th slot, a speed buff and I'd like to exchange that Sidearm slot for a 4th EQ one ^^ I ... like the Side arm...makes me feel unique u.u Hahahaha yeah that's right, but I think if you are a true logi you dont really need it as you dont really use your main already^^ I'd rather have a 4th EQ! Then if I can have both I won't shout hu? Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 104	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:23:00 - [54] - Quote Logi Speed Buff Bump *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3866	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:54:00 - [55] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults. I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none. In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad. So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts. So Amarr And CAl would have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault counter parts. The Min And Gal -0.20. I dont mean JUST SPRNT speed. They need, more than sprint speed, more Strafe and Movement speed. Another thing. A speed buff wouldnt make Logis OP, nor SLAYER logis. Consider: Assaults ALREADY have a LOT more EHP. They are ALREADY faster , and have better shield regen and armor regen values. WHILE, Having the same (n most cases) amount of slots. Discuss. After doing some looking into this I skilled the cal logi.. Only 1, it's not bad as long as you fit it for shields and not duel tank it thinking you're cool. Cal logi is fine idk bout min but the gal and Amarr I could get behind a slight speed buff cuz they armor tank anyways soo why not? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6245	Posted - 2014.12.10 14:34:00 - [56] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: After doing some looking into this I skilled the cal logi.. Only 1, it's not bad as long as you fit it for shields and not duel tank it thinking you're cool. Cal logi is fine idk bout min but the gal and Amarr I could get behind a slight speed buff cuz they armor tank anyways soo why not? But to be FAIR, all logis should have the same buff. I think. XD Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 105	Posted - 2014.12.11 19:16:00 - [57] - Quote Logi Speed Buff Bump *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6300	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:23:00 - [58] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Logi Speed Buff Bump ^^^^^^^^ CCP, say something! Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 231	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:38:00 - [59] - Quote If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here?
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6301	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:40:00 - [60] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here? That assaults HAve High HP , High regen and High speed while logis have none. They have equipments but not enough Of the attributes i mentioned in order to effectively survive. My logi runs at 110ish shields and 500Armor...at proto level. Runs at 6.5 sprt speed. Even if i DO use kin cats on it and sacrifice the little HP i have, Whiel walking (repairing) a sentinel im still slow as f*. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress** o7



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