DUST Search - Logis Need a Speed Buff

ZDub 303 wrote:

With respecs and the hella buffed scouts and assault suits. I can't imagine we'll ever see the return of the slayer logi. It would take some seriously massive buffs to make the slayer logi viable again.

With that in mind... pretty much anything to make logi worth running is a plus in my book. Of course there are so many purests who think Logi's shouldn't ever get a kill that you'll make some no headway on that front.

It would be better imo to split the logi class and create two more well defined roles.

One suit with repair, injector, and scanning bonuses for pure logistics. Give them high EHP, assault-level speed, and low combat potential (either an L with damage penalty or possibly an S/S weapon layout)

One suit with more deployable-focused bonuses and L/S/3E layout. They would be lower speed like the current logi is and be more focused on creating and defending support points. Give them an uplink, nanohive, and injector bonus.

I would call one of them a medic suit and the other a logistics suit, or something like that.

Essentially give every race a min logi and an amarr logi. Yes the bonuses wouldn't be so distinct like they are for other races but that shouldn't hold back better role definition. Plus I think racial suits should be more focused on tanking style and less focused on specific role types.

But hey... my opinion is rarely popular on these forums so v0v.

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KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6173	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:08:00 - [1] - Quote So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults. I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none. In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad. So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts. So Amarr And CAl would ahve -0.15 speed compared to their ASsault counter parts. The Min And Gal -0.20. Discuss. Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
postapo wastelander Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 787	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:09:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults. I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none. In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad. So i propose that Logis just have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault Counter parts. Discuss. If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l *"We build from rust"*
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6173	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:14:00 - [3] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l The thing is, no other class needs a speed buff as much as Logis. Scouts are speedy as it is Assaults are Very fast considering the amount of EHP they can pack (Specially the Minmatar who outruns the AMarr Scout) Sentinels...well ...i dont need to explain why they DONT need to be speedier... Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
postapo wastelander Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 787	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:17:00 - [4] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l The thing is, no other class needs a speed buff as much as Logis. Scouts are speedy as it is Assaults are Very fast considering the amount of EHP they can pack (Specially the Minmatar who outruns the AMarr Scout) Sentinels...well ...i dont need to explain why they DONT need to be speedier... No no no, i meant if speed buff for logi, buff every logi. Logi are little slow, i know someone can put contra like "they have gadgets with them". But honestly logi should be faster (even just little), there i agree with you ;j *"We build from rust"*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15606	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:18:00 - [5] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l The thing is, no other class needs a speed buff as much as Logis. Scouts are speedy as it is Assaults are Very fast considering the amount of EHP they can pack (Specially the Minmatar who outruns the AMarr Scout) Sentinels...well ...i dont need to explain why they DONT need to be speedier... Fit a Kin Cat. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6593	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:19:00 - [6] - Quote I would logi if I didn't sink into minheavy. (that I never use besides to forge) That said, an increase in speed isn't bad persay but you'd do well to not give the logi too many buffs less la bumbling slayers return. EDIT: And as True said, fit biotech, not every class needs to be good at everything. That's the assaults' job. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6172	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:27:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l The thing is, no other class needs a speed buff as much as Logis. Scouts are speedy as it is Assaults are Very fast considering the amount of EHP they can pack (Specially the Minmatar who outruns the AMarr Scout) Sentinels...well ...i dont need to explain why they DONT need to be speedier... Fit a Kin Cat. Kin cat wont fix my movement nor strafing speed. T.Adamance/ Invalidated. Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:29:00 - [8] - Quote Logis absolutely do need a speed buff I've said it several time speed is also incredibly important to Thier role. Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15609	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:29:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l The thing is, no other class needs a speed buff as much as Logis. Scouts are speedy as it is Assaults are Very fast considering the amount of EHP they can pack (Specially the Minmatar who outruns the AMarr Scout) Sentinels...well ...i dont need to explain why they DONT need to be speedier... Fit a Kin Cat. Kin cat wont fix my movement nor strafing speed. T.Adamance/ Invalidated. Just run every where then. All this strafing business is indicative of how bad at FPS people are....... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1214	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:29:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults. I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none. In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad. So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts. So Amarr And CAl would have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault counter parts. The Min And Gal -0.20. Discuss. No They are good at their role and can kill if needed no changes needed We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

postapo wastelander Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 788	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:30:00 - [11] - Quote Kin cats are essential, but it is honestly that necessary to be slower than assault class and faster than heavy?! Thats the question. If there will be slight buff it will be nice. If there will be no buff its fine either ;j *"We build from rust"*
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6175	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:31:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Just run every where then. All this strafing business is indicative of how bad at FPS people are....... Logis have the LEAST Stamina and stamina regen. Sprint Speed is not necessarily the ONLY speed they need. Move and Strafe to avoid SOME bullets while repping, reviving,etc... Invalidated again my friend. Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:41:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Just run every where then. All this strafing business is indicative of how bad at FPS people are....... Logis have the LEAST Stamina and stamina regen. Sprint Speed is not necessarily the ONLY speed they need. Move and Strafe to avoid SOME bullets while repping, reviving,etc... Invalidated again my friend. Speed is 100 % crucial all logis have low ehp they should have higher speed. Also if your walking speed is a crawl how can you hope to walk behind heavies and rep them. :/ run to downed allies to revive them. Keep you body behind your bullet sponge ..equipment deployment ..just about every aspect of logi us buffed just by raising Thier speed..they still have the shittiest stamina and stamina recovery..weak ehp..One gun in most cases ..logi being purely support and having no real slaying abilities should have higher speed. Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6189	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:49:00 - [14] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: No They are good at their role and can kill if needed no changes needed Ok. so you are obviously not a logi... Thanks for participating . Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 93	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:57:00 - [15] - Quote Yep Logis need a boost. Logis have work to do. *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6193	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:09:00 - [16] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Yep Logis need a boost. Logis have work to do. Thanks. Funny fact. Most people against Logis having a speed buff do this while in a game....: ''Where the * is my repairs?'' '' Why nobody has scans!!!!!!! im getting F* by scouts!'' ''There are no freakn uplinks in this maps'' or '' all uplinks are piled up together'' ''My Fat a* is out of ammo. AMMO AMMO!!!!!...''' ''Anyone with a needle? Where are the logis!!???!!'' Heh.... Amarr FW blue dots suck.** If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 922	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:12:00 - [17] - Quote Logis should be the second fastest suit in the game, also with the second best EWAR capabilities. They should rank fourth in the list of suits for EHP with scouts coming last on that front. Yeah? The slow blade penetrates the shield.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 1064	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:21:00 - [18] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Logis should be the second fastest suit in the game, also with the second best EWAR capabilities. They should rank fourth in the list of suits for EHP with scouts coming last on that front. Yeah? Inb4 ++ber strafe untouchable slayer logis Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6193	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:21:00 - [19] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Logis should be the second fastest suit in the game, also with the second best EWAR capabilities. They should rank fourth in the list of suits for EHP with scouts coming last on that front. Yeah? Smart Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 601	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:50:00 - [20] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: If buff to speed, buff for everyone. No exceptions ;l The thing is, no other class needs a speed buff as much as Logis. Scouts are speedy as it is Assaults are Very fast considering the amount of EHP they can pack (Specially the Minmatar who outruns the AMarr Scout) Sentinels...well ...i dont need to explain why they DONT need to be speedier... No no no, i meant if speed buff for logi, buff every logi. Logi are little slow, i know someone can put contra like "they have gadgets with them". But honestly logi should be faster (even just little), there i agree with you ;j just stop armour tanking -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando

Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 374	Posted - 2014.12.09 02:08:00 - [21] - Quote Two things I would like to have for my logi. First, faster walking speed, or a reptool, that works while sprinting. It's rediculous how often people who we rep, just are faster and break the rep beam. This would also reduce the threat from scouts a smidge, since you might be able to evade some of those backstabs... Faster Sprint speed. This is essentially important because we are the ones who run around the whole map and back and forth to the depots, to support everybody. Slowness makes this not fun. Sacrificing a low slot for that is not an option, since we need these to get ehp reps or ewar in those slots. I would also really like to get better jump height, since a lot of places are inacsessable if you cant jump high enough. Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 48	Posted - 2014.12.09 02:34:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults. I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none. In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad. So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts. So Amarr And CAl would have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault counter parts. The Min And Gal -0.20. I dont mean JUST SPRNT speed. They need, more than sprint speed, more Strafe and Movement speed. Another thing. A speed buff wouldnt make Logis OP, nor SLAYER logis. Consider: Assaults ALREADY have a LOT more EHP. They are ALREADY faster , and have better shield regen and armor regen values. WHILE, Having the same (n most cases) amount of slots. Discuss. The minmatar logi, i believe, is the only valid general logistics suit because it is the only one fast enough to consistently keep up. I wish they would buff the sprint speed, but buffing the jog (walk) speed would also be interesting. Dust 5/14
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4977	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:27:00 - [23] - Quote With the new scan changes, if you buff logi speed, they'll be setting their other foot in scout territory. Logis are fine, at the moment.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6453	Posted - 2014.12.09 05:30:00 - [24] - Quote Rattati brought something up that will help alleviate the situation if implimented: CCP Rattati wrote: I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass. base speed = 6 at zero mass Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp) base speed 100/X = 5.2 plate = 10 1 plate = 10% speed reduction 5 plates = 50% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty Sentinel = 500 base speed = 500/X = 4.5 plate = 10 1 plate = 2% speed reduction 5 plates = 10% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty penalty wouldn't have to be linear I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1686	Posted - 2014.12.09 05:38:00 - [25] - Quote perhaps not more speed but a lot more stamina for them to run longer. for me i tend to get caught out when my stamina puffs out and not so much as a result of lower overall speed. then again i'm in the mini apex suit currently and i am benefiting from both the speed and stamina and it certainly makes a difference. but i was tanked previously so its hard to tell which is overall more beneficial to increase All Hail Legion
postapo wastelander Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 791	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:06:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: Yep Logis need a boost. Logis have work to do. Thanks. Funny fact. Most people against Logis having a speed buff do this while in a game....: ''Where the * is my repairs?'' '' Why nobody has scans!!!!!!! im getting F* by scouts!'' ''There are no freakn uplinks in this maps'' or '' all uplinks are piled up together'' ''My Fat a* is out of ammo. AMMO AMMO!!!!!...''' ''Anyone with a needle? Where are the logis!!???!!'' Heh.... For this reason i will be really glad if devs implement something like blinking icon with "no ammo" sign over head. Like what we have if someone want take up with needle. "We build from rust"**
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3313	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:21:00 - [27] - Quote With respecs and the hella buffed scouts and assault suits. I can't imagine we'll ever see the return of the slayer logi. It would take some seriously massive buffs to make the slayer logi viable again. With that in mind... pretty much anything to make logi worth running is a plus in my book. Of course there are so many purests who think Logi's shouldn't ever get a kill that you'll make some no headway on that front. It would be better imo to split the logi class and create two more well defined roles. One suit with repair, injector, and scanning bonuses for pure logistics. Give them high EHP, assault-level speed, and low combat potential (either an L with damage penalty or possibly an S/S weapon layout) One suit with more deployable-focused bonuses and L/S/3E layout. They would be lower speed like the current logi is and be more focused on creating and defending support points. Give them an uplink, nanohive, and injector bonus. I would call one of them a medic suit and the other a logistics suit, or something like that. Essentially give every race a min logi and an amarr logi. Yes the bonuses wouldn't be so distinct like they are for other races but that shouldn't hold back better role definition. Plus I think racial suits should be more focused on tanking style and less focused on specific role types. But hey... my opinion is rarely popular on these forums so v0v.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3282	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:04:00 - [28] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: With respecs and the hella buffed scouts and assault suits. I can't imagine we'll ever see the return of the slayer logi. It would take some seriously massive buffs to make the slayer logi viable again. With that in mind... pretty much anything to make logi worth running is a plus in my book. Of course there are so many purests who think Logi's shouldn't ever get a kill that you'll make some no headway on that front. It would be better imo to split the logi class and create two more well defined roles. One suit with repair, injector, and scanning bonuses for pure logistics. Give them high EHP, assault-level speed, and low combat potential (either an L with damage penalty or possibly an S/S weapon layout) One suit with more deployable-focused bonuses and L/S/3E layout. They would be lower speed like the current logi is and be more focused on creating and defending support points. Give them an uplink, nanohive, and injector bonus. I would call one of them a medic suit and the other a logistics suit, or something like that. Essentially give every race a min logi and an amarr logi. Yes the bonuses wouldn't be so distinct like they are for other races but that shouldn't hold back better role definition. Plus I think racial suits should be more focused on tanking style and less focused on specific role types. But hey... my opinion is rarely popular on these forums so v0v. The logistics suit should be a light suit with 2 eq slots and vehicle transport bonuses. The medic should be what the current logi is. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1377	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:05:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults. I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none. In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad. So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts. So Amarr And CAl would have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault counter parts. The Min And Gal -0.20. I dont mean JUST SPRNT speed. They need, more than sprint speed, more Strafe and Movement speed. Another thing. A speed buff wouldnt make Logis OP, nor SLAYER logis. Consider: Assaults ALREADY have a LOT more EHP. They are ALREADY faster , and have better shield regen and armor regen values. WHILE, Having the same (n most cases) amount of slots. Discuss. Actually the Min logistics specifically says its exoskeleton makes carrying any amount of equipment effortless. So,speed reductions based on equipment is a no-go (for Min at least). This should be reason enough for Min logistics to be equal with basics in speed,yet they are slower for some odd reason. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1377	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:08:00 - [30] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: With respecs and the hella buffed scouts and assault suits. I can't imagine we'll ever see the return of the slayer logi. It would take some seriously massive buffs to make the slayer logi viable again. With that in mind... pretty much anything to make logi worth running is a plus in my book. Of course there are so many purests who think Logi's shouldn't ever get a kill that you'll make some no headway on that front. It would be better imo to split the logi class and create two more well defined roles. One suit with repair, injector, and scanning bonuses for pure logistics. Give them high EHP, assault-level speed, and low combat potential (either an L with damage penalty or possibly an S/S weapon layout) One suit with more deployable-focused bonuses and L/S/3E layout. They would be lower speed like the current logi is and be more focused on creating and defending support points. Give them an uplink, nanohive, and injector bonus. I would call one of them a medic suit and the other a logistics suit, or something like that. Essentially give every race a min logi and an amarr logi. Yes the bonuses wouldn't be so distinct like they are for other races but that shouldn't hold back better role definition. Plus I think racial suits should be more focused on tanking style and less focused on specific role types. But hey... my opinion is rarely popular on these forums so v0v. +1 This sounds pretty good. Then again...i might just be saying that because i'm good with sidearms. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.



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