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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:43:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here? That assaults HAve High HP , High regen and High speed while logis have none. They have equipments but not enough Of the attributes i mentioned in order to effectively survive. My logi runs at 110ish shields and 500Armor...at proto level. Runs at 6.5 sprt speed. Even if i DO use kin cats on it and sacrifice the little HP i have, Whiel walking (repairing) a sentinel im still slow as f***. Want to rep use a min logi. I do and can keep up with any heavy. Again, what's the problem? |
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4915
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:44:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here?
It's an Amarr suit, genius. It's supposed to be armor tanked. It also has terrible BASE speed.
We're not talking about brick tanking a Cal scout here, putting armor on it is the correct way to fit the suit.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:44:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote: Want to rep use a min logi. I do and can keep up with any heavy. Again, what's the problem?
The problem?
Its minmatar
All logis should be able to fulfill their duty as support, not just the minmatar.
Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game RUST415
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:46:00 -
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my logi has approx 600 ehp with 7.9 sprint.
fast enough for the task of uplink dropper, getting ammo to players that need it then getting the hell out of there, getting to a friendly trapped with no ehp and repairing him before bugging out, stabbing the cold dead corpse of some unlucky player then running for my life.
alternatively i have a 900 ehp 6 sprint logi who is designed to sit in a building and repair/supply players in situ.
apex suits have shown me that to make the most out of the logi you need to be either fast or tanked. you cant have both and either 1 has its own unique areas of expertise
i would say though they could do with much higher stamina stat
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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:46:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here? It's an Amarr suit, genius. It's supposed to be armor tanked. It also has terrible BASE speed.We're not talking about brick tanking a Cal scout here, putting armor on it is the correct way to fit the suit. It's an amarr genius it's gunna be slow. Wow, some people. So what you want is an armor tanked logi that runs like the wind. Lol to you sir. |
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4915
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:50:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here? It's an Amarr suit, genius. It's supposed to be armor tanked. It also has terrible BASE speed.We're not talking about brick tanking a Cal scout here, putting armor on it is the correct way to fit the suit. It's an amarr genius it's gunna be slow. Wow, some people. So what you want is an armor tanked logi that runs like the wind. Lol to you sir.
*facepalm*
What I want is a medium frame that moves like (wait for it)... a medium frame.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:56:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here? It's an Amarr suit, genius. It's supposed to be armor tanked. It also has terrible BASE speed.We're not talking about brick tanking a Cal scout here, putting armor on it is the correct way to fit the suit. It's an amarr genius it's gunna be slow. Wow, some people. So what you want is an armor tanked logi that runs like the wind. Lol to you sir. *facepalm* What I want is a medium frame that moves like (wait for it)... a medium frame. Using your logic then I want a speed buff to my amarr sentinel because all heavies should run the same speed. You chose to be an amarr logi knowing it was the slowest. And as far as armor tanking being the correct way of fitting it, if it doesn't work how is it correct, all those low slots I know you could put some red and green bottles in there and sacrifice some armor. Oh wait, you want your cake and eat it too. If logis need super high ehp, why were there so many highly effective scout logis? |
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:17:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:my logi has approx 600 ehp with 7.9 sprint.
fast enough for the task of uplink dropper, getting ammo to players that need it then getting the hell out of there, getting to a friendly trapped with no ehp and repairing him before bugging out, stabbing the cold dead corpse of some unlucky player then running for my life.
alternatively i have a 900 ehp 6 sprint logi who is designed to sit in a building and repair/supply players in situ.
apex suits have shown me that to make the most out of the logi you need to be either fast or tanked. you cant have both and either 1 has its own unique areas of expertise
i would say though they could do with much higher stamina stat
1-To tank a logi like hat menans you dont use proto equipment 2-High sprint speed is not necessarily what i mean. I mean a speed buff ALL around.
Anyone against this idea is OBVIOUSLY not a full time Logi.
HAVING a logi =/= Full time logi
(im NOT a full time logi either, but im not against the idea of buffing them....AND the commandos XD)
Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.12.12 16:17:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote: Using your logic then I want a speed buff to my amarr sentinel because all heavies should run the same speed. You chose to be an amarr logi knowing it was the slowest. And as far as armor tanking being the correct way of fitting it, if it doesn't work how is it correct, all those low slots I know you could put some red and green bottles in there and sacrifice some armor. Oh wait, you want your cake and eat it too. If logis need super high ehp, why were there so many highly effective scout logis?
Holy crap, dude. You seriously don't understand what we are talking about here.
I expect to be the slowest logi suit. All of the logi suits could use a speed buff. I don't see why I should be significantly slower than the assault suit of the same race.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1708
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:my logi has approx 600 ehp with 7.9 sprint.
fast enough for the task of uplink dropper, getting ammo to players that need it then getting the hell out of there, getting to a friendly trapped with no ehp and repairing him before bugging out, stabbing the cold dead corpse of some unlucky player then running for my life.
alternatively i have a 900 ehp 6 sprint logi who is designed to sit in a building and repair/supply players in situ.
apex suits have shown me that to make the most out of the logi you need to be either fast or tanked. you cant have both and either 1 has its own unique areas of expertise
i would say though they could do with much higher stamina stat 1-To tank a logi like hat menans you dont use proto equipment 2-High sprint speed is not necessarily what i mean. I mean a speed buff ALL around. Anyone against this idea is OBVIOUSLY not a full time Logi. HAVING a logi =/= Full time logi(im NOT a full time logi either, but im not against the idea of buffing them....AND the commandos XD)
I do not use a proto weapon or grenade ever. that's not my job as for the rest I do. I try not to do every role in one class. If I'm a logi I try to avoid killing leaving that as a last resort. I'm not against a speed buff. I'm just worried that it might come at a cost
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:43:00 -
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Quote:ADAM-OF-EVE:
1-To tank a logi like hat menans you dont use proto equipment 2-High sprint speed is not necessarily what i mean. I mean a speed buff ALL around.
Anyone against this idea is OBVIOUSLY not a full time Logi.
HAVING a logi =/= Full time logi
(im NOT a full time logi either, but im not against the idea of buffing them....AND the commandos XD)
I do not use a proto weapon or grenade ever. that's not my job as for the rest I do. I try not to do every role in one class. If I'm a logi I try to avoid killing leaving that as a last resort. I'm not against a speed buff. I'm just worried that it might come at a cost
I said proto Equipment.
Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
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Tyjus Vacca
The United Socialist Liberation Front
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:07:00 -
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no brainer, low health, needs to get around battlefield. always should have been the 2nd fastest suit in the game.
sniper changes !!? O_o
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1913 DfLo
ScReWeD uP InC
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:25:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:no brainer, low health, needs to get around battlefield. always should have been the 2nd fastest suit in the game.
This guy understands
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Robocop Junior
research lab
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:27:00 -
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Waiting for the day my real logi is more effective than my scout logi.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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1913 DfLo
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:38:00 -
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No Dev input yet but for strong boxes there was input. Hmmm.......
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game RUST415
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Quote:ADAM-OF-EVE:
I do not use a proto weapon or grenade ever. that's not my job as for the rest I do. I try not to do every role in one class. If I'm a logi I try to avoid killing leaving that as a last resort. I'm not against a speed buff. I'm just worried that it might come at a cost I said proto Equipment.
Yes I know what you meant but what I meant is by fitting a standard weapon and grenade or no grenade I can. Like I said when I'm a logi I'm not there to kill so the weapon and grenade is irrelevant and affords me room in my fitting for more proto equipment.
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robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:57:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote: Using your logic then I want a speed buff to my amarr sentinel because all heavies should run the same speed. You chose to be an amarr logi knowing it was the slowest. And as far as armor tanking being the correct way of fitting it, if it doesn't work how is it correct, all those low slots I know you could put some red and green bottles in there and sacrifice some armor. Oh wait, you want your cake and eat it too. If logis need super high ehp, why were there so many highly effective scout logis?
Holy crap, dude. You seriously don't understand what we are talking about here. I expect to be the slowest logi suit. All of the logi suits could use a speed buff. I don't see why I should be significantly slower than the assault suit of the same race. I think the speed on logis are fine. I believe it should be a little slower than an assault. That's my opinion. I'm entitled to it and you're entitled to yours. Are we done here or are you planning on continuing to be a d!(k about it? |
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:06:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:If you want a faster logi stop armor tanking the darn thing. It's slow because you made it that way. You want heavy armor you're gunna be slow, you want to be fast you're gunna have low hp. What's the problem here? That assaults HAve High HP , High regen and High speed while logis have none. They have equipments but not enough Of the attributes i mentioned in order to effectively survive. My logi runs at 110ish shields and 500Armor...at proto level. Runs at 6.5 sprt speed. Even if i DO use kin cats on it and sacrifice the little HP i have, Whiel walking (repairing) a sentinel im still slow as f***.
I'm not sure why that is, I have a logi fit with nearly the same eHP and I walk as fast as a logi runs. |
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:34:00 -
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8/10, but would read again for its fine portrayal of individuals divorced from reality.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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Robocop Junior
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:36:00 -
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Simply not enough logis to make enough noise like the scouts did. KC isn't even a full time logi and he had to bring this up, so sad :(
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:39:00 -
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Ok, so first of all, glad to see some new faces around here since I left around a month ago (partly because of lack of logi love.) But really... if you have only been here a month quit commenting on things you know little about. Ive heard people talking about removing the amarr sidearm again. Really? We fought so hard a few months ago to keep it. If you would rather a 4th eq slot over a sidearm, maybe pick a suit that already has it?
Secondly, as a beta logi, I can tell you all that the logi has needed a speed buff for quite some time, even before the assault/scout/heavy buffs.. logis havent been good since slayer logi days (which was only ever the Ck.0 anyways.) Minmatar is literally the only viable logi at the moment simply because of its speed and an actual logi bonus... I have both amarr and gal logis maxxed, and I refuse to play until they get a buff (to both speed and bonus because they are both about worthless atm.) The way it has looked for the past few months, I will most likely never play again. Which is kind of saddening because the game itself appears to be taking strides.
Slight base speed increase for ALL logis, and a needle/rep bonus for ALL logis with a secondary emphasis on their respective eq mod (like it is now.) But there is a thread just like this in the suggestions subforum -- and its been there for months now. Still no love for logis..
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:56:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:So. Thats pretty much it. Logis are WAY too slow (except the Minnie) and have LESS EHP than assaults.
I do understand the fact they have the Bandwith advantage and Equipment slots , but you even have EHP or have Speed or Damp (low scan profile), and logis have none.
In order to be a good support unit, you need to stick BY your squad.
So i propose that Logis just have -0.05 speed PER EQUIPMENT SLOT compared to their Assault Counter parts.
So Amarr And CAl would have -0.15 speed compared to their Assault counter parts. The Min And Gal -0.20.
I dont mean JUST SPRNT speed. They need, more than sprint speed, more Strafe and Movement speed.
Another thing. A speed buff wouldnt make Logis OP, nor SLAYER logis.
Consider: Assaults ALREADY have a LOT more EHP. They are ALREADY faster , and have better shield regen and armor regen values. WHILE, Having the same (n most cases) amount of slots.
Discuss.
Agreed.
Logi have less HP than assault (normal) Logi are slower than assault, but not as much as now. Buff them a bit
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:57:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Quote:ADAM-OF-EVE:
I do not use a proto weapon or grenade ever. that's not my job as for the rest I do. I try not to do every role in one class. If I'm a logi I try to avoid killing leaving that as a last resort. I'm not against a speed buff. I'm just worried that it might come at a cost I said proto Equipment. Yes I know what you meant but what I meant is by fitting a standard weapon and grenade or no grenade I can. Like I said when I'm a logi I'm not there to kill so the weapon and grenade is irrelevant and affords me room in my fitting for more proto equipment.
You might not be here to KILL, you do not SEARCH for battle. But what do you do if you are caught alone? Just die?
You still need the means to defend yourself and win.
All classes do.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:06:00 -
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We have a 55(!) page thread in feedback thats been going since August(!) about this and other things related to Logis/Support play. No blue tag yet. 2 patches and 4 hotfixes, all of which affect the class, but no institution of ANY proposal from there.
Said thread is full of dedicated scout input too, making sure they can stay dominant in stats overall and that Logis (or anyone else) never have the basestats to really pose any sort of problem.
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