DUST Search - [Idea] Flatten Suit Slot Progression

RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:

Spectral Clone wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Flyingconejo wrote:

It's a good starting idea for tiericide, the problem is that it is no longer a thing. The tiericide goal was scrapped a few months ago.

Tiericide would reduce the usefulness and need of things like, for example, APEX suits, BPOs, LP items, Boosters, etc....

If Tiericide was still a goal, you would see less and less of those things being introduced to the market. Instead, you can see how the opposite is happening.

For better or worse, tiericide is no longer in CCP plans. Quite the opposite.

This method of tiericide would increase the amount of slots in the STD BPOs, which would make them much more valuble than they are at the moment.

I would be much more likely to spend 20k AUR on a suit with a 4/4 layout than a 2/2 layout.

It will indeed be a buff to BPOs, and APEX suit will still be "better" for ISK efficiency, since you cant buy STD BPO modules to plug into a regular BPO suit, and the suit comes pre-fit with such modules.

Not really. Militia and standard modules only vary in PG/cpu usage. Their effectiveness is still the same.

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Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3482	Posted - 2015.04.11 16:31:00 - [61] - Quote Sotp necr0ing my thr3adzzzzzzz!!!1 :) EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2988	Posted - 2015.04.11 16:38:00 - [62] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: [quote=Alena Ventrallis] You do realize that militia have standard stats with worse fitting right? Yes. You realize that if a max skilled character can't run all militia, that means a new player will definitely not be able to run all militia, which they most likely will have to until they get some SP? You realize that also means that starter suits will be unable to be deployed because they are over their fitting limit? Or that new players will have to immediately skill into fitting skills when they likely will have no idea what those even are? I'm definitely a cheap SOB, I like seeing GêP next to a lot of my fittings. But if I have 70,000,000 SP and can't run all militia, what makes you think someone with 500,000 is going to fare any better than me? The current iteration does nothing but harm new players. At least now they can deploy into battle. If we leave fitting space the same while increasing slot count, new players would have to leave slots empty, which would bring us right back to where we are now. The current fitting space we have was designed around the lower slot count; if we increase slots, we must therefore also increase fitting to accommodate those slots. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4989	Posted - 2015.04.11 16:38:00 - [63] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Sotp necr0ing my thr3adzzzzzzz!!!1 :) "RISE FROM YOUR GWRAVE!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihEhsdwiIk I guess what I'm getting at Alena. Is that it would be better to flatten the slots first and then go from there. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2988	Posted - 2015.04.11 16:43:00 - [64] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Sotp necr0ing my thr3adzzzzzzz!!!1 :) "RISE FROM YOUR GWRAVE!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihEhsdwiIk I guess what I'm getting at Alena. Is that it would be better to flatten the slots first and then go from there. I get your point, but the fitting space we have were designed around the lower slot count. There's some formula CCP has where each slot is worth X CPU and Y PG or something similar. If we increase slots, we should also apply that formula to increase fitting space so we can use those slots. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3162	Posted - 2015.04.11 16:43:00 - [65] - Quote Nothing will ever beat the Type-As from closed beta. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2988	Posted - 2015.04.11 16:45:00 - [66] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Sotp necr0ing my thr3adzzzzzzz!!!1 :) STOP HAVING GOOD IDEAS THEN!!! Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Indianna Pwns Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2015.04.12 02:10:00 - [67] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Atiim wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: It's a good starting idea for tiericide, the problem is that it is no longer a thing. The tiericide goal was scrapped a few months ago. Tiericide would reduce the usefulness and need of things like, for example, APEX suits, BPOs, LP items, Boosters, etc.... If Tiericide was still a goal, you would see less and less of those things being introduced to the market. Instead, you can see how the opposite is happening. For better or worse, tiericide is no longer in CCP plans. Quite the opposite. This method of tiericide would increase the amount of slots in the STD BPOs, which would make them much more valuble than they are at the moment. I would be much more likely to spend 20k AUR on a suit with a 4/4 layout than a 2/2 layout. It will indeed be a buff to BPOs, and APEX suit will still be "better" for ISK efficiency, since you cant buy STD BPO modules to plug into a regular BPO suit, and the suit comes pre-fit with such modules. Not really. Militia and standard modules only vary in PG/cpu usage. Their effectiveness is still the same. This is actually untrue, there are militia modules that are straight up worse than basic modules. Shield regulators come to mind.
Indianna Pwns Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 91	Posted - 2015.04.12 02:34:00 - [68] - Quote With regards to the issue of being unable to fit militia gear due to CPU/PG constraints. Why don't we give them the same CPU/PG requirements as standard gear but make them straight up to downgrades to standard modules. For example militia weapons already have smaller clip sizes, why do they need to be more PG/CPU intensive?
Indianna Pwns Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 91	Posted - 2015.04.12 02:50:00 - [69] - Quote when it comes to the issue of militia dropsuits, I believe currently they have 1 less fitting slot either in their highs or lows than the standard variant. With the new progression flattening proposal in mind I propose giving them the slot layout of advanced tier dropsuits instead of proto. This should help players without skill points invested fit modules easier as the suits have slightly less fitting space.
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2995	Posted - 2015.04.12 17:11:00 - [70] - Quote Indianna Pwns wrote: This is actually untrue, there are militia modules that are straight up worse than basic modules. Shield regulators come to mind. As far as I know, these discrepancies are errors. Militia is supposed to be equivalent to standard, only with higher fitting costs. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor

Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3485	Posted - 2015.04.13 10:02:00 - [71] - Quote Kain added this to the Trello months ago, not sure if Rattati has checked it out. Can unfortunately not play console games any more due to owning a 144 Hz PC screen with g-sync and a PC that rekks all games. Need to save my eyes from getting rekt. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Text Grant PIanet Express Smart Deploy 411	Posted - 2015.04.13 13:23:00 - [72] - Quote +1 After this I'll need a blueprint minmando
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Nevyn Tazinas Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.04.13 20:10:00 - [74] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I get your point, but the fitting space we have were designed around the lower slot count. There's some formula CCP has where each slot is worth X CPU and Y PG or something similar. If we increase slots, we should also apply that formula to increase fitting space so we can use those slots. There are these things called CPU & PG mods, they would see some use this way. Yes this is a Necro'ed thread, but it's still highly valid.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4371	Posted - 2015.04.19 18:28:00 - [75] - Quote Haerr wrote: Yes! Normalise slot layout through out tiers. Do it for the LAVs and Dropships as well. And give LAVs and Dropships inherent armour repair rates just like all the suits and HAVs. Mostly yes, except vehicle reps need to be moved from passive to active in light of the stacked Maddy of eternal hardened reps CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 285	Posted - 2015.04.19 18:40:00 - [76] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: This is actually untrue, there are militia modules that are straight up worse than basic modules. Shield regulators come to mind. As far as I know, these discrepancies are errors. Militia is supposed to be equivalent to standard, only with higher fitting costs. In terms of weapons, Militia generally have smaller clips and reserve ammo sizes compared to standard gear. Purifier. First Class.
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3021	Posted - 2015.04.19 18:41:00 - [77] - Quote Nevyn Tazinas wrote: There are these things called CPU & PG mods, they would see some use this way. And if new players have to fit these mods in order to have the fitting necessary, we are back to square one, since the extra slots will be taken up by the fitting mods. May as well not do it at all if we don't do it right. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3027	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:19:00 - [78] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Haerr wrote: Yes! Normalise slot layout through out tiers. Do it for the LAVs and Dropships as well. And give LAVs and Dropships inherent armour repair rates just like all the suits and HAVs. Mostly yes, except vehicle reps need to be moved from passive to active in light of the stacked Maddy of eternal hardened reps The passive base regen is fine. What we need to do is make the armor rep modules active. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3495	Posted - 2015.05.05 11:04:00 - [79] - Quote \|3++/\/\p EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1195	Posted - 2015.05.05 18:13:00 - [80] - Quote People still talk about this? It ain't gonna happen Who cares what some sniper has to say. **--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles-

Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3496	Posted - 2015.05.08 07:45:00 - [81] - Quote Seems like this is happening now? You can actually re-fit APEX dropsuits? https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/596292007074471937 My work is done here. Now, give me a PC port. Got too much compute power in my PC to even consider bringing out my PS3 from my basement. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok


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