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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:08:00 -
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I think a good idea is to start scratching the surface of tiericide soon.
One direction to start from could be to flatten one dimension of progression in dropsuits to make the power creep in Dust 514 dropsuits less non-linear (exponential) and perhaps go towards a more linear progression.
So, how do we do this? The obvious thing to do is to start normalizing the dropsuit progression in the statistic that has the largest non-linear behaviour: High and low slots.
The suggestion is to normalize low and high slots for a dropsuit to the proto equivalent dropsuit, and to exemplify I have taken my current favorite suit, the Amarr assault.
I will assume that all skills are at level V that corresponds to the modules in the fit. This is a "worst case" analysis.
Assault A-1
3 high slots
5 low slots
CPU: 215.25
PG: 43.31
Example fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/840/10050
Assault A/1-Series
3 high slots
5 low slots
CPU: 322.875
PG: 65.625
Example fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/840/10051
Assault ak.0
3 high slots
5 low slots
CPU: 484.3125
PG: 97.12
Example fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/840/10052
Side by side view: http://i.imgur.com/SQLwsfs.jpg
On top of this, APEX pre-fitted dropsuits have shown us that this is indeed a viable method of progression. A proto dropsuit only capable of only fitting lower tier modules is not significantly more powerful than a current STD suit with complex modules (I leave this to you as a reader to prove or disprove) but it certainly seems like my 'Quafe' Assault A-1 suit is worse than the APEX Assault ak.0.
The intention of this thread is not to discuss if the fit is good according to your taste, it is made to discuss if this is a good change in the sense of relative power reduction between for example: STD vs ADV, STD vs PRO and ADV vs PRO dropsuits.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:13:00 -
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Reserved for further analysis and discussion.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2014.12.09 06:53:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:
my std amarr assault has about 40 hp less than your pro suit fitted with **** mods and has better rep and damage and is allot cheaper
Read OP and stay on topic.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Posted - 2014.12.12 08:15:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flyingconejo wrote:It's a good starting idea for tiericide, the problem is that it is no longer a thing. The tiericide goal was scrapped a few months ago.
Tiericide would reduce the usefulness and need of things like, for example, APEX suits, BPOs, LP items, Boosters, etc....
If Tiericide was still a goal, you would see less and less of those things being introduced to the market. Instead, you can see how the opposite is happening.
For better or worse, tiericide is no longer in CCP plans. Quite the opposite. This method of tiericide would increase the amount of slots in the STD BPOs, which would make them much more valuble than they are at the moment. I would be much more likely to spend 20k AUR on a suit with a 4/4 layout than a 2/2 layout.
It will indeed be a buff to BPOs, and APEX suit will still be better, since you cant buy STD BPO modules to plug into a regular BPO suit, and the suit comes pre-fit with such modules.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Posted - 2014.12.12 08:57:00 -
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So, this is targeted for Next Expansion 1.0 right, Rattati?
Will solve 90% of the player retention problems.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:05:00 -
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Does anyone not think this idea fits dust well, I would love to see some counter arguments. Can't really think of any.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:49:00 -
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Anyone?
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:34:00 -
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Hansei Kaizen wrote:Would it really make a difference to have proto, it it is that marginal? I have never played very competitively but can get decent WP and rank high in pubs. It seems to me proto would be just an extreme waste of money then. Why have them at all?
You cant really max out your fits unless you buy a proto suit. You would in this scenario pay for extra CPU/PG.
Perhaps the ISK cost progression could be tweaked also. As well as a big increase in module cost to still have a similar net cost for a proto suit fit with proto mods.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:31:00 -
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Sotp necr0ing my thr3adzzzzzzz!!!1 :)
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Posted - 2015.04.13 10:02:00 -
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Kain added this to the Trello months ago, not sure if Rattati has checked it out.
Can unfortunately not play console games any more due to owning a 144 Hz PC screen with g-sync and a PC that rekks all games. Need to save my eyes from getting rekt.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Posted - 2015.05.05 11:04:00 -
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|3++/\/\p
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Posted - 2015.05.08 07:45:00 -
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Seems like this is happening now?
You can actually re-fit APEX dropsuits?
https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/596292007074471937
My work is done here.
Now, give me a PC port. Got too much compute power in my PC to even consider bringing out my PS3 from my basement.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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