If it does, it's only because of nonsense, bullshit strafing. High speed plus wiggling like a dancer on speed = hit detection issues.

Kill strafing speed across the board. Everything will be better. Scrubs with "total leet gun game" will cry; everyone else will be happy.

"Stand still while i shoot you boy!"

I'm not sure what you're actually saying throughout your post.

But my point is that strafing in this game is something that negatively impacts upon the experience. Gun game is using your gun effectively (actually managing and handling your weapon's kick and spread, etc) and knowing how to engage (range, cover, etc.)

Strafing takes tactical decisions (is engaging right now a good idea? What cover can I use?) and throws it away because you just wiggle about. You talk of futuristic skills helping you move erratically? Well then there are autolocks that counter and predict your motions; aim assist.

Frankly, aim assist can go away as much as strafing, but wiggling about like wounded Mimic (from Edge of Tomorrow) to evade fire is utter rubbish. Running fast and zigzagging to dodge fire while you reach cover - fair enough; getting shot, turn around and boogie? No thanks.

These are the people that killed the fun of DUST, Killed the High TTK, killed the enjoyable duels that filled your evening in DUST.


The only way any of your bullshit makes sense is if i spend the entire time yelling at myself in my head "MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME"




We are in a futuristic Sci-fi shooter, With High tech dropsuits enhancing the abilities of a natural human. We have a persistent skill system that enables you to increase the abilities of your character. We have modules and items that can be fitted on your suit to increase your abilities.

We are immortal mercenaries with the sole goal of getting better at our profession.


What part of these soldiers is "Bullshit strafing" moving around to negate some incoming fire, Make themselves small hard to hit mobile targets while engaging in fire fights. Run up in enemy faces and engage while never letting the enemy stop moving...

"Stand still while i shoot you boy!"


These things make sense in a scenario where you take a realistic based shooter like Battlefield... then add dropsuits, Modules, Immortal clone soldier, Persistent skill system and you get highly mobile/tanked suits engaging for HOPEFUlLY a LONGER time then Battlefield as both sides have increased abilities to let them have a more intense engagement.


What we have this bullshit Aim assist because of this kinda lame thoughtless reaction instead of CCP spending the time fixing their hit detection system that we have asked for for nearly 2 and a half years... We didnt want a broken aim assist and further development on a broken Hit detection system.

We wanted CCP To develop and support the amazing game concepts that they have made in DUST...Not have amazing concepts With terrible lazy rudimentary game mechanics supporting it.

I would love to see a real war scenario were 2 soldiers are just shooting each oother while moving in circles until one of them finally drops.

I thought the post was painfully clear for the people raised on CoD and Battlefield. Which isn't accurate in anyway either.


If you take a Soldier from today's real life battlefield. Put him in a High tech dropsuit that increases a humans physical ability by 10 fold along with offering shields and regenerative armor... Then give him training that would make him 5x better at certain aspects... And the ability to sprint at 7-10 meters per second....

Then add the fact that the soldier is immortal... And has been through in the battlefield thousands of times getting better with their tools...

Yes you will see futuristic soldiers moving around and engaging in fire fights in non peekaboo hiding behind a wall fashion. They would be jumping off the sides of walls swinging from obstacles... jumping off roofs while firing.. You name it...

Intense next level gunplay and fighting from what a more current based military shooter. offers.. Yes there should be a massive difference, The only reason anyone here thinks that it should be the same as CoD is because that is what they are used to and it comforts them.


Moving targets and strafing mercenaries taking advantage of using speed in a game that allows u to take advantage of it is in NO WAY THE PRObLEM.


CCP's Terrible Net code and Hit detection is the problem and has been since the launch of Uprising.

Get them to fix the actual problem... Not just nerf the same numbers they have tweaked 15 times+

If it strafes it clearly has a broken hit detection but the suit itself doesn't unlike the caldari scout if we wanna bring that, but even that it's not that broken and it's quite nonexistent in CQC.

I agree though that the Minmatar assault is a potential FoTM (and I say potential because there is a pretty good balance over the suits right now):
It's the easiest assault to fit and the most versatile as well.

Armor, Shields, damage modded weapon, speed, damp = you can have all that at once, with not even that much eHP difference from the other assaults.

But Imo this is simply because of its slots layout, the rest doesn't affect its effectiveness as much, not even its bonus.

I'm not sure what you're actually saying throughout your post.

But my point is that strafing in this game is something that negatively impacts upon the experience. Gun game is using your gun effectively (actually managing and handling your weapon's kick and spread, etc) and knowing how to engage (range, cover, etc.)

Strafing takes tactical decisions (is engaging right now a good idea? What cover can I use?) and throws it away because you just wiggle about. You talk of futuristic skills helping you move erratically? Well then there are autolocks that counter and predict your motions; aim assist.

Frankly, aim assist can go away as much as strafing, but wiggling about like wounded Mimic (from Edge of Tomorrow) to evade fire is utter rubbish. Running fast and zigzagging to dodge fire while you reach cover - fair enough; getting shot, turn around and boogie? No thanks.

If it does, it's only because of nonsense, bullshit strafing. High speed plus wiggling like a dancer on speed = hit detection issues.

Kill strafing speed across the board. Everything will be better. Scrubs with "total leet gun game" will cry; everyone else will be happy.

Everyone? I don't think so, maybe only the low skilled players.
I don't really see what's the problem with strafing when you have that ******* AA and 0 recoil weapons, is your aim really that bad? Do you by any chance have the parkinson?

The Minmatar Assault suit, clearly has a broken hit box.
It's the newest FoTM suit.

How about we try to fix it before it takes over the game?

Too early to nominate for "Troll post of the month"?

Yes you will see futuristic soldiers moving around and engaging in fire fights in non peekaboo hiding behind a wall fashion. They would be jumping off the sides of walls swinging from obstacles... jumping off roofs while firing.. You name it...

Intense next level gunplay and fighting from what a more current based military shooter. offers.. Yes there should be a massive difference, The only reason anyone here thinks that it should be the same as CoD is because that is what they are used to and it comforts them.

Don't you mean the people with the highest EHP will be happy? So much for those speed fits, brick tank all the things!

On Valor's note though, get rid of aim assist and this wouldn't be all that bad.

Edit: Weapons with actual recoil would be nice too.

You clearly don't know 8213.

You think it's a troll post, but he's dead serious.

I can definitely agree that aim assist should go away too.

But you seem to think I want EHP dominance: I run a speed fit MinAssault and I would be so much happier without the dancing. Speed tanking is so much more than wiggle-strafing, it's about rapid bursts of movement to dislodge their aim and to move from position to position faster than the enemy can respond. Speed tanking is not dancing on the spot.

What becomes the point in Ferroscale plates if you nerf strafe speed into the ground though? I can easily put two complex plates on a min assault, two complex kincats, and still have a good bit of speed. There are times when jumping from cover to cover just doesn't work, and when half your slots are devoted to kincats and you get caught of guard, the only hope you have is to strafe generally (At least currently with aim assist) There's just not enough HP in the pool to react, turn towards the target, and out shoot them. There's a reason currently to keep those plates off the suits or use ferroscale, nerf strafe speed too far and you destroy the reason to use those things.

Though again, getting rid of aim assist would make a nerf to strafe speed easily bearable, but I still feel as if it would damage someone's reasons to use modules that don't slow down the suits movement speed.

What becomes the point in Ferroscale plates if you nerf strafe speed into the ground though? I can easily put two complex plates on a min assault, two complex kincats, and still have a good bit of speed. There are times when jumping from cover to cover just doesn't work, and when half your slots are devoted to kincats and you get caught of guard, the only hope you have is to strafe generally (At least currently with aim assist) There's just not enough HP in the pool to react, turn towards the target, and out shoot them. There's a reason currently to keep those plates off the suits or use ferroscale, nerf strafe speed too far and you destroy the reason to use those things.

Though again, getting rid of aim assist would make a nerf to strafe speed easily bearable, but I still feel as if it would damage someone's reasons to use modules that don't slow down the suits movement speed.

To me strafe is speed and aim assist should be both toned down, add to armour plates a profile penalty to keep ferros interesting, about strafing being the only way to survive when caught unguard to turn around and shoot the guy, I think that is the main problem with strafe speed. You made a mistake or your enemy outsmarted you YOU SHOULD DIE. Only heavies should be able to have a chance of winning the engagement when attacked from behind.
When you're surprised, take cover or die, that's what it should be and not circle around the same point so that your enemy has to reload before killing you.

The Minmatar Assault suit, clearly has a broken hit box.
It's the newest FoTM suit.

How about we try to fix it before it takes over the game?