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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out.

I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT.

Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely.

P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck.

I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did.

all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now.

PC everyone uses forge so it is a bit easier than when everyone uses swarms like in pubs. Also-pilots in PC lose about 2-3 ships in which you can still make a profit but In pubs you can't afford to lose one if you want to profit.

Swarms>FG.

if you don't have isk then maybe ADS might not be for you. try a BPO scout.

Yeah, but ISK shouldn't be a barrier in this game for a role be it Dropsuit, Vehicle or whatever.

Vehicles should not be a present for those with SP and ISK to spare. They need to be accessible to lower SP and ISK pilot as well, which is almost impossible right now.

That's because the base frame (The ADS itself) is around 200k by itself IIRC.

They need to reduce the price of the base ADS and increase the ISK price of the modules incrementally. This allows lower SP and ISK players to run ships that can crash and learn while not bleeding themselves dry.

Also: It allows tankers/ads pilots to make "Cheap fits" like we infantry do. Let them have their super expensive flying death machines if they want, but also give the lower tiered pilots something to work with.

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DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15310	Posted - 2014.12.01 06:35:00 - [31] - Quote Ill be doing a lot more field testing when my ps3 comes home, but pubs are generally a lot harder than PCs. Why? Because in PC, most focus is on infantry holding points, with just a few dedicated AV entrenched in key points, and you have a whole team on comms to help kill or surpress them. In pubs, its a total crap shoot, and you could easily have 5 to 7 advanced to proto AV scattered around the map, with some of them even being in squads. Generally speaking, if going against skilled, proto AV, Python is your only option. Incubus is no longer an AV specialist, and is hardly even marginally better than Python at AV, yet is leagues worse in terms of survivability. I also find it funny how people will say of you don't have the ISK, don't fly, yet the same people will happily tell you that ISK shouldn't be a balancing factor. Forum logic 101, hard at work Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2020	Posted - 2014.12.01 06:39:00 - [32] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Yeah, but ISK shouldn't be a barrier in this game for a role, be it Dropsuit, Vehicle or whatever. Vehicles should not be a present for those with SP and ISK to spare. They need to be accessible to lower SP and ISK pilot as well, which is almost impossible right now. That's because the base frame (The ADS itself) is around 200k by itself IIRC. They need to reduce the price of the base ADS and increase the ISK price of the modules incrementally. This allows lower SP and ISK players to run ships that can crash and learn while not bleeding themselves dry. Also: It allows tankers/ads pilots to make "Cheap fits" like we infantry do. Let them have their super expensive flying death machines if they want, but also give the lower tiered pilots something to work with. so why don't CCP add a mlt ADS to the market and have it cost 100k isk. there is mlt tanks why not mlt ADS to let some of these guys who complain about AV learn how to fly. Why are you asking me? i was under the impression that FA could magically speak directly to CCP about stuff somehow. KEQ diplomat/ lolromansboat cost more then your whole village
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1379	Posted - 2014.12.01 07:24:00 - [33] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out. I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT. Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely. P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck. I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did. all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now. PC everyone uses forge so it is a bit easier than when everyone uses swarms like in pubs. Also-pilots in PC lose about 2-3 ships in which you can still make a profit but In pubs you can't afford to lose one if you want to profit. Swarms>FG. if you don't have isk then maybe ADS might not be for you. try a BPO scout. Yeah, but ISK shouldn't be a barrier in this game for a role be it Dropsuit, Vehicle or whatever. Vehicles should not be a present for those with SP and ISK to spare. They need to be accessible to lower SP and ISK pilot as well, which is almost impossible right now. That's because the base frame (The ADS itself) is around 200k by itself IIRC. They need to reduce the price of the base ADS and increase the ISK price of the modules incrementally. This allows lower SP and ISK players to run ships that can crash and learn while not bleeding themselves dry. Also: It allows tankers/ads pilots to make "Cheap fits" like we infantry do. Let them have their super expensive flying death machines if they want, but also give the lower tiered pilots something to work with. they were easy mode and very accessible to low sp in 1.8 and look where that got us... now we have a fuctarded AV weapon they couldn't back code correctly to not exploit itself thru the terrain.. the boys club is over for now that's all the lolpilot community is during easy mode.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1379	Posted - 2014.12.01 07:36:00 - [34] - Quote Quote: so why don't CCP add a mlt ADS to the market and have it cost 100k isk. there is mlt tanks why not mlt ADS to let some of these guys who complain about AV learn how to fly. if he wants to fly an ADS so bad he can spend the beginning sp on ADS.. there's enough to skill into ADS after playing 2 matches. i know because i've done it before on an alt. the whole reason they buffed the fgt and his swarm launcher is because everyone was crying about the amount of ADS spam the last hotfix. should i have an MLT light suit with a cloak just because the higher SP character with the proper SP has a cloak i should also have one without spending the SP my reason being because i want to learn to use a cloak? the most disgusting thing about the self proclaimed pilot community is their sense of entitlement. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 2013	Posted - 2014.12.01 07:44:00 - [35] - Quote If you are stacking HP and have a hardener then av is manageable, its the pilots who fit for gunners that got hit the hardest. I use to be able to support my shock troops and be their life line if they encountered an overwhelming force, now as soon as a swarm is fired I have to leave them. Shame really... Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2214	Posted - 2014.12.01 08:03:00 - [36] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out. I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT. Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely. P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck. I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did. all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now. bad AND low SP pilots suffer. even with minmando and swarms there have been some ADS pilots (in pythons with 80% resist) who shrug off 2 to 3 people swarming them and systematically killing each of us.. it is all abotu having maxed SP in the role you are playing and the experance to make use of it.. but no only this but also a "pilot" like suit fit for passive scanning range/presission so you can scan infantry at 100m and below and see/kill all people. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 471	Posted - 2014.12.01 08:31:00 - [37] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: Quote: so why don't CCP add a mlt ADS to the market and have it cost 100k isk. there is mlt tanks why not mlt ADS to let some of these guys who complain about AV learn how to fly. if he wants to fly an ADS so bad he can spend the beginning sp on ADS.. there's enough to skill into ADS after playing 2 matches. i know because i've done it before on an alt. the whole reason they buffed the fgt and his swarm launcher is because everyone was crying about the amount of ADS spam the last hotfix. should i have an MLT light suit with a cloak just because the higher SP character with the proper SP has a cloak i should also have one without spending the SP my reason being because i want to learn to use a cloak? the most disgusting thing about the self proclaimed pilot community is their sense of entitlement. Well you did get the AV crying part right. So, hows your ADS alt doing? Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4856	Posted - 2014.12.01 09:00:00 - [38] - Quote See, the thing about swarms and ADS balance is that if you have an AB and are able to get away each time, your ship is OP, but if Swarms are able to catch up, the Swarms are OP. Swarms and/or ADS must be balanced around one thing, and considering whether the ship has an AB or not. As you can see, it can be a very difficult thing. One might say, increase health of ADS, but then another night argue that the ADS would require one pilot to kill various folk, while various AV are required to kill one pilot. There are various things going on at play. Hell, even In not sure how to balance them at the moment.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 433	Posted - 2014.12.01 13:11:00 - [39] - Quote [/quote] You guys have a role - you're just not pub stompers anymore.[/quote]
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5352	Posted - 2014.12.01 14:27:00 - [40] - Quote I picked it up, but I'm having hell. It costs me about 500K per kill I'd guesstimate. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 477	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:23:00 - [41] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I picked it up, but I'm having hell. It costs me about 500K per kill I'd guesstimate. It always hurts in the beginning. My survival tips: Uplinks first. Every spawn point is a potentional swarmer/forge gun looking right at you. The troops can't hurt you too badly so they rank low on the threat list. Any dropship heading for a high point to droplinks is priotiry number 1. Installations are leathal! Bewary of large rails. On maps where rails have easy line of sight of the objective, keep altitude or make sure they don't have line of sight of where you are flying. Afterburn/ Proto modules Never wait for a second AV salvo. No matter what as soon as you take one hit GTFO. Only after you are hit will you be able to gauge the strength of Av and decide you can give engaging them a shot. Swarms are balanced to kill tanks, and you are no tank. Fit complex hp modules wherever possible. Make long diving passes Odds are, you will bill killed by AV if you stick around them. Make a pass from a long way, you can probably pick off a medium suit or some hives on a decnet pass, forget the heavies and never try it vs min commandos. Read the situation: Dropships are not good in ever match at all times. The tougher it is for the blueberries, the more available the red are for switching to AV with repercussion.On the ohter hand when the reds are focused on Anti infantry, a ADS may relieve some presure on the blues. Just go back to killing uplinks before troops. Everybody wants revenge and for every trooper you kill odds are they will respawn in AV. Make sure they don't repspawn right next to you. Hope it helps. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2349	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:12:00 - [42] - Quote the primary target of ADS is rooftop uplinks. everything else is secondary (except for placing your own rooftop uplinks) people just dont understand its role. Its an absolute must in PC and a good pilot os oftin key to victory in high level play. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2411	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:22:00 - [43] - Quote SirSnugglz I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 974	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:23:00 - [44] - Quote Dergle wrote: Me. You're pretty good... In pubs. Saw you yesterday, landed two consecutive hits with PLC, one more hit, boom! Gunner got me... Quafe Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1145	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:39:00 - [45] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Dergle wrote: Me. You're pretty good... In pubs. This. Last couple times I saw this guy in PC he did absolutely nothing as I sent his ADS into flames many times over.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2411	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:44:00 - [46] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out. I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT. Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely. P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck. I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did. Single ship, tank on the ground. Their tank protecting the redline from the big bad wolf would've been in check, and at least that couldn't've been able to destroy you. If after next month, CCP really delivers on vehicles and can improve the ADS, I'm gonna go 100% pilot. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15333	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:46:00 - [47] - Quote I already went 100% pilot lol. Im pretty low SP for closed beta at only 38 million, but every last point is in vehicles now. I officially have less infantry SP than a day 1 player, and that makes me VERY happy :D Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Valor Goat 2	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:47:00 - [48] - Quote Sir snugglz or however it's spelled doesn't miss a shot. 1EE7
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 917	Posted - 2014.12.01 17:01:00 - [49] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Sir snugglz or however it's spelled doesn't miss a shot. I miss lotz, what you talking about. Anyway, I have to agree. I lose about 2-3 ADS per PC match. I no longer can solo AV. The thing about PC is that it can go 1 of 3 ways. First, Enemy team will have AV, Anti-ADS ADS, and/or rammer DS while your team ignores them having you completely shut down.. Second, same as above but you will have your team help buy forging counter ADS/DS and killing their AV allowing you to do things like clear uplinks or support attacking/defending objectives. And lastly (ADS Dream), Enemy has no AV what-so-ever allowing you to reign fire from the sky as always. It seems ADS pilots now require just as much assistance from their infantry/vehicles as they need yours. Which seems fair. Now I require to coordinate with my tanks to kill enemy tanks (no longer solo). I require to coordinate with Forges to dodge enemy ADS/Rammers. I require to coordinate with infantry to kill swarmers in order for me to assist objectives and come closer to the ground. If the enemy wants to kill me, they must use 2-3 guys in swarms/forges which means thats 2-3 guys less my infantry need to worry about. I need to fly away and even though I am doing nothing, the fact that i made 2-3 guys switch to AV means that for a while, thats 2-3 guys that also will not be doing anything because I disengaged. I wait until AV switch back to infantry and then I return. The reason pubs may seem harder is because you cant coordinate with your infantry/vehicles. Only your squad. So its a hit/miss with getting help against enemy AV. You have to play smarter, need to have a fast reaction time with your active modules... basically you have a split second to decide if you will live or die. But it is possible to still be viable. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 37	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:59:00 - [50] - Quote From the ground, and of course from the cockpit, I've seen swarms do some crazy stuff to find their mark. I feel like nerfing their turning ability could be making them more effective... For instance, if I fly down over an embankment to use the ground as cover, those swarms fired from the ground should arc in immediately and hit dirt if I'm down the hill from them. Now that they turn slower, they clear the ground cover and hit home. My instinct in trying to lose swarms is to visualize them turning immediately to head straight for me, so I try to cut the angle using a building, embankment, etc...but their slow lazy turns let them arc around the obstacle. Now what would be REALLY cool is if you could pull a Red October with rooftop swarmers. Fly in, let them fire away and then AB into a loop that brings you up, over, and back down toward the roof, and turning last second to bring their own missiles back down up them. "You arrogant ass...you've killed us!!!" Can it be done? Can you even damage yourself with swarms you've launched? Look! Up in the sky!! It's a bird...it's a plane...it's...

Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:31:00 - [51] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ...I also find it funny how people will say of you don't have the ISK, don't fly, yet the same people will happily tell you that ISK shouldn't be a balancing factor. Forum logic 101, hard at work That is a fallacy as you are saying that something is such, so that is the way it should be. Essentially the implication of your statement is, "Because ISK is a balancing factor, it should be a balancing factor." If this is not what you meant, you should try to clarify more. It is simple logic to see why people say this. If you don't have ISK, then why waste what little you have for little to no return. An ADS is like a sports car in this way. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.
Dergle Fatal Absolution 55	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:31:00 - [52] - Quote Dust User wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Dergle wrote: Me. You're pretty good... In pubs. This. Last couple times I saw this guy in PC he did absolutely nothing as I sent his ADS into flames many times over. Last time I saw you on the other side, y'all had 4 people on constant AV. If I remember correctly we won the match... Probably had something to do with how much AV you guys were fielding Dipped in Sauce
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2634	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:38:00 - [53] - Quote I do. Perhaps I have to recall every now and again because of too much AV (or a single swarmer), but I've still been able to turn the tides of battles. Destroying links up high, placing my own, killing/chasing off vehicles (thought it's pretty tough now), forcing half of the enemy team into AV suits or just chasing off enemies with the sight of my shiny white death machine. Even in PC I usually do well, losing only about 2-3 ADSs conservatively (mainly due to my own mistakes or misjudgments). I like PC better because I can order hits on targets much easier ("Hey [forge gunner], there's an Incubus on my tail, bringing him to you now" or, "I need someone to hop in my dropship to drop onto a forge gunner on the tower." Etc.) There are just a few things I want changed then I think ADSs will be in a good spot. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 919	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:48:00 - [54] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: SirSnugglz What? -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1149	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:48:00 - [55] - Quote Dergle wrote: Dust User wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Dergle wrote: Me. You're pretty good... In pubs. This. Last couple times I saw this guy in PC he did absolutely nothing as I sent his ADS into flames many times over. Last time I saw you on the other side, y'all had 4 people on constant AV. If I remember correctly we won the match... Probably had something to do with how much AV you guys were fielding lol That was Viktor and myself. It may have seemed like 4 but it was only 2. You might want to take some Ginkgo Biloba if you remember winning that match. https://twitter.com/DUSTAlerts/status/537476353981812737
Jammeh McJam F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. Smart Deploy 135	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:49:00 - [56] - Quote tbh i think swarms and the ADS need to be returned to how they were pre 1.9. either that or give ADS counter measures, swarms shouldn't be unavoidable, otherwise an ADS pilot needs extreme skill to survive and the swarmer hardly has to aim. "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
Dergle Fatal Absolution 55	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:54:00 - [57] - Quote Dust User wrote: Dergle wrote: Dust User wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Dergle wrote: Me. You're pretty good... In pubs. This. Last couple times I saw this guy in PC he did absolutely nothing as I sent his ADS into flames many times over. Last time I saw you on the other side, y'all had 4 people on constant AV. If I remember correctly we won the match... Probably had something to do with how much AV you guys were fielding lol That was Viktor and myself. It may have seemed like 4 but it was only 2. You might want to take some Ginkgo Biloba if you remember winning that match. https://twitter.com/DUSTAlerts/status/537476353981812737 Assuming you 2 were Forging, you had a swarmer and I think your ADS kept switching from missile to rails. My priority is to destroy uplinks, so I do my best to avoid AV and kill the links. Because as stated by many other pilots, 1v1ing AV isn't a good idea. Dipped in Sauce
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 3105	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:58:00 - [58] - Quote I can't do any good. I really suck. God and Empress kill me, I'm a level three forum warrior.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17911	Posted - 2014.12.01 19:58:00 - [59] - Quote As a terrible pilot I have been removed from god hood. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 275	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:39:00 - [60] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: tbh i think swarms and the ADS need to be returned to how they were pre 1.9. either that or give ADS counter measures, swarms shouldn't be unavoidable, otherwise an ADS pilot needs extreme skill to survive and the swarmer hardly has to aim. LOL



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