I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out.

I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT.


Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely.


P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck.

I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did.

all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now.

all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now.

Lions-Fan

Apocalyptic Destroyer

Vooblylol

Parthok

Pro Tanker

White-Lion

I would say Derrith but I haven't seen him in awhile.


So, pretty much the same list as before.

All the swarm buff did was widen the gap between the good pilots and the bad ones.

PS: AB is so 1.8.

AB is 1.8, death is 1.9?

Lions-Fan

Apocalyptic Destroyer

Vooblylol

Parthok

Pro Tanker

White-Lion

I would say Derrith but I haven't seen him in awhile.


So, pretty much the same list as before.

All the swarm buff did was widen the gap between the good pilots and the bad ones.

PS: AB is so 1.8.

Derriths PS3 is fried I heard. I miss the dude

Must have overheated due to all them Panty Droppers streaming through it.

all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now.

All you have to do it get a buddy to gun for you and drop in at the AV target to kill. It isn't something you can expect pubs to do though if you kill him 1-2 times he won't even come after you again. Though he may try to ram you with a ds.

This "if you don't do well with vehicles it automatically means you just suck" mentality is such a trademark of being dense.

How is it possible for people to forget that so many of DUST's features are tiered, that any playing that is longest playing/highest paying will always have an advantage over others?

Where regardless any skill tree requires heavy amounts of grinding, but people who've been here since quite a while have nothing to worry? Where heavy booster buyers don't have to worry?

Where everything gets better the higher the level, when it should be getting better and worse? (e.g. Ridiculously powerful rail guns at proto that don't get anything to balance them, like far more heat buildup than the lower tier versions)

Where nearly every type of skill in the tree has a bonus attached to it, so if someone were to have at least one level above you, you'd lose then and there?

Where, in this game, you need prototype things, or at least level five skills and advanced gear just for basic survival needs?
Where as long as anything is not the above statement it's far below basic survival or performance requirements.

Flying a dropship is easy, albeit the wonky physics, though no one is going to survive against swarms when the fact that for shield based dropships there's some horrible crutches. You have a huge and nearly unchangeable shield recharge delay that you have no modules meant to improve it because they were removed. The only way to have better regen and try to improve the delay is a shield booster, in which if you don't have prototype or so, will make you wait quite a while in the battle field because you desperately need it to survive. If you used armour based dropships you have some way of exploiting the armour regeneration, yet the wide majority of things can kill you far faster than the shield based ones. You have tanks that can 2 hit you with rails, missile turrets that can barrage you quite easily, people who bring swarms out first thing to farm WP off of your vehicle, forgegunners, and sometimes bold plasma cannon users who spent quite a bit making their plasma cannons be able to 1-2 hit most vehicles. Without basic suvival needs(keyword: PROTO/Advanced stuff jacked up on level five bonuses) you of course will die. Grow some observation skills on this game's state people.

This "if you don't do well with vehicles it automatically means you just suck" mentality is such a trademark of being dense.

How is it possible for people to forget that so many of DUST's features are tiered, that any playing that is longest playing/highest paying will always have an advantage over others?

Where regardless any skill tree requires heavy amounts of grinding, but people who've been here since quite a while have nothing to worry? Where heavy booster buyers don't have to worry?

Where everything gets better the higher the level, when it should be getting better and worse? (e.g. Ridiculously powerful rail guns at proto that don't get anything to balance them, like far more heat buildup than the lower tier versions)

Where nearly every type of skill in the tree has a bonus attached to it, so if someone were to have at least one level above you, you'd lose then and there?

Where, in this game, you need prototype things, or at least level five skills and advanced gear just for basic survival needs?
Where as long as anything is not the above statement it's far below basic survival or performance requirements.

Flying a dropship is easy, albeit the wonky physics, though no one is going to survive against swarms when the fact that for shield based dropships there's some horrible crutches. You have a huge and nearly unchangeable shield recharge delay that you have no modules meant to improve it because they were removed. The only way to have better regen and try to improve the delay is a shield booster, in which if you don't have prototype or so, will make you wait quite a while in the battle field because you desperately need it to survive. If you used armour based dropships you have some way of exploiting the armour regeneration, yet the wide majority of things can kill you far faster than the shield based ones. You have tanks that can 2 hit you with rails, missile turrets that can barrage you quite easily, people who bring swarms out first thing to farm WP off of your vehicle, forgegunners, and sometimes bold plasma cannon users who spent quite a bit making their plasma cannons be able to 1-2 hit most vehicles. Without basic suvival needs(keyword: PROTO/Advanced stuff jacked up on level five bonuses) you of course will die. Grow some observation skills on this game's state people.

all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now.

PC everyone uses forge so it is a bit easier than when everyone uses swarms like in pubs. Also-pilots in PC lose about 2-3 ships in which you can still make a profit but In pubs you can't afford to lose one if you want to profit.

Swarms>FG.

if you don't have isk then maybe ADS might not be for you. try a BPO scout.

Derriths PS3 is fried I heard. I miss the dude

Isn't Skely inactive too? Who FCs when Zatata isn't on?

Yeah, but ISK shouldn't be a barrier in this game for a role, be it Dropsuit, Vehicle or whatever.

Vehicles should not be a present for those with SP and ISK to spare. They need to be accessible to lower SP and ISK pilot as well, which is almost impossible right now.

That's because the base frame (The ADS itself) is around 200k by itself IIRC.

They need to reduce the price of the base ADS and increase the ISK price of the modules incrementally. This allows lower SP and ISK players to run ships that can crash and learn while not bleeding themselves dry.

Also: It allows tankers/ads pilots to make "Cheap fits" like we infantry do. Let them have their super expensive flying death machines if they want, but also give the lower tiered pilots something to work with.

Isn't Skely inactive too? Who FCs when Zatata isn't on?

so why don't CCP add a mlt ADS to the market and have it cost 100k isk. there is mlt tanks why not mlt ADS to let some of these guys who complain about AV learn how to fly.