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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.01 01:39:00 -
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I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out.
I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT.
Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely.
P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck.
I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1200
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Posted - 2014.12.01 02:15:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out.
I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT.
Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely.
P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck.
I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did. all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now.
PC everyone uses forge so it is a bit easier than when everyone uses swarms like in pubs. Also-pilots in PC lose about 2-3 ships in which you can still make a profit but In pubs you can't afford to lose one if you want to profit.
Swarms>FG.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.01 02:19:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Lions-Fan
Apocalyptic Destroyer
Vooblylol
Parthok
Pro Tanker
White-Lion
I would say Derrith but I haven't seen him in awhile.
So, pretty much the same list as before.
All the swarm buff did was widen the gap between the good pilots and the bad ones.
PS: AB is so 1.8.
AB is 1.8, death is 1.9?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.01 03:20:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:All you have to do it get a buddy to gun for you and drop in at the AV target to kill. It isn't something you can expect pubs to do though if you kill him 1-2 times he won't even come after you again. Though he may try to ram you with a ds.
That is a huge problem, you litterally have to throw your defensive capabilities down the drain just to put on one turret.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1202
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Posted - 2014.12.01 03:22:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out.
I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT.
Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely.
P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck.
I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did. all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now. This "if you don't do well with vehicles it automatically means you just suck" mentality is such a trademark of being dense.How is it possible for people to forget that so many of DUST's features are tiered, that any playing that is longest playing/highest paying will always have an advantage over others? Where regardless any skill tree requires heavy amounts of grinding, but people who've been here since quite a while have nothing to worry? Where heavy booster buyers don't have to worry? Where everything gets better the higher the level, when it should be getting better and worse? (e.g. Ridiculously powerful rail guns at proto that don't get anything to balance them, like far more heat buildup than the lower tier versions) Where nearly every type of skill in the tree has a bonus attached to it, so if someone were to have at least one level above you, you'd lose then and there? Where, in this game, you need prototype things, or at least level five skills and advanced gear just for basic survival needs? Where as long as anything is not the above statement it's far below basic survival or performance requirements. Flying a dropship is easy, albeit the wonky physics, though no one is going to survive against swarms when the fact that for shield based dropships there's some horrible crutches. You have a huge and nearly unchangeable shield recharge delay that you have no modules meant to improve it because they were removed. The only way to have better regen and try to improve the delay is a shield booster, in which if you don't have prototype or so, will make you wait quite a while in the battle field because you desperately need it to survive. If you used armour based dropships you have some way of exploiting the armour regeneration, yet the wide majority of things can kill you far faster than the shield based ones. You have tanks that can 2 hit you with rails, missile turrets that can barrage you quite easily, people who bring swarms out first thing to farm WP off of your vehicle, forgegunners, and sometimes bold plasma cannon users who spent quite a bit making their plasma cannons be able to 1-2 hit most vehicles. Without basic suvival needs(keyword: PROTO/Advanced stuff jacked up on level five bonuses) you of course will die. Grow some observation skills on this game's state people.
Can I offer you a massage and have a signature, you and Dust Fiend have the highest IQ on the forums.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1202
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Posted - 2014.12.01 03:27:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:I am not talking about where you went 30-0 playing militia starter fits, I'm talking about a tough match where there was proto AV (swarms) and you managed to survive and still do something other than just flying around in the redline scared to come out.
I personally have no luck, when ever I pull an ADS everyone flocks to supply depot and often get killed because WTF swarms still curving around buildings ECT.
Swarms have to counter IMO, once locked on and fired it is extremely hard to avoid them. Stress of extremely.
P.S. Me and my friend fit an ADS with 2 XT-1 turrets and we got two shotted by a redline railgun, then called in tank to destroy turret and called in ADS again and got blown up by one player with STD swarms. (we hit AB right when we herd the swarm go off but they caught up and destroyed us. I definitely have no luck.
I'm not gonna say swarms are OP because I know i'm about to have tomatoes thrown at me if I did. all the good ADS pilots still do great in PC. its the bad pilots that are the ones that suffer now. This "if you don't do well with vehicles it automatically means you just suck" mentality is such a trademark of being dense.How is it possible for people to forget that so many of DUST's features are tiered, that any playing that is longest playing/highest paying will always have an advantage over others? Where regardless any skill tree requires heavy amounts of grinding, but people who've been here since quite a while have nothing to worry? Where heavy booster buyers don't have to worry? Where everything gets better the higher the level, when it should be getting better and worse? (e.g. Ridiculously powerful rail guns at proto that don't get anything to balance them, like far more heat buildup than the lower tier versions) Where nearly every type of skill in the tree has a bonus attached to it, so if someone were to have at least one level above you, you'd lose then and there? Where, in this game, you need prototype things, or at least level five skills and advanced gear just for basic survival needs? Where as long as anything is not the above statement it's far below basic survival or performance requirements. Flying a dropship is easy, albeit the wonky physics, though no one is going to survive against swarms when the fact that for shield based dropships there's some horrible crutches. You have a huge and nearly unchangeable shield recharge delay that you have no modules meant to improve it because they were removed. The only way to have better regen and try to improve the delay is a shield booster, in which if you don't have prototype or so, will make you wait quite a while in the battle field because you desperately need it to survive. If you used armour based dropships you have some way of exploiting the armour regeneration, yet the wide majority of things can kill you far faster than the shield based ones. You have tanks that can 2 hit you with rails, missile turrets that can barrage you quite easily, people who bring swarms out first thing to farm WP off of your vehicle, forgegunners, and sometimes bold plasma cannon users who spent quite a bit making their plasma cannons be able to 1-2 hit most vehicles. Without basic suvival needs(keyword: PROTO/Advanced stuff jacked up on level five bonuses) you of course will die. Grow some observation skills on this game's state people.
True, if you put basic modules on an ADS, your fit is as weak and hopeless as a starter fit in front of boundless HMG. It takes like 700k sp to get proto swarm launcher and you will rule the field but with ADS, you have to put in close to 10-15 million sp to have a decent fit. Also, the ADS costs 375k isk (a good fit) comapred to a (47k isk swarm) Also- I didn't add in the price of AV suit because you can put a wiki swarm on a starter fit and still have no trouble taking down ADS'S and tanks.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1211
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Posted - 2014.12.01 21:12:00 -
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Finn Colman wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: ...I also find it funny how people will say of you don't have the ISK, don't fly, yet the same people will happily tell you that ISK shouldn't be a balancing factor. Forum logic 101, hard at work
That is a fallacy as you are saying that something is such, so that is the way it should be. Essentially the implication of your statement is, "Because ISK is a balancing factor, it should be a balancing factor." If this is not what you meant, you should try to clarify more. It is simple logic to see why people say this. If you don't have ISK, then why waste what little you have for little to no return. An ADS is like a sports car in this way.
except it doesn't preform. It is just an expensive as hell sp and isk wise up link destroyer. If you want to kill, you'll probably be more effective in a militia heavy with HMG. Seriously.
Also isk is a balancing factor. Proto>militia
Proto price> militia
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1211
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Posted - 2014.12.01 21:13:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:As a terrible pilot I have been removed from god hood.
As a terrible swarmer, I am god.
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