working as intended. Shields have no movement penalty and regen much faster than armor.

So without maxing Dropsuit Armor Upgrades I'm meant to have more HP then a Caldari fitting 3-4 Complex Shield Extenders and maxed Dropsuit Shield Upgrades with a Gallente with two Enhanced Reactive Plates, one Complex Armor Plate, and one Enhanced Armor Plate?

working as intended. Shields have no movement penalty and regen much faster than armor.

The top Shield Extender in this game gives less HP then a Militia Armor Plate that does not seem right. Please buff shields I can't get my Caldari Assault to even come close in HP to a Gallente Assault. Please love shields <3

working as intended. Shields have no movement penalty and regen much faster than armor.

not quite, at proto level you can easly get armor suits repping 20-40hp/s while still having sizeable buffer comparable to shield suits in terms of caldari shield tankers their shields only rep at 30/hp a tick scout is 50. thats fine however we all know the problems with scouts but i will spare the ear arch..

And I can get a caldari repping at 60-80 with minimal effort.

It takes 4 low slots to rep 40 armor/sec. and even then it's 39 actual.

not quite, at proto level you can easly get armor suits repping 20-40hp/s while still having sizeable buffer comparable to shield suits in terms of caldari shield tankers their shields only rep at 30/hp a tick scout is 50. thats fine however we all know the problems with scouts but i will spare the ear arch..

It takes 4 low slots to rep 40 armor/sec. and even then it's 39 actual.

Perhaps its because armor has more tank AND regens rapidly under fire?

You get bad hit detection when u use shield mods, but
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Which is nearly as fast as the Amarr Scout... so I really don't see any reason you should be complaining about "shields not having enough HP", when they get way better regen, and superior mobility.

Until such time as we get an infantry portable Remote Shield Booster, Armor still technically has the better regen as it can be increased by logi's assisting a teammate. Additionally, shields do not recharge at all while under-fire, Armor does, so while shields have superior regen rates they have to either have to stay next to cover, or eliminate the enemy before the shield buffer fails. This leads to damage modifiers still being a largely better choice than shield extenders.

Now, if shield recharge was changed to be a recharge time to full, with the rate decaying on a curve the closer you get to 100% shield capacity, (with current shield regen rates being the peak recharge rate) I could see there being no real problem with extenders' current HP values, and as stated earlier an infantry portable remote shield booster would be useful for determining overall armor vs shield balance.

Until such time as we get an infantry portable Remote Shield Booster, Armor still technically has the better regen as it can be increased by logi's assisting a teammate. Additionally, shields do not recharge at all while under-fire, Armor does, so while shields have superior regen rates they have to either have to stay next to cover, or eliminate the enemy before the shield buffer fails. This leads to damage modifiers still being a largely better choice than shield extenders.

Now, if shield recharge was changed to be a recharge time to full, with the rate decaying on a curve the closer you get to 100% shield capacity, (with current shield regen rates being the peak recharge rate) I could see there being no real problem with extenders' current HP values, and as stated earlier an infantry portable remote shield booster would be useful for determining overall armor vs shield balance.

not quite, at proto level you can easly get armor suits repping 20-40hp/s while still having sizeable buffer comparable to shield suits in terms of caldari shield tankers their shields only rep at 30/hp a tick scout is 50. thats fine however we all know the problems with scouts but i will spare the ear arch..

"Armor has regen under fire" is a red herring, because even if you fit five Complex Reps, which is approximately 46.9 hp/s (we'll round to 47 hp/s), and you fit these mods to a Gallente Assault suit (has the highest combined value of low slots+native rep) for an additional 3.5 hp/s, we get ~50.5 hp/s, which we'll just call "50 hp/s" since we already round from 46.9 to 47.

The problem comes when you consider the fact that there's no buffer. Referencing the HF Charlie notes, the Gallente Assault has a base armor of 275 hp; combined with Dropsuit Armor Upgrades L5 we get ~344 hp of armor. Doing the same for shields nets us a base of 155 shield hp, and ~194 shield hp after skills.

Fitting shield extenders basically makes this a shitfit- you're trying to get ultra-regen and good buffer at the same time, which simply doesn't work. If you fit damage... well, I don't think it's too hard to figure out that you'll be pretty easily alpha'd off the field due to having almost no buffer, and there's the whole issue that "regen under fire" will never actually save you.

Can it make a long-range fight go in your favor, if you dip in and out of cover? Sure, I suppose it would- but if you use some kind of "MAXIMUM REP" fit you'll be making yourself pathetically vulnerable to an alpha-strike (like a charge shot from the ScR, or even a heated up LR beam).

With the addition of Shield Regulator modules, shield users can get their regen delays very low, so in the same kind of fight they end up with the same benefit- duck into cover, regen a little bit, poke back out. Not only that, but it's not that difficult to get shield regen rates pretty high- as in "40-60 hp/s or higher". Do you need to fit a recharger or an energizer? Well, yeah- but to get that supposedly insane armor rep rate, an armor tanker has to pretty much fill his low slots with reppers.

More-or-less, an armor tanker has to pick between having amazing buffer, and good regen- they can fit a little of both, but one will always be better. Due to the nature of armor mods, it tends to work out that armor has better buffer (IE, more raw HP) than shield, but much worse rep rate... and disadvantage of movement penalties.

Shield suits, however, can attain a useful buffer and high rep rates. By that I mean that a shield suit can get enough shields that they aren't instagibbed whenever someone looks their way, but they still have incredible regen.

Armor is the opposite- you'll get some pretty impressive buffer, but you won't be getting anything resembling impressive regen at the same time; the fact that armor regen works all the time is, IMO, purely because of the fact that once armor goes, you die. If your shields go down you still have a little bit of armor left before you have to be scraped off the floor. Armor users don't really get that benefit.

And I can get a caldari repping at 60-80 with minimal effort.

It takes 4 low slots to rep 40 armor/sec. and even then it's 39 actual.

Advantages to being a shield suit:
-quick/consistent regen
-no movement penalty to primary tank
-can use both armor and shield modules efficiently
-does not rely on other suits for health when tanking
-projectile/explosive resistance resistance(the type of weapons that are most prevalent in the game)

Advantages to being in an armor suit
-constant regeneration
-larger values in tank modules
-can use shield extenders relatively efficiently
-can be repaired by external means
-uh is resistant to certain specific weapons

Seems pretty balance to me, if not it looks like the shield tankers have the advantage...

Please stop my Caldari suit can rep 20 hp armor like it is nothing a good armor fit is easy to fit. You armor guys get constant regen we shields dont and when we do regen 1/2 hp damage can stop that regen. I mean a fly landimg on your dropsuit can stop the regen

Except that an armor suit doesn't have to fit for regen to get regen thanks to the Repair Tool equipment,

as long as there remains no shield option there is no way to correctly compare them.

And as an armor tanker and long time amarr logi, let me tell you Armor Regen under fire is and awesome boon, even now with the current rep rates it can make the difference in survival and death.

Granted buffer will help you more in general, I prefer to have higher regen because my health does come back as bullets are coming in. I'm not saying that the base armor regen is insane currently (nowhere in my post did I reference insane armor regen from native reps only) but pointing out that it always works, regardless of when you last took damage.

Its also noteworthy that there are more anti-armor damage types in this game than Anti-shield types.