A good start would be to make Precision modules do 15%/20/25%(std/adv/pro). Have decible weaken with range and strengthen with cqc. Meaning every suit should be able to passively scan anything <3meters in the foward 90 degree view.

He's right, Nothing can get under a Gal's Damp.

That's the way it's meant to be? I don't think it's OP, you sacrifice so much for it, I think it's logical that it's easier to hide from scans than being the scanner.

The problem is, that Gal Scouts don't sacrifice enough, or anything when they damp. And whatever is sacrificed is made up for by the most powerful tool in the game, complete stealth.

A Gal Scout only needs to run dampener to hide from other scouts and gal logis that actually make an effort to seek them out. A double damp Gal scout is invisible to everything, except a 5 second scanner with 40s intervals, that's attached to a gal logi, and has a scan angle of 15 degrees...

Sorry, but numbers don't lie. Ratattitittiti himself said that gal scouts get more kills in this game than anything. In PC, gal scouts account for 70% of the kills I believe he stated, HMG heavies are the rest.

The game always has favored low-slots. So giving low-slots + perfect dampening is unbalanced.

eWar doesn't need to be re-invented, it just needs to be balanced.

To be 100% invisible, you should have to sacrifice all 4 low-slots.

Part of the problem was removing the precision from the cal scout. Again, they did something non-sensical aqnd wrong and messed up balance even more.

Balance must be a foreign word in China and Iceland

BAD 8213 BAD

This will COMPLETELY remove the Caldari and Minmatar scouts from PC.

Scanned scouts are dead scouts. If you do this, you will have to do one of the following

a.) Reduce the base dB of the Minmatar and Caldari frames
b.) Give the Minmatar and Caldari suits a bonus to dampening

This happened once already in 1.8 Alpha-Charlie. Gallente Scouts could easily run 2-3 damps and a cloak to get under scans. Caldari were left in the dust, and the Minmatar had to run full damps, which removed them from PC, since they had no advantages over the Gallente scout (Who could just run 1-2 codebreakers and beat the minja at its own game).

It would be more OP if everything could be scanned because then what would counter that?

You don't NEED to see something on your tacnet to kill it.

To kill a gal/dampened scout is to keep an eye out for it. If you look on your tacnet and see a cloaked scout that isn't on it then it becomes obvious that it's an enemy.

#don'tmakescanningOP

So, a cloaked scout just sitting in the corner can be spotted?

How is it that a 300HP Scout is capable of killing a 1600HP Heavy whilst it has a 1000dps weapon?
There comes a time when people have to really analyze the "skill" CCP is handing out to players, and realize it's unbalanced.

Scouts are the perfect frame to do just about every role in the game. Made easier due to the fact that they can roam the battlefield undetected.

hurka durka, that's what they do in real life hurka durka

Sir, you and I are old, old, old players.
We did this when we were 45db, and managed to do just fine. Eventually it has to come down to skill, risk vs. reward. More proof that the gal scout has been made unbalanced.

Most scouts in PC aren't running damps anyway. Only the ones who are exploiting the cloak shot glitch seem to be doing it.
Just because you can see me, doesn't mean I'm automatically dead.

But all but giving a guarantee of alpha damage is unbalanced, especially when compared to other frames. This Scout 514 business has gone on long enough.

The only balance CCP ever offered to it is now assaults can stack unsane HP, to buy 1-2 seconds of life...

How about nione fo the frames get a dampening bonus? Or all scouts go back to 45dB.

if gal scouts were undectectable then why does my focused scanner on gall logi pick them up?

The problem is, that Gal Scouts don't sacrifice enough, or anything when they damp. And whatever is sacrificed is made up for by the most powerful tool in the game, complete stealth.

A Gal Scout only needs to run dampener to hide from other scouts and gal logis that actually make an effort to seek them out. A double damp Gal scout is invisible to everything, except a 5 second scanner with 40s intervals, that's attached to a gal logi, and has a scan angle of 15 degrees...

Like usual, CCP made a bunch of patches and updates, giving something a buff beyond anything to balance it in the game, because of their usual lack of forethought, testing, common sense.

Scout Frames start at 35dB. That right there is a balance problem.
Cal and Gal scouts (why Cal has it, is another nonsenical balance band-aid flub) then have an additional 15% lower profile.
Then 10% passive from skilltree.
Then optional 25% dampeners modules.
And cloak equipment (another unbalanced feature) that give optional 5% or 10% dampening

Amarr then gets precision(again, nonsensical) so 25% racial, 10% skilltree, 20% modules.
Minmatar gets stuck with zero eWar (again, nonsensical balance)


So, simple as that is. Just look at the numbers. Compare it with medium and heavy frames, and other scouts.

How did something so unbalanced make it this far into the game? Why would something be put into the game that has no counters?

Nothing in the game can counter a Gal scout. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. And what do they sacrafice to achieve complete stealth?
Nevermind that in FPS, STEALTH IS THE MOST POWERFUL ELEMENT. So, to have characters that can achieve this without counter is called U.N.B.A.L.A.N.C.E.D.

A good start would be to make Precision modules do 15%/20/25%(std/adv/pro). Have decible weaken with range and strengthen with cqc. Meaning every suit should be able to passively scan anything <3meters in the foward 90 degree view.

OH MY GAWD I CAN'T SEE THE RED ARROW TELLING ME WHERE TO SHOOT I'M HELPLESS

I repeat, damps are NOT the problem. Just because you can't see them on the radar doesn't mean they are invisible.

On the other hand, SCANS need to get nerfed! Especially passive scans for scouts. If they can't see you through walls without using precision modules anymore their dominance will drop.

Also, giving active scanners team vision was a huge mistake. It was a direct nerf to Medium suits who have no chance to hide from a GalLogi with proto scanner.

The most powerful element in a FPS is not stealth but WALLHACKS. (or in this case: scans)

If everyone can see everyone on the radar the only thing deciding the outcome of a fight is who gets a lucky shot first or stacks the most HP/damage.

Buffing scans in any way or form will totally unbalance the game for anyone that is not a scout.

Idiots who don't run damps.

Keep punishing them with focused scans until they run Assault or start running 3x damp + Cloak.

The delay works as long as your keeping an eye out, if you can't read a situation and figure where a scout might ambush you from, you deserve to lose your suit.