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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:44:00 -
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Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
There you go, AR's are balanced.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6030
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:47:00 -
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The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though.
If by fine you mean OP, and by sucks you mean balanced, then yes I agree.
Just because you can't insta gib every suit in the game at under 60 meters doesn't mean that the rifles suck.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
425
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:53:00 -
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Quote:but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless
Ahem the RR... where was this about an update ago?
I'd agree, but having my side get useless weapons and the enemy getting decent if not OP weapons isn't one of my hopes/
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:56:00 -
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Breach AR just needs its range bringing down a little to bring it more into balance. its supposed ot be high CQC damage, it should be around 50m whereas at moment you can easily take reds down at 70m. tbh though the RR may have its CQC kick increased but at range its still a great gun. also just last night i got taken down at 147m by a CRW scrambler rifle with just a few charged shots.
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Everything Dies
FUNNY NAME GOES HERE
1090
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:56:00 -
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing?
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
4129
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:59:00 -
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The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it.
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:03:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing?
No recoil, very very accurate hipfire, and an insanely high dps.
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:04:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it.
It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
555
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:07:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it.
Yup, especially with the armor tanking meta. For evidence, you have few chances of defeating a good Amarr/gal assault rep-armor tanked (20hp/s or around that) with a regular AR at any range; of course I blame the nonexistent delay for armor repair.
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Nos Nothi
609
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:22:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6031
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:51:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though. If by fine you mean OP, and by sucks you mean balanced, then yes I agree. Just because you can't insta gib every suit in the game at under 60 meters doesn't mean that the rifles suck.
The Breach AR is at par with every other racial rifle while the regular AR doesn't hold a candle to any of the other rifles. That's what I mean.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1215
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:59:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though. If by fine you mean OP, and by sucks you mean balanced, then yes I agree. Just because you can't insta gib every suit in the game at under 60 meters doesn't mean that the rifles suck. The Breach AR is at par with every other racial rifle while the regular AR doesn't hold a candle to any of the other rifles. That's what I mean.
Do you have the stats to back up the claim that the Breach AR is only as good as the other racial rifles?
Average KDRs, Kills per Spawn, Market Stats, ect...
Because looking at the Market Stats, it is outselling the regular AR by over 250%... And is even outselling am three of the other racial rifles. The ScR(by over 250%), the RR(barely, but stillby over 150%), and the CR(by over 180%)
Last I checked, that is FotM...
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6032
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:01:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op.
The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree.
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Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:19:00 -
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Not really a BAR user myself. But its high usage doesn't reflect "overpowered" to me.
So many people are using it, because so many people prefer that 'high damage in your face' style gameplay.
I used the BAR a few times, and I honestly hate the feel.
I'm much better suited to a TAR, for my playstyle. I prefer general field and perimeter control.
Ok.
Here's my suggestion.
If you want to see the standard AR usage go up (and therefore leach some players away from the BAR) there is one simple thing that you need to do.
Give the regular AR back its scope. As simple as that.
All of the ARs standard counterparts of weapon sights. CR, RR, and ScR ALL have weapon sights. All of them. This makes them slightly more wieldly for people, and with the regular ARs butter smooth handling, it will be an even greater pleasure to use if it had one too.
Put at least an ACOG on to the regular AR, and I guarantee it will be a crowd favorite.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1216
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:29:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree.
The Gek-38 outsells the Crd-9 by 370%... The Duvolle sells nearly 6x as much as the Carthum.
The AScR is a terrible weapon.
It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is.
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
4130
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:50:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree. The Gek-38 outsells the Crd-9 by 370%... The Duvolle sells nearly 6x as much as the Carthum. The AScR is a terrible weapon. It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is.
I'm sorry but when did the AScR become bad? When it got a slight nerf that was quickly reversed?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:58:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Not really a BAR user myself. But its high usage doesn't reflect "overpowered" to me.
So many people are using it, because so many people prefer that 'high damage in your face' style gameplay.
I used the BAR a few times, and I honestly hate the feel.
I'm much better suited to a TAR, for my playstyle. I prefer general field and perimeter control.
Ok.
Here's my suggestion.
If you want to see the standard AR usage go up (and therefore leach some players away from the BAR) there is one simple thing that you need to do.
Give the regular AR back its scope. As simple as that.
All of the ARs standard counterparts of weapon sights. CR, RR, and ScR ALL have weapon sights. All of them. This makes them slightly more wieldly for people, and with the regular ARs butter smooth handling, it will be an even greater pleasure to use if it had one too.
Put at least an ACOG on to the regular AR, and I guarantee it will be a crowd favorite.
I would honestly use the Duvolle over the CreoDron just for this. I despise ironsights.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
408
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:04:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:
Give the regular AR back its scope. As simple as that.
Put at least an ACOG on to the regular AR, and I guarantee it will be a crowd favorite.
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Do you really believe that?
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1216
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:06:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree. The Gek-38 outsells the Crd-9 by 370%... The Duvolle sells nearly 6x as much as the Carthum. The AScR is a terrible weapon. It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is. I'm sorry but when did the AScR become bad? When it got a slight nerf that was quickly reversed?
Apparently its worse than the AR. And a metric shitton of people think that's a bad gun...
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
278
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:26:00 -
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The burst AR may need some lovin' but the rest are perfectly balanced. Just wish they would give the Rail Rifle a little love now since CCP found it necessary to nerf everything Caldari.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6032
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Posted - 2014.11.24 00:19:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:
It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is.
I'm sorry but when did the AScR become bad? When it got a slight nerf that was quickly reversed? Apparently its worse than the AR. And a metric shitton of people think that's a bad gun...
Fizzer, the amount sold does not determine how good a weapon is in game. It's like saying that the Honda Civic is better than the Lamborghini Aventador because it sells more.
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Lloyd Orfay
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.24 00:29:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
There you go, AR's are balanced.
Uhm, the burst AR, or any AR has nearly non existent recoil.
Nearly all guns in this game do.
Besides this, reason one why the breach AR is abused is because the same mistake is being done for multiple guns.
Extremely high damage number + easiest to use, no handicaps either.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.24 00:44:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
There you go, AR's are balanced.
its already balanced.. its decent at mid range and to the lower levels of long range, becaus eof tighter hipfire and slower ROF it isnt as good as people think in CQB..
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.24 00:45:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
There you go, AR's are balanced. Uhm, the burst AR, or any AR has nearly non existent recoil. Nearly all guns in this game do. Besides this, reason one why the breach AR is abused is because the same mistake is being done for multiple guns. Extremely high damage number + easiest to use, no handicaps either.
burst ar across most meta levels excluding proto iirc are broken and useing old values and under performing
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Posted - 2014.11.24 00:51:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. Yup, especially with the armor tanking meta. For evidence, you have few chances of defeating a good Amarr/gal assault rep-armor tanked (20hp/s or around that) with a regular AR at any range; of course I blame the nonexistent delay for armor repair. EDIT: Also, Imo the CR-ACR are totally on par with the AR on CQC fights
Actually, depending on the amount of damage being taken during short periods of time, it seems as if there is. A 1 second delay. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.11.24 01:41:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing?
The hit detection on it is one of the best in the game right now... I Hvae flaylock rounds that direct impact and register hits less then the Breach AR that is aimed an inch away from target.
The Balance around guns in DUST is hindered and made useless by the terrible mechanics of the game. Like every balance attempt with weapons has experienced since the implementation of Aim assist.
Until Hit detection mechanics and the way they work with Aim assist are addressed as a whole there will always be one gun that performs better to its counter parts.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5051
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Posted - 2014.11.24 02:09:00 -
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What is this begging for a weapon not to be nerfed?
Apologists, I swear. The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Don't be spineless jellyfish.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6034
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Posted - 2014.11.24 02:23:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs.
Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.24 02:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy.
>implying TTK won't be affected by buffing all weapons.
>Acting as if though COD pvp isn't on the horizon if we buff all weapons.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
2103
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Posted - 2014.11.24 02:39:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing? The hit detection on it is one of the best in the game right now... I Hvae flaylock rounds that direct impact and register hits less then the Breach AR that is aimed an inch away from target. The Balance around guns in DUST is hindered and made useless by the terrible mechanics of the game. Like every balance attempt with weapons has experienced since the implementation of Aim assist. Until Hit detection mechanics and the way they work with Aim assist are addressed as a whole there will always be one gun that performs better to its counter parts. Just by the way the mechanics work in the game.
aim assist was introduced to aid in softening the differance between skill and DS3 vs KB/m
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.24 03:02:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy. >implying TTK won't be affected by buffing all weapons. >Acting as if though COD pvp isn't on the horizon if we buff all weapons.
You can't go fully one way in this issue. You have to be moderate and select what to do for each weapon accordingly. Is this weapon OP because it is simply better than other good weapons or are other weapons simply under performing in the grand.scheme of things?
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2014.11.24 03:05:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Bethhy wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing? The hit detection on it is one of the best in the game right now... I Hvae flaylock rounds that direct impact and register hits less then the Breach AR that is aimed an inch away from target. The Balance around guns in DUST is hindered and made useless by the terrible mechanics of the game. Like every balance attempt with weapons has experienced since the implementation of Aim assist. Until Hit detection mechanics and the way they work with Aim assist are addressed as a whole there will always be one gun that performs better to its counter parts. Just by the way the mechanics work in the game. aim assist was introduced to aid in softening the differance between skill and DS3 vs KB/m
I'd argue that it was actually put in place to make lag less noticeable by letting the game change your aim slightly to aim at the actual hitbox and not just the character model.
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Posted - 2014.11.24 07:12:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy. >implying TTK won't be affected by buffing all weapons. >Acting as if though COD pvp isn't on the horizon if we buff all weapons. You can't go fully one way in this issue. You have to be moderate and select what to do for each weapon accordingly. Is this weapon OP because it is simply better than other good weapons or are other weapons simply under performing in the grand.scheme of things?
No I don't, I'll even become an extremist nerf-bat swinger to get this game balanced.
If a weapon is OP for x y z, but balanced in terms of a, b, and c, then it should be obvious where to lower and where to keep things the same. It's the community's job to say "oh don't change this, the reason the gun is over-powered is this," generally speaking when a gun/suit is over performing it becomes quickly apparent to whomever uses the weapon the reasons why.(unless thought isn't a skill one possesses)
The reason things get over-nerfed is because those who use said overpowered weapon try to defend it by giving trivial to blatantly stupid reasons why it's not OP. That's why the ADs, and rail rifle got nerfed so hard. Sure there were the far and few who did in fact attempt to help balance those aspects of the game. If it wasn't for the belligerent majority who refused to acknowledge a problem, not to mention the far and few who tried to avoid the problem and nerf another part of the items(ads rof scandal), the items would more up to par with the other items.
If we want balance, we can't focus on the philosophical aspects. Because this game is relatively simple to figure out, your average joe and figure, "x gun kills me in less than 2 seconds, that doesn't seem right." For more complex issues it is the job of the players who play specific roles/suits to find whether their suit is over/under performing in specific aspects, if it reasonable it will probably be fixed if brought up through the proper channels.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1220
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:28:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:
It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is.
I'm sorry but when did the AScR become bad? When it got a slight nerf that was quickly reversed? Apparently its worse than the AR. And a metric shitton of people think that's a bad gun... Fizzer, the amount sold does not determine how good a weapon is in game. It's like saying that the Honda Civic is better than the Lamborghini Aventador because it sells more.
Except they both cost the same... so obviously the one that sells more is better. Admit it, that wasn't a very good example.
Rattati has stated that there is a correlation between performance and market sales. I'll look for the quote...
Take the Bolt Pistol for example. It was selling less than 75K units per month. When it was buffed, that number jumped to 220K units. That's nearly 300% boost in sales. This is the STD pistol, just so you know, so the officer sidearm even shouldn't have had that much of an effect on it.
Honestly, we can look at any FotM weapon, and see on the market stats when it was FotM...
Sales correlate with performance.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1220
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:31:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy.
That result in power creep.
Nerfing AND buffing are both part of a healthy game balance.
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3176
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:49:00 -
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CCP, please castrate the Breach AR.
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
582
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Posted - 2014.11.24 14:08:00 -
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A 10% reduction in optimal would probably work, but I wouldn't mind seeing the BrAR get a RR-recoil-level adjustment. It would fire wild when fit to a Caldari Scout, and be manageable on a L5 Gallente Assault.
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Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1153
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:29:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
There you go, AR's are balanced.
No. Nerf it to the ground look at my precious rr its ruined my clone cries each day as he holds his rr in his hands, then he reaches for the arr and cries but its useful
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Myron Kundera
The Generals
114
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Posted - 2014.11.24 17:04:00 -
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Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
-Wrong. FOTM light weapons are STILL Shotguns, CR, ACR, ARR, RR. Nice try lol)-.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
-LMFAO! As effective as the AR? the AR is a piece of crap! lol. AR needs a buff, yes, but Breach AR DOES NOT need a nerf-.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
-You be trollin right here-.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR.
-You will still QQ about getting killed by it, so why bother? range is fine-.
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
-And you know this cause you have a Lvl 5 Gallente/Assault?, cause i do, and i also have the AR maxed out and i tell you, thats what makes the Breach AR outshine, SShoter 5, Operation 5, Proficiency 5, but also the other rifles shine on lvl 5 skills. Reducing ROF to an allready low ROF rifle, lol, no sir-.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
-Agreed, Burst needs buff, but a damage one, not kick-.
There you go, AR's are balanced.
-Lol, according to you it is. By this standard, the AR is crap, and you want to put the Breach AR on crap level, i guess you don-Št use it BUT get killed by it cause you enter his optimal with a shield based suit, which means, working as intended-.
This has got to be one of the best troll posts i have ever seen.
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Top Men.
112
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Posted - 2014.11.24 17:53:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing?
Well, they nerfed the Rail Rifle too much so people moved on to something else to fill the void. That something else is the breach assault rifle. This is a direct result of nerfing the Rail Rifle. I winder then, when they nerf the BAR who will be the next go to gun?
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Niuvo
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
1033
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Posted - 2014.11.24 18:57:00 -
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The breach AR is the most viable right now. All weapons should be able kill fools with ease. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:06:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
There you go, AR's are balanced.
The only thing the Breach AR need to be balanced is a RANGE tone down.
Thats it.
Keep its range between 30-50mts (max) and that will make the weapon BALANCED. (considering every single other weapon would have more range... XD)
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
715
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:04:00 -
[44] - Quote
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless.
It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR.
The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that.
Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR
Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion.
Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot.
There you go, AR's are balanced.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5060
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Posted - 2014.11.24 23:55:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy. >implying TTK won't be affected by buffing all weapons. >Acting as if though COD pvp isn't on the horizon if we buff all weapons.
No, its not that other weapons need faster TTK via DPS increase. There are a lot of ways they can be improved. Pretty much every long range weapon in the game would be improved by simply fixing the netcode. Anyone who snipes understands the movement in this game is expressed by the netcode in the worst way possible. Embarrassingly so, in fact.
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Feldt-Grace
Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company
32
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Posted - 2014.11.25 00:23:00 -
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It's funny my Caldari-Sentiel with Breach-Assaultrifle is so OP~ kills Proto Amarr Sentinels in Seconds. xD Makes really fun~ CalBreachSen
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
421
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Posted - 2014.11.25 02:16:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
No, its not that other weapons need faster TTK via DPS increase. There are a lot of ways they can be improved. Pretty much every long range weapon in the game would be improved by simply fixing the netcode. Anyone who snipes, or even sharpshoots with a SR, RR or LR understands the movement in this game is expressed by the netcode in the worst way possible. Embarrassingly so, in fact. And while it can hurt CQC quite a bit, it has always hurt long range combat more because slight movement inconsistencies result in more lost shots on an effectively smaller target.
The Jink-Jank Teleportation movement needs to be addressed. I cannot think of any FPS that has a netcode that expresses movement this badly.
That doesn't change the fact that we need to be continuously adjusting values to balance the game so certain guns/playstyles aren't abused/overused by the community. At some point all these changes will translate into "oh, I use this gun cause I like it," as opposed to "this gun does x hundred damage a clip and has no recoil, I don't even have to aim, so I use it."
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
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