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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2906	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:44:00 - [1] - Quote Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless. It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR. The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that. Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion. Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot. There you go, AR's are balanced. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6030	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:47:00 - [2] - Quote The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2906	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:50:00 - [3] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though. If by fine you mean OP, and by sucks you mean balanced, then yes I agree. Just because you can't insta gib every suit in the game at under 60 meters doesn't mean that the rifles suck. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 425	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:53:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless Ahem the RR... where was this about an update ago? I'd agree, but having my side get useless weapons and the enemy getting decent if not OP weapons isn't one of my hopes/ AND I BACKED THE F*CK DOWN.
Nirwanda Vaughns 971	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:56:00 - [5] - Quote Breach AR just needs its range bringing down a little to bring it more into balance. its supposed ot be high CQC damage, it should be around 50m whereas at moment you can easily take reds down at 70m. tbh though the RR may have its CQC kick increased but at range its still a great gun. also just last night i got taken down at 147m by a CRW scrambler rifle with just a few charged shots. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Everything Dies FUNNY NAME GOES HERE 1090	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:56:00 - [6] - Quote Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4129	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:59:00 - [7] - Quote The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
hfderrtgvcd 1236	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:03:00 - [8] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing? No recoil, very very accurate hipfire, and an insanely high dps. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
hfderrtgvcd 1236	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:04:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:07:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. Yup, especially with the armor tanking meta. For evidence, you have few chances of defeating a good Amarr/gal assault rep-armor tanked (20hp/s or around that) with a regular AR at any range; of course I blame the nonexistent delay for armor repair. Take a bow

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 609	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:22:00 - [11] - Quote And damn those basketball-sized bullets; the gun cannot miss.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6031	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:51:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though. If by fine you mean OP, and by sucks you mean balanced, then yes I agree. Just because you can't insta gib every suit in the game at under 60 meters doesn't mean that the rifles suck. The Breach AR is at par with every other racial rifle while the regular AR doesn't hold a candle to any of the other rifles. That's what I mean. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1215	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:59:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Breach AR is fine. The regular AR kind of sucks though. If by fine you mean OP, and by sucks you mean balanced, then yes I agree. Just because you can't insta gib every suit in the game at under 60 meters doesn't mean that the rifles suck. The Breach AR is at par with every other racial rifle while the regular AR doesn't hold a candle to any of the other rifles. That's what I mean. Do you have the stats to back up the claim that the Breach AR is only as good as the other racial rifles? Average KDRs, Kills per Spawn, Market Stats, ect... Because looking at the Market Stats, it is outselling the regular AR by over 250%... And is even outselling am three of the other racial rifles. The ScR(by over 250%), the RR(~~barely, but still~~by over 150%), and the CR(by over 180%) Last I checked, that is FotM... Please, make my Opus pretty...
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6032	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:01:00 - [14] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Jathniel G I A N T 1299	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:19:00 - [15] - Quote Not really a BAR user myself. But its high usage doesn't reflect "overpowered" to me. So many people are using it, because so many people prefer that 'high damage in your face' style gameplay. I used the BAR a few times, and I honestly hate the feel. I'm much better suited to a TAR, for my playstyle. I prefer general field and perimeter control. Ok. Here's my suggestion. If you want to see the standard AR usage go up (and therefore leach some players away from the BAR) there is one simple thing that you need to do. Give the regular AR back its scope. As simple as that. All of the ARs standard counterparts of weapon sights. CR, RR, and ScR ALL have weapon sights. All of them. This makes them slightly more wieldly for people, and with the regular ARs butter smooth handling, it will be an even greater pleasure to use if it had one too. Put at least an ACOG on to the regular AR, and I guarantee it will be a crowd favorite. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1216	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:29:00 - [16] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree. The Gek-38 outsells the Crd-9 by 370%... The Duvolle sells nearly 6x as much as the Carthum. The AScR is a terrible weapon. It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4130	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:50:00 - [17] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree. The Gek-38 outsells the Crd-9 by 370%... The Duvolle sells nearly 6x as much as the Carthum. The AScR is a terrible weapon. It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is. I'm sorry but when did the AScR become bad? When it got a slight nerf that was quickly reversed? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19292	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:58:00 - [18] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Not really a BAR user myself. But its high usage doesn't reflect "overpowered" to me. So many people are using it, because so many people prefer that 'high damage in your face' style gameplay. I used the BAR a few times, and I honestly hate the feel. I'm much better suited to a TAR, for my playstyle. I prefer general field and perimeter control. Ok. Here's my suggestion. If you want to see the standard AR usage go up (and therefore leach some players away from the BAR) there is one simple thing that you need to do. Give the regular AR back its scope. As simple as that. All of the ARs standard counterparts of weapon sights. CR, RR, and ScR ALL have weapon sights. All of them. This makes them slightly more wieldly for people, and with the regular ARs butter smooth handling, it will be an even greater pleasure to use if it had one too. Put at least an ACOG on to the regular AR, and I guarantee it will be a crowd favorite. I would honestly use the Duvolle over the CreoDron just for this. I despise ironsights. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. RATTATI WHERE IS MY DUEL
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:04:00 - [19] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Give the regular AR back its scope. As simple as that. Put at least an ACOG on to the regular AR, and I guarantee it will be a crowd favorite. HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHA Do you really believe that? Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1216	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:06:00 - [20] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. It is the best cqc rifle except for the breach. It is fine. Any buffs will make it op. The CR, ACR, ARR and ASCR all outperform it to a noticeable degree. The Gek-38 outsells the Crd-9 by 370%... The Duvolle sells nearly 6x as much as the Carthum. The AScR is a terrible weapon. It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is. I'm sorry but when did the AScR become bad? When it got a slight nerf that was quickly reversed? Apparently its worse than the AR. And a metric shitton of people think that's a bad gun... Please, make my Opus pretty...

Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 278	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:26:00 - [21] - Quote The burst AR may need some lovin' but the rest are perfectly balanced. Just wish they would give the Rail Rifle a little love now since CCP found it necessary to nerf everything Caldari. The State will always survive.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6032	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:19:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: It seems to me that you are so intent on thinking that ARs are ****** weapons, that you are unwilling to see that they actually aren't that bad. Sure, it isn't the best rifle right now... but it's far from the the worst that you think it is. I'm sorry but when did the AScR become bad? When it got a slight nerf that was quickly reversed? Apparently its worse than the AR. And a metric shitton of people think that's a bad gun... Fizzer, the amount sold does not determine how good a weapon is in game. It's like saying that the Honda Civic is better than the Lamborghini Aventador because it sells more. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Lloyd Orfay Kinsho Swords Caldari State 233	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:29:00 - [23] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless. It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR. The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that. Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion. Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot. There you go, AR's are balanced. Uhm, the burst AR, or any AR has nearly non existent recoil. Nearly all guns in this game do. Besides this, reason one why the breach AR is abused is because the same mistake is being done for multiple guns. Extremely high damage number + easiest to use, no handicaps either. "Class, what is the genus that the pig comes from?" "Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher"
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2103	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:44:00 - [24] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless. It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR. The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that. Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion. Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot. There you go, AR's are balanced. its already balanced.. its decent at mid range and to the lower levels of long range, becaus eof tighter hipfire and slower ROF it isnt as good as people think in CQB.. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2103	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:45:00 - [25] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Its well known to be the FoTM light weapon, and does need balancing, but Id prefer to not have it go into being useless. It just needs to be as effective as the regular AR. The regular AR right now is in a good place, and the breach should be balanced around that. Firstly, reduce the range to that of the regular AR Secondly, reduce the RoF so that it does 92.5% of the current AR DPS, which is fine considering that it has no kick, no recoil, and no dispersion. Third, buff the burst AR by reducing its kick per shot. There you go, AR's are balanced. Uhm, the burst AR, or any AR has nearly non existent recoil. Nearly all guns in this game do. Besides this, reason one why the breach AR is abused is because the same mistake is being done for multiple guns. Extremely high damage number + easiest to use, no handicaps either. burst ar across most meta levels excluding proto iirc are broken and useing old values and under performing #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4707	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:51:00 - [26] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The Regular AR is not in a good place. Lowest optimal range but is not king of it. Yup, especially with the armor tanking meta. For evidence, you have few chances of defeating a good Amarr/gal assault rep-armor tanked (20hp/s or around that) with a regular AR at any range; of course I blame the nonexistent delay for armor repair. EDIT: Also, Imo the CR-ACR are totally on par with the AR on CQC fights Actually, depending on the amount of damage being taken during short periods of time, it seems as if there is. A 1 second delay.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2502	Posted - 2014.11.24 01:41:00 - [27] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the appeal of the breach AR right now? I've definitely noticed it popping up more and more in the killfeed, but looking at the raw numbers (in-game menu screens) the advantage of using it isn't obvious. What am I missing? The hit detection on it is one of the best in the game right now... I Hvae flaylock rounds that direct impact and register hits less then the Breach AR that is aimed an inch away from target. The Balance around guns in DUST is hindered and made useless by the terrible mechanics of the game. Like every balance attempt with weapons has experienced since the implementation of Aim assist. Until Hit detection mechanics and the way they work with Aim assist are addressed as a whole there will always be one gun that performs better to its counter parts. Just by the way the mechanics work in the game.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5051	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:09:00 - [28] - Quote What is this begging for a weapon not to be nerfed? Apologists, I swear. The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Don't be spineless jellyfish. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6034	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:23:00 - [29] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 412	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:27:00 - [30] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The weapon is fine, other weapons just suck. Ask for buffs. Exactly. The entire which hunt for the FOTM is a dangerous movement in the Dust community. It has a bad philosophy. >implying TTK won't be affected by buffing all weapons. >Acting as if though COD pvp isn't on the horizon if we buff all weapons. Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Can I haz ur isk?



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