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Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:10:00 -
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Let's simply study the reasons why CCP has ultimately D.E.S.T.R.O.Y.E.D. Caldari in literally every form and fashion.
Rail Rifle: Doubled the charge-up time Massively increased the kick Now, a creodron breach AR has not only a higher DPS...but zero kick, zero charge up time, & near identical range performance. All that comparatively to both the ishukone and kal rail rifles.
Scout: Reduced/removed passive scan precision capability. Now, not only is the scout completely vulnerable to being 1SK by any adv or higher shotgun, but you don't even see it coming to ANY scout who has only 1 dampener equipped. NTM, CCP's "nerf" of the cloak allowing two shotgun fires before the user even decloaks. Very nice.
Assault: Worst. Bonus. Ever. Thanks for allowing me to reload my broken RR faster. You've reduced the Cal Assault to nothing more than the red-headed stepchild of the scout and commando. No e-war capability, no damage bonus, no speed.
Shields: If what I'm hearing is true, you intend to now add movement penalty to shields? WOOOW. Alright, so not only does ferroscale armor plates add MORE health than complex shields, but it comes with no movement penalty. Armor stacking is king now, btw. Just because your shotty hit detection pours in complaints and QQ's of people unable to kill speedy scouts, gives no argument to then just nerf shields altogether. With no way to "rep" shields other than recharge/energizer usage, a shield's effectiveness is now nullified. Please welcome your Gal Assault Breach AR uber OP on two rep hives. GFG.
Pythons: Oh, this one's my favorite. Massive reduction to missile RoF. Buff to swarms, especially speed. Near invincible, perfect-aim autoturrets on the ground. NTM, a complete inability to fit ANYTHING without using a proto PG upgrade - even with skills MAXED. Where should I start? Idk, let's do the math. It took oh, around 15 mil sp to get my Python where it should be. It costs roughly half a mil per ship completely fitted, not including the pro fit one flies around in. How much sp/isk does it cost the guy wielding swarms? How bout the turrets? Even better, today I discovered a grimsnes - YES, a grimsnes, with an xt-1 side turret, able to rep THROUGH my damage. Even if every missile landed, the BASIC dropship would rep through the damage before I was reloaded. Why on Earth would you think that placing a turret on the ground that would take literally 2 full minutes of uncontested damage output (that could put me down in 3 shots) is a good idea?
Edit: OH wait, I almost forgot...haha. Yea. If I'm just having a good day flying around, ya know, enjoying the sp I dumped into doing what I enjoy(ed), the kids resort to simply ramming my ship with any militia DS they can come up with. Ha, and they survive. Tell me, what happens when I ram a tank into another tank? Sure, getting rammed by another ship should do some damage (as in LAVs), maybe change my path of flight some. But complete destruction? AND they fly away? Awesome.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:12:00 -
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Grimnsenes tanking damage???
Must have been triple or heack even quadruple, but hell no... I use it and get wrecked by Pythons all the time...
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Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
122
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:16:00 -
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Well yea it was definitely stacking reps....I stuck 8 missiles down its throat, just sitting still in air. Before I reloaded, bam, full armor. Doesn't matter how many reps it has. I should be able to take it down, especially if I land every missile....no matter what. |
ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:18:00 -
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I agree with the movement penalty to shields, it's so stupid, they take up much more space than ferroscale, AND they already have a shield delay penalty on them!
The Python needed a nerf, and it's still the best ADS in my opinion.
Caldari Assault does have a broken bonus...
Scouts needed a nerf.
The RR doesn't need such a high charge up time, they should just lower it by a small amount.
Why must you use prototypes?
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
906
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:30:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:Well yea it was definitely stacking reps....I stuck 8 missiles down its throat, just sitting still in air. Before I reloaded, bam, full armor. Doesn't matter how many reps it has. I should be able to take it down, especially if I land every missile....no matter what. Umm... No.
To take AV role you should down it with Incubus and small rails. Small missiles aren't supposed to be the best AV, so it is working as intended. And I've also never heard of Standard Drop ship QQ.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1112
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:45:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:I agree with the movement penalty to shields, it's so stupid, they take up much more space than ferroscale, AND they already have a shield delay penalty on them!
The Python needed a nerf, and it's still the best ADS in my opinion.
Caldari Assault does have a broken bonus...
Scouts needed a nerf.
The RR doesn't need such a high charge up time, they should just lower it by a small amount.
Python needed a nerf is so ignorant. Not everybody can pick upa python and dominate it. What CCP has efficiently done is flushed 2.5 million sp i put into python down the drain and made it come near death with every 1 swarmer. 2 swarmers and you might as well jump out because you're but to be lit up.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:54:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:Let's simply study the reasons why CCP has ultimately D.E.S.T.R.O.Y.E.D. Caldari in literally every form and fashion.
Rail Rifle: Doubled the charge-up time Massively increased the kick Now, a creodron breach AR has not only a higher DPS...but zero kick, zero charge up time, & near identical range performance. All that comparatively to both the ishukone and kal rail rifles.
Scout: Reduced/removed passive scan precision capability. Now, not only is the scout completely vulnerable to being 1SK by any adv or higher shotgun, but you don't even see it coming to ANY scout who has only 1 dampener equipped. NTM, CCP's "nerf" of the cloak allowing two shotgun fires before the user even decloaks. Very nice.
Assault: Worst. Bonus. Ever. Thanks for allowing me to reload my broken RR faster. You've reduced the Cal Assault to nothing more than the red-headed stepchild of the scout and commando. No e-war capability, no damage bonus, no speed.
Shields: If what I'm hearing is true, you intend to now add movement penalty to shields? WOOOW. Alright, so not only does ferroscale armor plates add MORE health than complex shields, but it comes with no movement penalty. Armor stacking is king now, btw. Just because your shotty hit detection pours in complaints and QQ's of people unable to kill speedy scouts, gives no argument to then just nerf shields altogether. With no way to "rep" shields other than recharge/energizer usage, a shield's effectiveness is now nullified. Please welcome your Gal Assault Breach AR uber OP on two rep hives. GFG.
Pythons: Oh, this one's my favorite. Massive reduction to missile RoF. Buff to swarms, especially speed. Near invincible, perfect-aim autoturrets on the ground. NTM, a complete inability to fit ANYTHING without using a proto PG upgrade - even with skills MAXED. Where should I start? Idk, let's do the math. It took oh, around 15 mil sp to get my Python where it should be. It costs roughly half a mil per ship completely fitted, not including the pro fit one flies around in. How much sp/isk does it cost the guy wielding swarms? How bout the turrets? Even better, today I discovered a grimsnes - YES, a grimsnes, with an xt-1 side turret, able to rep THROUGH my damage. Even if every missile landed, the BASIC dropship would rep through the damage before I was reloaded. Why on Earth would you think that placing a turret on the ground that would take literally 2 full minutes of uncontested damage output (that could put me down in 3 shots) is a good idea?
Edit: OH wait, I almost forgot...haha. Yea. If I'm just having a good day flying around, ya know, enjoying the sp I dumped into doing what I enjoy(ed), the kids resort to simply ramming my ship with any militia DS they can come up with. Ha, and they survive. Tell me, what happens when I ram a tank into another tank? Sure, getting rammed by another ship should do some damage (as in LAVs), maybe change my path of flight some. But complete destruction? AND they fly away? Awesome.
Sigh...smdh. yes im sad that ccp is killing shield tanking, i couldnt give a flying raptor jeebus about the scout tho.. the assault works well still just not as good at brawling as other races..
as for pythons.. with high sp they can be rather godlike still with up to 80% resist to swarms.. and i admit im guilty of ramming the odd caldari DS/ads with gallente ships to pwn them..
as for weapons.. id say the BAR is equal to the RR atm.. tho RR has a scope and low kick when aiming down sights and very little dispersion and max range of 101m effective of like 70m.. where as the BAR has no scope, you gotta dump alot of sp into sharpshooter to cut down on the aweful dispersion max range of like 71m and effective of like 50m... so being the short range weapon its entitled to have very little kick..
oh and Prepair for Ramming speed!
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4847
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:09:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:I agree with the movement penalty to shields, it's so stupid, they take up much more space than ferroscale, AND they already have a shield delay penalty on them!
The Python needed a nerf, and it's still the best ADS in my opinion.
Caldari Assault does have a broken bonus...
Scouts needed a nerf.
The RR doesn't need such a high charge up time, they should just lower it by a small amount.
I still think the Cal Precision being changed was BS.
Cal needed to damage it's primary tank to get the great scans.
And only with 4 precision...all of it's primary tank moldules...could it get better scans that the amarr scout does today.
Amarr? 2 slots of it's non primary tank slots...to get to about the same place 3 cal precision scouts did..changing it from cal to amarr changed VERY little in the meta.
I argued this then...but what do I know.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:35:00 -
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You should look up ignorant... sigh. It obviously needed a nerf it was pretty much invincible and the reason for the rof was because people were stacking pilots.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
392
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:35:00 -
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You should look up ignorant... sigh. It obviously needed a nerf it was pretty much invincible and the reason for the rof was because people were stacking pilots.
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.11.23 06:26:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
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Posted - 2014.11.23 09:19:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:ImIvan wrote:I agree with the movement penalty to shields, it's so stupid, they take up much more space than ferroscale, AND they already have a shield delay penalty on them!
The Python needed a nerf, and it's still the best ADS in my opinion.
Caldari Assault does have a broken bonus...
Scouts needed a nerf.
The RR doesn't need such a high charge up time, they should just lower it by a small amount. I still think the Cal Precision being changed was BS. Cal needed to damage it's primary tank to get the great scans. And only with 4 precision...all of it's primary tank moldules...could it get better scans that the amarr scout does today. Amarr? 2 slots of it's non primary tank slots...to get to about the same place 3 cal precision scouts did..changing it from cal to amarr changed VERY little in the meta. I argued this then...but what do I know. I agree with some of what you said, but honestly I think the dampening bonus is better.
Reason is your base precision is still pretty much good enough to pick up most mediums or heavies, and you really shouldn't be relying on your passive scans to pick up Scouts. That's all visual and sound recognition. Not being scanned is way more important IMO. Besides stacking a 4th mod of anything with stacking penalties is pretty dumb.
The way I know a Scout is near me is typically hearing footsteps/cloak/gunfire, quick glance at radar to see if blues are near, and usually from there you can recognize what's up. With everyone and their mom dampening because of how stupid wallha----I mean EWAR is, it's not really good to depend on scans.
Passive EWAR still needs a significant change. It shouldn't light up chevrons over peoples heads. Having a visual cue directly over nearby people's heads while carrying a high-alpha weapon is what makes Scouts broken. Red chevrons hovering over people's heads should be reserved for active scanners because they have a duration. Passive scans should just feed information to your radar because they have no duration and are seamless.
I guarantee if you did that Scout play would completely change and all of a sudden you'd start seeing Scouts running into the open getting blasted because they've been so dependent on the game telling them exactly where everyone is. I would absolutely love it if the game made me use my radar to, for example, see and recognize there's some reds in my area and then actually have to use my eyes and ears to find them and not have some giant red arrow telling me "HE'S RIGHT HERE!".
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.23 10:22:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:You should look up ignorant... sigh. It obviously needed a nerf it was pretty much invincible and the reason for the rof was because people were stacking pilots.
While it might have been true that swarms were lacking lets not forget something. The Forge gun was always good vs dropships, tanks, lav`s and installations and it still is. A Forge fight vs ADS used to be a good battle. Shots from the ADS could really mess up a forgers aim and as a forger you had to train yourself to let the blast / smoke clear to make sure your shots line up on target.
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
276
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Posted - 2014.11.23 12:50:00 -
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CCP why do you hate shield tanks so much?
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
552
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:27:00 -
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Ahhh, shield tanking... lolCA RIP Caldari.
Take a bow
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:39:00 -
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While some points are correct but the Caldari Assault suit does not suck in anyway. It's a damn good assault suit and has the potential to be the best suit in the game if it had a useful bonus. It's like the Gallente Assault, the fact that the **** bonus is what makes it bad.
The Python as well is not as terrible as you would like it to seem but that doesn't change the fact that some of the other stuff was improperly tuned though.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
394
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Posted - 2014.11.23 14:03:00 -
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^ it has the best uptime easy.
As for you ds tears pythons have a bonus to the really only effective turret against both AV and AI along with more mobility and depending on your fit/skill just as much survival.
I think this is just another case of, you mean I can't just stand there and hold the trigger?
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo
3366
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Posted - 2014.11.23 14:03:00 -
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Breach AR had half the range (40M, compared to 70) and only 10% more dps your crying over the rail is invalid. If you want a cqc weapon then your using the wrong one to begin with, granted in EVE the caldari use both rails and blasters so instead of bitching about how you can't use a rail at close range why not ask CCP to allow bonuses for all hybrid weapons for both Cal and Gal? Also you can use a short range side arm to supplement your cqc, there is no long range sidearm, except the bolt but it's horrible.
You can still equip the modules... Just because you don't get a bonus for them doesn't mean they are useless.
Yeah the bonus does suck, but the Cal and Gal have been stuck with the same crappy bonus forever. Nothing new here. Aside from that the Caldari suit is probably the best suit in the game. Great speed, hp, and regen.
Yeah no, I'm pretty sure CCP will add that new penalty to all plates, it's not a movement penalty per say but a strafing reduction, forward movement speed and sprinting would remain unaffected. Although imo it would be much better if we had inertia.
Pythons suck, hate em. Used to be a assault dropship pilot, I only use Caldari vehicles. Now I'm not gg to my python and my Gunny :/
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.23 14:17:00 -
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Armor has always had it's advantages over shields. Now it will be even worse.
In addition to the points you made also don't forget than fluxes make shield tanking difficult, especially for sentinels and there is not a shield rep tool.
It's obvious CCP wants us to all go back to stacking damage mods in the highs, armor in the lows and active scanners keeping us all perma scanned.
It will be like the logi slayer days all over again. :(
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Feldt-Grace
Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company
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Posted - 2014.11.23 14:33:00 -
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And who is the Caldari Commando? <.<
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
276
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Posted - 2014.11.23 16:30:00 -
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Feldt-Grace wrote:And who is the Caldari Commando? <.< The guy in the redline with a Thales.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
8589
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Posted - 2014.11.23 16:41:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Breach AR had half the range (40M, compared to 70) and only 10% more dps your crying over the rail is invalid. If you want a cqc weapon then your using the wrong one to begin with, granted in EVE the caldari use both rails and blasters so instead of bitching about how you can't use a rail at close range why not ask CCP to allow bonuses for all hybrid weapons for both Cal and Gal? Also you can use a short range side arm to supplement your cqc, there is no long range sidearm, except the bolt but it's horrible.
You can still equip the modules... Just because you don't get a bonus for them doesn't mean they are useless.
Yeah the bonus does suck, but the Cal and Gal have been stuck with the same crappy bonus forever. Nothing new here. Aside from that the Caldari suit is probably the best suit in the game. Great speed, hp, and regen.
Yeah no, I'm pretty sure CCP will add that new penalty to all plates, it's not a movement penalty per say but a strafing reduction, forward movement speed and sprinting would remain unaffected. Although imo it would be much better if we had inertia.
Pythons suck, hate em. Used to be a assault dropship pilot, I only use Caldari vehicles. Now I'm not gg to my python and my Gunny :/ Caldari also make heavy use of Rockets and Missiles over Blasters, which no Caldari ship is really intended to use primary blasters but there are some that can make good use of them.
I'd love to see a rocket launcher in this game.
One for Caldari, one for Minmatar.
Caldari one has more direct impact, high acceleration, less splash radius and damage and more precision.
Minmatar one would have High Splash radius and damage, High speed, slow acceleration, low direct damage and less precision.
Then we get the Amarr with their Laser Cannon
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
424
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:47:00 -
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They can't ignore all 12 of us! Well compared to the 120 screaming no I guess they can. We need to get CCP to fix our weapons https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181664&p=5 That is for fixing the RR. (New ideas welcome!)
AND I BACKED THE F*CK DOWN.
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Henrietta Unknown
Kirjuun Heiian
524
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:22:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Feldt-Grace wrote:And who is the Caldari Commando? <.< The guy in the redline with a Thales. Because if we were to snipe closer with a Tac variant, the scouts would hunt us down.
Logic.
Give the Magsex some love.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
427
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:27:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Feldt-Grace wrote:And who is the Caldari Commando? <.< The guy in the redline with a Thales. Because if we were to snipe closer with a Tac variant, the scouts would hunt us down. Logic. Well don't forget how fond the Gallente are for readline sniping.
AND I BACKED THE F*CK DOWN.
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Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
5451
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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:38:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:ImIvan wrote:I agree with the movement penalty to shields, it's so stupid, they take up much more space than ferroscale, AND they already have a shield delay penalty on them!
The Python needed a nerf, and it's still the best ADS in my opinion.
Caldari Assault does have a broken bonus...
Scouts needed a nerf.
The RR doesn't need such a high charge up time, they should just lower it by a small amount. Python needed a nerf is so ignorant. Not everybody can pick upa python and dominate it. What CCP has efficiently done is flushed 2.5 million sp i put into python down the drain and made it come near death with every 1 swarmer. 2 swarmers and you might as well jump out because you're but to be lit up. And if you jump out, unless you're sitting perfectly still the ship will run you over in midair roughly 80% of the time.
And if you're sitting still, the wreckage will either land on your head when you land, or stay close enough under you that you never get the option to hit the Inertia Canceller, and you die from hitting the ground.
The only way to be effective in an ADS anymore is pretty much to deploy with a squad of 5 infantry and have them spend the entire match just hunting AV players on the other team so you don't get insta-killed.
Also, I've been using the Incubus with Railguns and Blasters, and various Rep and Hardener fits. Blaster hit detection is borked so that only the shots that go down the center of the circle register (just like how the HMG was before they fixed that), and no matter what combo of Hardners and Reps I use, or even if I just stack Reps, it's still hard to avoid dying in seconds.
Also, STD Dropships are ******* dead. The Myron and Grimsnes don't have anywhere near the acceleration, speed, or maneuverability to get out of Swarm range before there are 6+ full volleys in the air, and no matter how much HP you stack and how many Hardners you use they'll either shred you because you can fire and reload them so fast, or the Kinetic Impact effect will throw you into the nearest object or flip you sideways so you fall to the ground.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4860
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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:44:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Zatara wrote:
I still think the Cal Precision being changed was BS.
Cal needed to damage it's primary tank to get the great scans.
And only with 4 precision...all of it's primary tank moldules...could it get better scans that the amarr scout does today.
Amarr? 2 slots of it's non primary tank slots...to get to about the same place 3 cal precision scouts did..changing it from cal to amarr changed VERY little in the meta.
I argued this then...but what do I know.
I agree with some of what you said, but honestly I think the dampening bonus is better.
The dampening bonus on the gal scout?
How does is the contention that a dampening bonus was better in contention with what I said?
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Mike Ox Bigger
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
508
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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:53:00 -
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If they put speed penalties on shield modules, that right there might seriously make me quit this game.
*Sigh* Who am I kidding? I'll be here till the death.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
3050
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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:54:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Zatara wrote:
I still think the Cal Precision being changed was BS.
Cal needed to damage it's primary tank to get the great scans.
And only with 4 precision...all of it's primary tank moldules...could it get better scans that the amarr scout does today.
Amarr? 2 slots of it's non primary tank slots...to get to about the same place 3 cal precision scouts did..changing it from cal to amarr changed VERY little in the meta.
I argued this then...but what do I know.
I agree with some of what you said, but honestly I think the dampening bonus is better. The dampening bonus on the gal scout? How does is the contention that a dampening bonus was better in contention with what I said? dude.... use black guy words, it's the only way I'll understand them.
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1336
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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:55:00 -
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Cal scouthas the scruby bonus of broken hitbox, swarms are op, nk's are good, cal sentinel and cammando are still good
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