DUST Search - I'm a Scout...and I hate Shotguns! Nerf them!

Eruditus 920 wrote:

Bad JuJu Jones wrote:

This is my first rant if that's what you want to call it but i'm getting really frustrated with shotguns.

I run a Gal Scout with no armor mods, no shield mods and all dampening, range and precision mods. I use Nova Knives and SMG primarily and I have had my fair share of deaths from the infamous shotgun scout.

C'mon guys, I don't mean to offend anyone but as a someone who has only run scout, the shotgun needs to be nerfed... this literal "one hit wonder" requires zero skill and hits like a mother even at the militia level!!!!

Let me set the record that I love nova knives and I suck at them... seriously guys I wish I could boast the numbers that some of these nova knife scouts boast but I get very little kills with them but I keep trying (I'll take advice from any seasoned NK Scout, please provide advice)

I picked up the militia shotgun for a few matches and OMG I am "Lord of the Battlefield" I have no skills in shotgun and I used a basic Gal Scout dropsuit with cloak and I suddenly am on top and I think this is wrong. Something has to be done to Nerf the shotgun...reduce the damage...do not allow scouts to use them.

As I said, I do not mean to offend anyone but the Shotgun Scout should NOT exist, its too easy and cheap and a slap in the face to all scouts who go it the hard way with SMG's NK's and basically any other weapon.

If you use a shotgun it should only be equitable without a cloak device or not equitable by scouts. I'm sorry but its too powerful and easy to sneak up on Assaults, Heavies and other Scouts while cloaked and pick them off in 1 or 2 shots.... sadly even with a militia version.

Have scouts given up on their difficulty level competing with Assaults and have just went to the one weapon that gets the job done easy? I just think it should be harder than picking up the shotgun because some of us work hard with the other tools of the trade and there should be balance in game... especially with cloak.

The shotgun scouts can all hate me but if I can rock on the battlefield with a militia shotgun, then this game is broken. As a scout from the beginning, I call for a nerf of the shotgun or make it unequipable by scouts using cloak.

Scout for life,

Bad JuJu Jones

(Insert hate mail here)

Don't touch my crutch lol

"The feud shall not be forgotten. But those who forget, never witnessed the true horror."

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Bad JuJu Jones R 0 N 1 N 10	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:33:00 - [1] - Quote This is my first rant if that's what you want to call it but i'm getting really frustrated with shotguns. I run a Gal Scout with no armor mods, no shield mods and all dampening, range and precision mods. I use Nova Knives and SMG primarily and I have had my fair share of deaths from the infamous shotgun scout. C'mon guys, I don't mean to offend anyone but as a someone who has only run scout, the shotgun needs to be nerfed... this literal "one hit wonder" requires zero skill and hits like a mother even at the militia level!!!! Let me set the record that I love nova knives and I suck at them... seriously guys I wish I could boast the numbers that some of these nova knife scouts boast but I get very little kills with them but I keep trying (I'll take advice from any seasoned NK Scout, please provide advice) I picked up the militia shotgun for a few matches and OMG I am "Lord of the Battlefield" I have no skills in shotgun and I used a basic Gal Scout dropsuit with cloak and I suddenly am on top and I think this is wrong. Something has to be done to Nerf the shotgun...reduce the damage...do not allow scouts to use them. As I said, I do not mean to offend anyone but the Shotgun Scout should NOT exist, its too easy and cheap and a slap in the face to all scouts who go it the hard way with SMG's NK's and basically any other weapon. If you use a shotgun it should only be equitable without a cloak device or not equitable by scouts. I'm sorry but its too powerful and easy to sneak up on Assaults, Heavies and other Scouts while cloaked and pick them off in 1 or 2 shots.... sadly even with a militia version. Have scouts given up on their difficulty level competing with Assaults and have just went to the one weapon that gets the job done easy? I just think it should be harder than picking up the shotgun because some of us work hard with the other tools of the trade and there should be balance in game... especially with cloak. The shotgun scouts can all hate me but if I can rock on the battlefield with a militia shotgun, then this game is broken. As a scout from the beginning, I call for a nerf of the shotgun or make it unequipable by scouts using cloak. Scout for life, Bad JuJu Jones (Insert hate mail here)
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 619	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote I've lost a few officer weapons to those little mother ******* today
Hector Carson BLACK MAGES ACADEMY 86	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:47:00 - [3] - Quote This is why I am a logi Scout shoots Sentinel like a BOSS.........with a Bolt Pistol
CharacterNameWasTaken 272	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:51:00 - [4] - Quote Butthurr is strong wuth this one and your in a dead corp dude. "Stop it the bouncing is making me uncomfortable" - Senji/Crow
Hector Carson BLACK MAGES ACADEMY 86	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote hey if you ever need a new corp join our academy to Black Mages Inc Scout shoots Sentinel like a BOSS.........with a Bolt Pistol
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2599	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:57:00 - [6] - Quote Only the range needs nerfed. There have been plenty of times where I've heard a scout coming up behind me (whether they missed the first shot or something) and while I was back peddling and like 10-15m away, the shots still went through my shield like nothing (I have about 300ish shield on my STD suit). Other considerations are reducing the mag well to 4-5 shots. Rapid firing 8 shots willy-nilly shouldn't be how it works; it should be more of a precision weapon, needing to get close and land accurate shots. I think if a scout can sneak up on an unsuspecting target, he should be able to take it out rather easily. But he should be literally right on top of him, and if the target pulls range, even like 7-10m or so, the shotgun shouldn't be effective at all. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Bad JuJu Jones R 0 N 1 N 11	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:57:00 - [7] - Quote CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: Butthurr is strong wuth this one and your in a dead corp dude. Awesome so I am paying taxes for nothing, I was wondering were everyone went... lol. Time to go solo again.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2599	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:00:00 - [8] - Quote Bad JuJu Jones wrote: CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: Butthurr is strong wuth this one and your in a dead corp dude. Awesome so I am paying taxes for nothing, I was wondering were everyone went... lol. Time to go solo again. NO PETITION CCP TO GIVE YOU CEO ROLES AND THEN YOU COLLECT THE TAXES Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Hector Carson BLACK MAGES ACADEMY 86	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:01:00 - [9] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Only the range needs nerfed. There have been plenty of times where I've heard a scout coming up behind me (whether they missed the first shot or something) and while I was back peddling and like 10-15m away, the shots still went through my shield like nothing (I have about 300ish shield on my STD suit). Other considerations are reducing the mag well to 4-5 shots. Rapid firing 8 shots willy-nilly shouldn't be how it works; it should be more of a precision weapon, needing to get close and land accurate shots. I think if a scout can sneak up on an unsuspecting target, he should be able to take it out rather easily. But he should be literally right on top of him, and if the target pulls range, even like 7-10m or so, the shotgun shouldn't be effective at all. Note: shotguns are a shield destroying based weapon which means they do more damage to shields than armor so basically if your caldari your pretty much screwed Scout shoots Sentinel like a BOSS.........with a Bolt Pistol
Bad JuJu Jones R 0 N 1 N 11	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:02:00 - [10] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Only the range needs nerfed. There have been plenty of times where I've heard a scout coming up behind me (whether they missed the first shot or something) and while I was back peddling and like 10-15m away, the shots still went through my shield like nothing (I have about 300ish shield on my STD suit). Other considerations are reducing the mag well to 4-5 shots. Rapid firing 8 shots willy-nilly shouldn't be how it works; it should be more of a precision weapon, needing to get close and land accurate shots. I think if a scout can sneak up on an unsuspecting target, he should be able to take it out rather easily. But he should be literally right on top of him, and if the target pulls range, even like 7-10m or so, the shotgun shouldn't be effective at all. I think you are on to something... I mean the only weapon that should kill in 1 to 2 hits should be the NK, they are hard to use... the shotgun just seems like an easy killing machine. I think you are spot on with the distance and amo recommendations. It just sucks to spend months on skilling up other weapons only to have ONE militia version top them all.

Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2599	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:03:00 - [11] - Quote Hector Carson wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Only the range needs nerfed. There have been plenty of times where I've heard a scout coming up behind me (whether they missed the first shot or something) and while I was back peddling and like 10-15m away, the shots still went through my shield like nothing (I have about 300ish shield on my STD suit). Other considerations are reducing the mag well to 4-5 shots. Rapid firing 8 shots willy-nilly shouldn't be how it works; it should be more of a precision weapon, needing to get close and land accurate shots. I think if a scout can sneak up on an unsuspecting target, he should be able to take it out rather easily. But he should be literally right on top of him, and if the target pulls range, even like 7-10m or so, the shotgun shouldn't be effective at all. Note: shotguns are a shield destroying based weapon which means they do more damage to shields than armor so basically if your caldari your pretty much screwed I know, but the emphasis was on the range that the damage was dealt. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6107	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:07:00 - [12] - Quote I get where you are coming from as Minja knifer. However, I DO think shotguns deserve a place in the game. The questions become: What is the problem? Is it an issue with the weapon itself, or is it an issue where the Shotgun highlights other problems (shooting from cloak that is still happening despite the delay), ability to tank so well on a Gal Scout (which is hopefully being fixed soon) etc? I don't think there is an easy answer right now. I think there are a lot of factors that we know are problems that need to be fixed first before we can start finding an answer to fixing the shotgun. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Hector Carson BLACK MAGES ACADEMY 86	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:07:00 - [13] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Hector Carson wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Only the range needs nerfed. There have been plenty of times where I've heard a scout coming up behind me (whether they missed the first shot or something) and while I was back peddling and like 10-15m away, the shots still went through my shield like nothing (I have about 300ish shield on my STD suit). Other considerations are reducing the mag well to 4-5 shots. Rapid firing 8 shots willy-nilly shouldn't be how it works; it should be more of a precision weapon, needing to get close and land accurate shots. I think if a scout can sneak up on an unsuspecting target, he should be able to take it out rather easily. But he should be literally right on top of him, and if the target pulls range, even like 7-10m or so, the shotgun shouldn't be effective at all. Note: shotguns are a shield destroying based weapon which means they do more damage to shields than armor so basically if your caldari your pretty much screwed I know, but the emphasis was on the range that the damage was dealt. ranges is 30 effective range is 20-5 meters Scout shoots Sentinel like a BOSS.........with a Bolt Pistol
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 861	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:11:00 - [14] - Quote Bad JuJu Jones wrote: This is my first rant if that's what you want to call it but i'm getting really frustrated with shotguns. I run a Gal Scout with no armor mods, no shield mods and all dampening, range and precision mods. I use Nova Knives and SMG primarily and I have had my fair share of deaths from the infamous shotgun scout. C'mon guys, I don't mean to offend anyone but as a someone who has only run scout, the shotgun needs to be nerfed... this literal "one hit wonder" requires zero skill and hits like a mother even at the militia level!!!! Let me set the record that I love nova knives and I suck at them... seriously guys I wish I could boast the numbers that some of these nova knife scouts boast but I get very little kills with them but I keep trying (I'll take advice from any seasoned NK Scout, please provide advice) I picked up the militia shotgun for a few matches and OMG I am "Lord of the Battlefield" I have no skills in shotgun and I used a basic Gal Scout dropsuit with cloak and I suddenly am on top and I think this is wrong. Something has to be done to Nerf the shotgun...reduce the damage...do not allow scouts to use them. As I said, I do not mean to offend anyone but the Shotgun Scout should NOT exist, its too easy and cheap and a slap in the face to all scouts who go it the hard way with SMG's NK's and basically any other weapon. If you use a shotgun it should only be equitable without a cloak device or not equitable by scouts. I'm sorry but its too powerful and easy to sneak up on Assaults, Heavies and other Scouts while cloaked and pick them off in 1 or 2 shots.... sadly even with a militia version. Have scouts given up on their difficulty level competing with Assaults and have just went to the one weapon that gets the job done easy? I just think it should be harder than picking up the shotgun because some of us work hard with the other tools of the trade and there should be balance in game... especially with cloak. The shotgun scouts can all hate me but if I can rock on the battlefield with a militia shotgun, then this game is broken. As a scout from the beginning, I call for a nerf of the shotgun or make it unequipable by scouts using cloak. Scout for life, Bad JuJu Jones (Insert hate mail here) Your opinion has been noted and dismissed out of hand. I want more freedom in how I choose to play DUST, not less. I run a scout sometimes too. When I put on a militia heavy suit and HMG I can fill up the kill feed with no SP invested in the role. By your logic, should we do away with Fat HMG'ers? I die to them all the time. Am I bitching about it? No. Don't like it? Instead of complaining, just play something else "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Orchi Aizen TN1'S ARMY 70	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:30:00 - [15] - Quote Just ban the shotgun from cloak scouts.Boom proves solved.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15167	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:48:00 - [16] - Quote ITT: Scout with no armor or shields wonders why shotguns hurt Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, DUST Pariah Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my Youtube channel
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 188	Posted - 2014.11.22 21:20:00 - [17] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Bad JuJu Jones wrote: This is my first rant if that's what you want to call it but i'm getting really frustrated with shotguns. I run a Gal Scout with no armor mods, no shield mods and all dampening, range and precision mods. I use Nova Knives and SMG primarily and I have had my fair share of deaths from the infamous shotgun scout. C'mon guys, I don't mean to offend anyone but as a someone who has only run scout, the shotgun needs to be nerfed... this literal "one hit wonder" requires zero skill and hits like a mother even at the militia level!!!! Let me set the record that I love nova knives and I suck at them... seriously guys I wish I could boast the numbers that some of these nova knife scouts boast but I get very little kills with them but I keep trying (I'll take advice from any seasoned NK Scout, please provide advice) I picked up the militia shotgun for a few matches and OMG I am "Lord of the Battlefield" I have no skills in shotgun and I used a basic Gal Scout dropsuit with cloak and I suddenly am on top and I think this is wrong. Something has to be done to Nerf the shotgun...reduce the damage...do not allow scouts to use them. As I said, I do not mean to offend anyone but the Shotgun Scout should NOT exist, its too easy and cheap and a slap in the face to all scouts who go it the hard way with SMG's NK's and basically any other weapon. If you use a shotgun it should only be equitable without a cloak device or not equitable by scouts. I'm sorry but its too powerful and easy to sneak up on Assaults, Heavies and other Scouts while cloaked and pick them off in 1 or 2 shots.... sadly even with a militia version. Have scouts given up on their difficulty level competing with Assaults and have just went to the one weapon that gets the job done easy? I just think it should be harder than picking up the shotgun because some of us work hard with the other tools of the trade and there should be balance in game... especially with cloak. The shotgun scouts can all hate me but if I can rock on the battlefield with a militia shotgun, then this game is broken. As a scout from the beginning, I call for a nerf of the shotgun or make it unequipable by scouts using cloak. Scout for life, Bad JuJu Jones (Insert hate mail here) Don't touch my crutch lol fixed. "The feud shall not be forgotten. But those who forget, never witnessed the true horror."* -Nexle Skimfuse
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 508	Posted - 2014.11.22 21:32:00 - [18] - Quote Understandable with shield suits. Caldari Assault at 8 meters gets smacked down just because of the shield preference. An armor tanked suit would've shrugged it off. Now if you're an untanked Galscout, then I get where you're coming from. But there is no point. Knives aren't anti-Scout weapons primarily - just good assassination tools for mediums and Sentinels. Carry a MD to deal with the SG scouts and then pick on easier targets afterwards. Find the counter, don't ask for one. Give the Magsex some love.
Bad JuJu Jones Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.11.29 02:16:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ITT: Scout with no armor or shields wonders why shotguns hurt I don't think armor or shields would help a scout since it would not be enough of a buff. My issue with the GS is the ability as a scout to cloak, sneak up on someone and get off a shot that for most dropsuits, levels it. I think it shouldn't be that easy when all the other weapons require more practice and skill. Maybe delay the shotgun from the de-cloak more than it is now.


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