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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4797	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:06:00 - [31] - Quote Ghural wrote: Surely asking them to follow through on their promises is appropriate. Neither Rattati nor Rouge promised these things. And idiotic promises are idiotic. Ghural wrote: Not everything needs to have an huge benefit to gameplay, take the new moods for example, they don't enable any "new gameplay" but they do add to immersion and the visual enjoyment of the game, two things which do actually matter and are worth the development time. The moods were already done. (I think.) This is concept art that would have to be built for scratch for the game. Between a game mode and a racial vehicle, what would add more enjoyment to your day? Between a port to a newer platform and racial parity for MCCs? These are probably fair comparisons of the scope of effort and cost required. If CCP asks me "Hey, we've got this money and these devs, what should we work on?", my answer is not going to be "racial parity". CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6540	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:10:00 - [32] - Quote sighs I'm fully aware of the time and investment required, and as I learn the craft myself painfully so. If you want feedback and ideas simply ask, I've little interaction with you in the past but from what I've seen here most of your communication has amounted to 'this is why you're wrong, now go away' while largely ignoring a bulk of opinions from other players. If you wish I'll personally make the thread, but your 'tone' doesn't make conversation pleasant, to say the least. To put it plainly, you're asking without giving, it's not something that's healthy for constructive thought. You want reasons, I'll supply them along with a place to debate, be sure to meet halfway. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 175	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:24:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True Adamance wrote: I believe you can only attain a true and meaningful sense of balance when all core racial content is in the game. True: Again, what content does the Amarr and Minmatar MCCs provide? "Racial content" is nonsense, because racial versions in themselves, provide no content. If there are ways they are different from existing versions, then perhaps you have content. I think he's referring to the lack of Amarr/Minmatar Vehicles along with the missing 2 heavy weapons
Ghural WarRavens Capital Punishment. 333	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:35:00 - [34] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ghural wrote: Surely asking them to follow through on their promises is appropriate. Neither Rattati nor Rouge promised these things. And idiotic promises are idiotic. Ghural wrote: Not everything needs to have an huge benefit to gameplay, take the new moods for example, they don't enable any "new gameplay" but they do add to immersion and the visual enjoyment of the game, two things which do actually matter and are worth the development time. The moods were already done. (I think.) This is concept art that would have to be built for scratch for the game. Between a game mode and a racial vehicle, what would add more enjoyment to your day? Between a port to a newer platform and racial parity for MCCs? These are probably fair comparisons of the scope of effort and cost required. If CCP asks me "Hey, we've got this money and these devs, what should we work on?", my answer is not going to be "racial parity". CCP made those promises. Blaming individuals is idiotic since they act with the approval of the overall management. The same company is still in charge. We have been shown the other things at versions stages of development but have no idea how far along they are really. They could be almost good to go. Or nowhere near it. How do we find out? People like the OP ask.
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 937	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:37:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rattati has said he doesn't feel about to some extent to previous promises and obligations made by his predecessors and instead prefers to look into number fixes.....or something along those lines. I would not say Rattati prefers number fixes over previous content promises. What I would say, is he prefers things that make the game better over previous content promises. For instance, can anyone theorize what the Amarr and Minmatar MCCs would do to benefit gameplay? Would they make gameplay more fun? I understand there are some racial purists, like True here, but I don't believe in racial parity for racial parity's sake personally. I want game mechanics. I want gameplay. If something is going to add gameplay that is equal or greater to the cost and time it will take CCP to put it in, let's do it. But if it's just going to add "one more thing" without making the game fun, then it's pointless, and CCP can better use that time and money doing something else. Just because "something was promised" doesn't mean it's actually the best choice or direction for the game. Especially when it was promised by people who did a terrible job making decisions about the direction for the game. o_o There's something called immersion. Perhaps you've heard of it. I personally don't need racial parity, but it would be nice. Graphical representations of opposing factions would be expected of a game like Dust 514. It has a rich history to draw from (Eve Online). Not to mention player generated content. Having these non essential things is a sign of a well developed game. You know sniping is bad when even I refuse to do it.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4797	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:37:00 - [36] - Quote Ghural wrote: CCP made those promises. Blaming individuals is idiotic since they act with the approval of the overall management. The same company is still in charge. The level of management who approves such decisions is not the people running the game now. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 29	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:44:00 - [37] - Quote Hopefully not for Legion. I want DUST to have these first.
Jathniel G I A N T 1290	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:00:00 - [38] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Perhaps it is not me underestimating the impact, and more you underestimating the required investment. Additionally, nobody in this thread has come up with gameplay benefits to adding any of these things. "New/shiny!" is basically the strategy of the original development. Putting things into the game without any idea how they should work in relation to everything else. (See HAVs, cloaks, etc.) This was dumb. What this thread seems to be asking for, is more of what got DUST into such a bad place to begin with. What's with all the hostility? I've always shown respect to CPM members. Why are you attributing ill-motive to me and my thread? Every single one of your posts in this thread so far seems to be coming off of some kind of condescending handle. My OP was not made in a spirit of entitlement or demand. It was however, made in ignorance. Hence why I asked questions. Were these originally planned additions, things that we would see in Dust or not? Perhaps the emboldened and underlined text gave the wrong impression? lol (EDIT: Apparently, there is some kind underlying tone of negativity on the forums. So special effort must be made for a post to be understood in a benign nature. Post text updated.) Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Ghural WarRavens Capital Punishment. 334	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:00:00 - [39] - Quote And yet Soyara you haven't come up with a good enough reason why we can't have some of the things the OP suggested. We all know that things like PVE is never coming to Dust. But The fact that you personally don't want something like racial MMCs doesn't mean others don't, and isn't in itself a good enough reason for CCP not to consider it. Unless of course you are their sole customer, in which case please continue to act like yours is the sole opinion that matters.
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 937	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:11:00 - [40] - Quote Trying to get off my condescending handle right now. You know sniping is bad when even I refuse to do it.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4797	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:13:00 - [41] - Quote Jathniel wrote: What's with all the hostility? I'm not hostile. I'm not "attributing ill-motive" to you. Why is telling you the request is a bad idea "hostile"? And with regards to your thread edit, you might notice I was responding to True Adamance, not you. ;) I did intend to answer general questions about the thread, but a lot of my posts in the thread have been in response to other people. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jathniel G I A N T 1290	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:59:00 - [42] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Jathniel wrote: What's with all the hostility? I'm not hostile. I'm not "attributing ill-motive" to you. Why is telling you the request is a bad idea "hostile"? And with regards to your thread edit, you might notice I was responding to True Adamance, not you. ;) I did intend to answer general questions about the thread, but a lot of my posts in the thread have been in response to other people. Well, hostility was the impression I got from your responses to other people (I can see how Sinboto may have seemed to be rubbing you the wrong way, but even he warned you that your verbiage was "inviting confrontation".) Especially... Soraya Xel wrote: Shortsighted would be someone who can't get over a presentation from two years ago, and has CCP waste months of effort for minimal to nonexistent gains. Your responding to his veiled insult, by pretty much insulting everyone that actually cared to see these additions? Look, I just wanted to ask Rattati a few questions, not start a fire. Namely, if he knew about these previous concepts and if bringing them to Dust was still in the cards. That's all. I wasn't "requesting" anything else but information. How is that a bad idea? Look man, I'm just going drop it. I'm sorry dude. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2014.11.22 05:07:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Perhaps it is not me underestimating the impact, and more you underestimating the required investment. Additionally, nobody in this thread has come up with gameplay benefits to adding any of these things. "New/shiny!" is basically the strategy of the original development. Putting things into the game without any idea how they should work in relation to everything else. (See HAVs, cloaks, etc.) This was dumb. What this thread seems to be asking for, is more of what got DUST into such a bad place to begin with. So new content is bad and CCP should focus on "balancing" the content that is currently in the game?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4797	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:11:00 - [44] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: So new content is ill advised and should not be considered right now, and CCP should focus on "balancing" the content that is currently in the game? Is it not possible for the company to consider how will to integrate new content well not breaking the game? I didn't say that. Content should be added if it's benefits to gameplay is worth the cost of implementation. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4797	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:19:00 - [45] - Quote Jathniel, I have no problem with you asking the status of these things. And I think I probably covered the answer in there. My primary nerve people struck was this "But CCP promised me!" line a few people spouted. Because it's juvenile. CCP never said "I pinky promise this stuff is going to be in the game." And about half the stuff CCP has shown at Fanfest in the last ten years has never actually happened. Not to mention it's a completely different studio that made that presentation for all intents and purposes. If people have thoughts on why such and such is important to get into the game, that's worthwhile feedback. But the "But CCP promised me" comments will incur ire. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5029	Posted - 2014.11.22 08:12:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True Adamance wrote: I believe you can only attain a true and meaningful sense of balance when all core racial content is in the game. True: Again, what content does the Amarr and Minmatar MCCs provide? "Racial content" is nonsense, because racial versions in themselves, provide no content. If there are ways they are different from existing versions, then perhaps you have content. Assuming they could be piloted, or boarded and destroyed from the inside, then quite a bit I wager. On a more realistic front however, then there might be other designable differences regarding future gameplay. If more ways of damaging an MCC are created, and each MCC had different amounts of shield/armor along with their own racial resistances, one might consider the additional MCC's to be valid content. And truthfully, even a piece of background is still observable content, even if the interaction is minimal. Somebody spent the time to make those weird amarr structures in the background of the toxic mood. That wasn't necessary. They could've made the Amarr MCC instead. A choice was made there, and a questionable one. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2547	Posted - 2014.11.22 09:27:00 - [47] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rattati has said he doesn't feel about to some extent to previous promises and obligations made by his predecessors and instead prefers to look into number fixes.....or something along those lines. I would not say Rattati prefers number fixes over previous content promises. What I would say, is he prefers things that make the game better over previous content promises. For instance, can anyone theorize what the Amarr and Minmatar MCCs would do to benefit gameplay? Would they make gameplay more fun? I understand there are some racial purists, like True here, but I don't believe in racial parity for racial parity's sake personally. I want game mechanics. I want gameplay. If something is going to add gameplay that is equal or greater to the cost and time it will take CCP to put it in, let's do it. But if it's just going to add "one more thing" without making the game fun, then it's pointless, and CCP can better use that time and money doing something else. Just because "something was promised" doesn't mean it's actually the best choice or direction for the game. Especially when it was promised by people who did a terrible job making decisions about the direction for the game. o_o IF we could board the enemy MCC and there was a game mode where we eventually took the battle to the MCC`s (think BF2142 Titan mode) then HELL YES we would need the other 2 races MCC'`s. However being realistic here, unless we have actual features and gameplay around them, no we really dont need those right now. I would love however to see full racial lineups for the vehicles and weapons (specifically heavy weapons). "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4799	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:05:00 - [48] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: That being said I think it would do the game and the community a whole world of good the sooner CCP can at least give some sort of basic roadmap for the future of DUST 514. Also any roadmap they can share about Legion. We all appreciate the recent updates and stuff but we are very curious and cautious about the future for these games. I fully agree. I hope CCP will share some of this information soon. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4685	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:11:00 - [49] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: We should be getting the other MCC's and knives in DUST, I honestly can't see why not. I know, it's just a 3d model right? I remember thinking " It will surely be in 1.2 " i mean why bother wit lore, races and the whole One universe mallarky when you're a gallente jumping out of a Caldari Mcc, don't get me started on FW. It's a damn shame, thats what it is. Every race using a Caldari Warbarge with th Caldari banner flowing on top. Disgusting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10301	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:35:00 - [50] - Quote http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nn8ThFVx-1E/UNpz1SuKVhI/AAAAAAAAAcM/chIi-cPGRxk/s640/dust+514+rogue+drone+2.png Hold on a second... Is that a shotgun hooked up to the drone on the right? On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10301	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:50:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Perhaps it is not me underestimating the impact, and more you underestimating the required investment. Additionally, nobody in this thread has come up with gameplay benefits to adding any of these things. "New/shiny!" is basically the strategy of the original development. Putting things into the game without any idea how they should work in relation to everything else. (See HAVs, cloaks, etc.) This was dumb. What this thread seems to be asking for, is more of what got DUST into such a bad place to begin with. I don't think that was the original intent on the part of the OP. I do agree that slapping on a new shiny is not what improves or benefits the game. It's how you implement that shiny that does. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
LowerThan SnakeShip The Scope Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:53:00 - [52] - Quote heres a compromise make racial mcc then make them able to be boarded
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 153	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:12:00 - [53] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: So new content is ill advised and should not be considered right now, and CCP should focus on "balancing" the content that is currently in the game? Is it not possible for the company to consider how will to integrate new content well not breaking the game? I didn't say that. Content should be added if it's benefits to gameplay is worth the cost of implementation. What new content would you suggest?
Sigourney Reever Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 50	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:00:00 - [54] - Quote attempting to bring things back on topic, way to derail things CPM.. Jathniel wrote: I noticed there were things that were originally planned for the game a while back. The Frame system for customized weapons. http://rakshasa.no/downloads/eve/wallpapers/smg_modelsheet1200x2133.jpg Almost certainly not possible for dust, probably not on the table for Legion (given CCPs track record across all their properties) Jathniel wrote: Aircraft, the last two MCCs, medium vehicles, and (the last two on the bottom right.... are "bikes"?) http://i.imgur.com/4xNAmjj.png As far as Racial Parity for vehicles, multiple other threads are proposing we use the existing models with different HP profiles and bonuses to mimic what would be a new model for HAV, LAV and DS. Take the MAV off the table unless there's a single model of it working, then add 4 variations again using just color and database changes. Realistically, all that is needed that is NEW NEW and not just tweaked existing assets are the small and large turrets, 4 total items (small laser, small artillery, large laser, large artillery) A Laser Turret is a direct LoS weapon, so no redesign of mechanics there, use the Rail Turret's mechanics. Just a new turret model and animation (which we've seen redesigns of both in the new plasma and mass driver effects) A simple color change would go a long way to looking past the lack of a new laser turret model.. An Artillery Turret would be really really fun i think if an arcing mechanic similar to the Mass Driver was used, Its probably the bulk of any work down this line of thinking. But again, not a completely new thing, mostly an iteration on existing systems. Jathniel wrote: The other melee weapons... http://i.imgur.com/uoQpwnJ.jpg This seems less important to me personally, it'd be as complex as adding any new weapons, again something that's been done plenty of times since Dust development um, 'was reconfigured' Jathniel wrote: The other tanks and cars... http://newmmorpgames.ru/uploads/posts/2013-06/1370063245_dust-514.png Again, simply coming up with stats that fit the profiles of each race, modifying the colors of existing models and calling it 'ammar HAV' would most likely be better than having nothing at all. Especially if the new turrets were added, a little would go a long way. Jathniel wrote: Then there were these guys... http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f2/09/19/f2091904e87ea5246566bf39b48bc686.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nn8ThFVx-1E/UNpz1SuKVhI/AAAAAAAAAcM/chIi-cPGRxk/s640/dust+514+rogue+drone+2.png Electronic weapon sight (on AR) (something we actually HAD, that was taken away) http://www.gamearthub.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/555_max.jpg Obviously this is beyond CCPs capabilities. While we've seen animations and stills, we've never seen anything approaching gameplay, in Dust or Legion.. So the end sum of NEW NEW work (beyond mostly copy/paste tweaked versions of existing assets/models/skills) to add Full Racial Parity for all Vehicles is the creation of 2 new weapon processes, each with a small and large variant. We've seen the same thing happen with the MagSMG and RR effectively. It took what, 2-4 months? Given that this is a shorter amount of time than it seems to take to develop a single new map, I'd say it sounds like a great way to add a large amount of content which in turn will change gameplay for all players.
GRIMm grin Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:42:00 - [55] - Quote These would be awesome additions but your going about it the wrong way getting angry and insulting the devs won't change anything me personally you ask me to do something while insulting me and I wouldn't do a ** thing but if you said why this would be a good idea and tried to help with ideas and showed support things might go better for one I think this is a fantastic game yes things have been broken but honestly I couldn't think of ways to fix them it is a challenging venture that requires quite a bit of resources but the whole point of this post quit insulting the developers bring ideas to the table the more of us that support a idea the more likely things are to change I mean who doesn't want to see new turrets? And jets ** YES that would be amazing not to mention that sexy modular weapon system that looks AMAZING
Ghural WarRavens Capital Punishment. 338	Posted - 2014.11.22 21:26:00 - [56] - Quote Soraya's argument basically came down to, "I don't want it, therefor it's not content". He completely overlooks that there is no strict definition for "content" and it means different things to different people, and that his role on the CPM does not entitle him to be the sole definer of what is "content". And the whole "well if you want it, come up with a gameplay reason for it" is getting old, some of this stuff has been talked about for years and gameplay reasons already suggested. There is very little else we can do other than like the OP did, which was to ask if these things were still a possibility.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 186	Posted - 2014.11.22 21:48:00 - [57] - Quote I would consider the remaining tanks, dropships and turrents additional and usefull content. They would not only bring racial representation and more immersion i.e. why would only the Gallente and the Caldari have the tech to build dropships? But they would possibly add extra dynamics to the game e.g a minmatar dropship quicker than the existing ones but less shield and Armour.... (I dont know if thats a good idea as I dont fly them but you get what i mean?) Again if these Legion will be released it should have this parity from the start not part finished the way dust was/is. CCP doesn't need our approval (or does it, is our continued custom actually that approval?) but it would be nice to see where the product is heading or something that represents CCP's overall vision for the game(s). Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14941	Posted - 2014.11.23 00:01:00 - [58] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True Adamance wrote: I believe you can only attain a true and meaningful sense of balance when all core racial content is in the game. True: Again, what content does the Amarr and Minmatar MCCs provide? "Racial content" is nonsense, because racial versions in themselves, provide no content. If there are ways they are different from existing versions, then perhaps you have content. MCC nothing but LAV, HAV, DS. If nothing else the MCC provides a fair racial depiction. Mechanically it does nothing but there is not reason as consumers we should expect a half finished game.... I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Grimmiers 720	Posted - 2014.11.23 00:12:00 - [59] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rattati has said he doesn't feel about to some extent to previous promises and obligations made by his predecessors and instead prefers to look into number fixes.....or something along those lines. I would not say Rattati prefers number fixes over previous content promises. What I would say, is he prefers things that make the game better over previous content promises. For instance, can anyone theorize what the Amarr and Minmatar MCCs would do to benefit gameplay? Would they make gameplay more fun? I understand there are some racial purists, like True here, but I don't believe in racial parity for racial parity's sake personally. I want game mechanics. I want gameplay. If something is going to add gameplay that is equal or greater to the cost and time it will take CCP to put it in, let's do it. But if it's just going to add "one more thing" without making the game fun, then it's pointless, and CCP can better use that time and money doing something else. Just because "something was promised" doesn't mean it's actually the best choice or direction for the game. Especially when it was promised by people who did a terrible job making decisions about the direction for the game. o_o That commander mode would be great and that would be best with all racial mcc's
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2288	Posted - 2014.11.23 00:28:00 - [60] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nn8ThFVx-1E/UNpz1SuKVhI/AAAAAAAAAcM/chIi-cPGRxk/s640/dust+514+rogue+drone+2.png Hold on a second... Is that a shotgun hooked up to the drone on the right? No it's a sci-fi HEMI V6 engine, with the output being a flamethrower(aka the "exhaust") In all seriousness, it probably isn't. We all know Scouts are the only thing that can fit Shotties. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'



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