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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:00:00 -
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- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:03:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
It only has a 55m optimal I believe. After that it loses damage. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:03:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
its fine.. RR was/is worse at 101m max range automatic weapon stupidly accurate ADS and very high dmg per shot/clip AND its a weapon which does more damage to armor then shields
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:09:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
its fine.. RR was/is worse at 101m max range automatic weapon stupidly accurate ADS and very high dmg per shot/clip AND its a weapon which does more damage to armor then shiseld
The breach ar does more dps, has more damage per clip, no charge time, and no recoil. It absolutely destroys rail rifles unless engaging at 80+ meters, which is easily avoidable.
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LudiKure ninda
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:15:00 -
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I have gal assault and yes Breach AR is werry OP.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
485
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:18:00 -
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It's broken as hell compared to the other Assault rifles. Fix it.
Take a bow
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:19:00 -
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Nerf Mag size to 32 instead of 36.
Nerf Carried Ammo to 192.
Nerf Range to 40m instead of 44m.
Fixed.
Please, make my Opus pretty...
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:20:00 -
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Breach AR dont kill a fly after 55m.
Ho and now RR is a piece of crap.
Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be.
Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:33:00 -
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Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:34:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you.
I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:44:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless.
Well you mentioned it so I went with that. I won't argue against the standard AR getting a buff (tac works well enough, not sure about the burst) though I still do quite well with it as well. The CR is horrible at eating through shields now but a fluxed CR user can easily beat a fluxed BAR user especially if he stays out of the BAR's optimal though that's a bit harder done than said since there's only a 10m difference in their optimals.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:52:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless. Well you mentioned it so I went with that. I won't argue against the standard AR getting a buff (tac works well enough, not sure about the burst) though I still do quite well with it as well. The CR is horrible at eating through shields now but a fluxed CR user can easily beat a fluxed BAR user especially if he stays out of the BAR's optimal though that's a bit harder done than said since there's only a 10m difference in their optimals.
The ar or tac do not need buffs, both work very well. The problem is the breach. The CR vs BAR part is a flat out lie.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:57:00 -
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Breach AR needs to define it's purpose a bit.
I personally feel it's purpose of a higher DPS than the intended all purpose cqc-medium weapon duvolle at the cost of efficiency at range (optimal brought down to 30m) and you give it a lower clip so it's best used in tight cqc environments and punishing if you miss bullets. Needs to have a longer reload time than the other plasma weaponry (+50%) so you need to take that extra 1/2 a sec to second before reigning down more of that alpha damage.
It needs to be best suited to breaching a door, but be at a disadvantage facing people outside it's range, do a little less alpha than the scrambler (because while the clip will work like the scr's overheat, you aren't vulnerable at the point of overheat, jsut need to swap to sidearm if you're still engaged) and the DPS outside it's optimal needs to be enough of a deterrent that you aren't beating other rifles in effective DPS at their intended ranges due to the high accuracy of the weapon.
In Destiny terms, it's a shadow price with field scout equipped. You have the dps, range, and clip to down multiple opponents with ease an you've negated it's principal mitigating factor.
Dunno if that made any sense.
But yeah ARR is **** compared to the breach.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.13 23:04:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Thumb Green wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless. Well you mentioned it so I went with that. I won't argue against the standard AR getting a buff (tac works well enough, not sure about the burst) though I still do quite well with it as well. The CR is horrible at eating through shields now but a fluxed CR user can easily beat a fluxed BAR user especially if he stays out of the BAR's optimal though that's a bit harder done than said since there's only a 10m difference in their optimals. The ar or tac do not need buffs, both work very well. The problem is the breach. The CR vs BAR part is a flat out lie.
Alright, I'd be willing to prove it. We can squad up later tonight (or some other night if tonight isn't convenient for you) and team kill each other in FW. You use the BAR and I'll use the CR, we'll flux each other and then open fire on each other while standing completely still. If you want we can do a best out of # (your choice).
Edit: we can even go with the same suit set up where possible other than the weapon of course. While I can't record directly from the screen, I do have a camera I can record it on so you'll be able to see that I didn't throw a damage mod on that you didn't or something like that.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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Ablerober
Pretty Violence
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Posted - 2014.11.13 23:11:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
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Mejt0
Puff n Puffers
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:32:00 -
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Of course BrAR is good. It have 55m range. It should have dmg advantage because of it poor range.
And yes. Ar should be best at it optimal.
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Markiplier fan.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:34:00 -
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The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths.
Your opinion is invalid. |
Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:36:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths.
Your opinion is invalid.
I've been using this weapon since it got buffed. I knew just by lookibg at the stats that it would be OP before it even shipped.
Its a little OP. Its outdoing the AR at its own job.
Please, make my Opus pretty...
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:37:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet.
Your opinion is invalid.
lmao
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:35:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet.
Your opinion is invalid.
That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these forums.
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Zindorak
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:39:00 -
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Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:42:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm
Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR).
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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Zindorak
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:43:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Zindorak wrote:Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR).
wat
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:46:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Zindorak wrote:Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). wat
I'm weird.....
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:46:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Imp Smash wrote:The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet.
Your opinion is invalid. That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these forums.
Don't really see how. 
It may be OP -- but we can't know for sure yet. I, for one, am still waiting on more data and experience being killed by it in a larger variety of situations before making judgements.
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Zindorak
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:47:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Zindorak wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Zindorak wrote:Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). wat I'm weird.....
ok
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Commander Noctus
Gallente Loyalist
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Posted - 2014.11.14 02:00:00 -
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Let's stop for a second and think of the Gallente line of rifles in general.
The Assault/Plasma Rifle line of weapons are meant for what range?
-Short to Mid (aka, "CQC")
Outside of their range, are the Assault/Plasma Rifle specialized variants as effect as their other racial counterparts?
-No (aside from Assault variants) the racial variants far outdo the Gallente iterations (Combat dominates our Burst AR)
Now, with that in mind, let's ask ourselves a few questions regarding the Breach variant.
What is it this gun is meant to do?
-Deal the most damage at CQC per bullet
Does this CQC oriented weapon destroy at farther ranges that make it comparable to the Rail Rifle, it's closest competitor?
-No, it does not. The Rail Rifle is clearly superior in that aspect, from Mid and beyond.
Moving on to one final topic, regarding why people suddenly think it's apparently so OP.
Why do I want this gun nerfed?
-If your answer is "Because I'm totally wrecking with it, so it must be OP!", then ask yourself the next question.
----At what range are you "totally wrecking with it"?
---------If the answer to THAT is "Close to mid range", then your argument is invalid, as THAT'S THE RANGE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD AT.
---------If the answer to that is "Mid to Far", please attempt using the Rail Rifle at the same range and notice how much MORE you wreck with that gun instead. Also, perform tests with valid data or wait for Rattati to provide his own for you.
-If your answer is "Because I'm totally getting wrecked by it, so it must be OP!", then ask yourself the next question
----At what range are you "totally getting wrecked" by it at?
---------If the answer to THAT is "Close to mid range" then your argument is invalid, as THAT'S THE RANGE IT'S SUPPOSED TO DESTROY YOU AT.
---------If the answer to that is "Mid to Far", please note how easily, or how much more easily, you get wrecked by: Rail Rifles, Combat Rifles (burst variant specifically), Sniper Rifles, and Laser Rifles (via Aki Tan in particular). Also, please provide numerical evidence to support your claim, or wait for Rattati to provide his own for you.
Granted, I find it odd that the Breach has a higher DPS than the Assault, I don't believe it is in need of a nerf. At all. Especially considering many posting here I've personally seen using ranged weapons to keep Gallente users far, far away from them, rendering them comparatively ineffective. Can't comment on kick/recoil. I've got R4 Sharpshooter. And R5 gk.0 Assault.
TL;DR, the gun is good at its own range, people dying outside it need to provide evidence (graphs, spreadsheets, etc) instead of tears.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.14 02:25:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
Dear OP.
BAR is not OP. its sevearly limited on range. max range is 71m but effective range is like 50m but to be somewhat accurate you need to dump ALOT of sp into sharpshooter skill where as RR was up to 101m with effective of like 70odd meters and didnt need any huge sp dump into sharpshooting.
BAR also does not have a scope to emphasize on its CQB-ness.. AR are ment to have high dps at close range.. unlike how RR were stupidly dominant at any range from 0 to 100m
also if we were to throw in damage profiles the RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor...
the AR suck against armor where as they only excell against shields..
so i put it to you mister OP, its only shield tanked scouts and shield tankers in general who are whining like little girls about the BAR when RR was OP for like a year and all you guys just defended it to hell and back .
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.11.14 02:36:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
- no recoil ( so?, least RoF to achieve that recoil)
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon ( and least range next to SMG's)
- 74 m range ( This is effective, not OPTIMAL range. HMG's kill me at 50mts so....)
- insanely accurate hipfire ( yeas, as ALL breach weapons)
- very high damage per clip (Yeah but very low RoF so taht damage is applied a LOT slower than, say a Duvolle AR or a ACR)
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
Close i can win with AR's, CR, ACR... MEd i can win with AR, TAC, SCR, ARR... Long i WILL win with LR, SCR and RR.
You are insane. Breach si not OP, you are just engaging Breach AR's at an incorrect range.
yes , I USE it. No, i didnt start using it when 1.9 hit.
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Jack the Rlpper
Fearless Infinity
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Posted - 2014.11.14 04:07:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:I have gal assault and yes Breach AR is werry OP.
whats a good bar build?
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Myron Kundera
The Generals
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:21:00 -
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Breach Plasma Rifle is not OP and (lol) it-¦s by far not one of the best rifles around in this game. CR and ScrR are way better.
"Greed, the forgotten mental disease"
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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:37:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
The weakness is how little damage it does at a distance. I play with that Breach Assault Rifle and if my team doesn't advance on the enemy I am stuck at a distance that doesn't allow me to accomplish much of anything. |
Ku Shala
The Generals
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:47:00 -
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range on breach is twice what it should be it has replaced my RR for the time being in cqc and Long range.
it also seems to be sexually attracted to scouts for pray and spray. fires as fast as you can pull the trigger possibly made by jacobs
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:16:00 -
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No the other AR variants need buffin but I ain't been on for awhile, prob get back on my gal mando breach/plc fit
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John ShepardIII
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:18:00 -
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The duvolle Tac is better than the breach AR
It does more DMG
More range
Faster rof
Only down side is the small clip so you actually have to be good at aiming to use it
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:24:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:range on breach is twice what it should be it has replaced my RR for the time being in cqc and Long range.
it also seems to be sexually attracted to scouts for pray and spray. fires as fast as you can pull the trigger possibly made by jacobs
And that right there is just full of bullsh!t. Ain't no way anyone is using it for a long range weapon. The only way you're killing anybody with it at long range is if other people are shooting at them and you're lucky enough to get the last hit or the dumb ass is stupid enough to sit there and let you kill them. Its optimal doesn't go beyond short range (for this game we'll consider short range as less than 50m since how almost everyone's sense of range is so fubar) and it's effective doesn't even make it to long range. At 72 meters away it's doing at most 30% of its damage and once it passes the end of its effective the damage just starts to drop even faster.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:30:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
Are you F***ING serious!!! It's SUPPOSED to kill you at close range!!! THAT'S IT'S JOB!!! Also, it's low recoil is due to low fire rate! Add the sharpshooter skill and the gallente bonus (which is the only thing it's good for), and the be reach is currently the only good gal weapon! If you have level 5 gal assault, level 5 sharpshooter, and level 5 proficiency your gonna rip guys to shreds with a creadron breach in close as its supposed to do!
If I'm out in the open with a assault rifle of any variant trying to out gun rail rifles I'm gonna die! It's supposed to kill me at long range! The problem I had with the rail is it's deadly accuracy with no sharpshooter skill requirements, and it's hipfire accuracy in CQC that was better than mine?! It would out perform me in my optimal all the time! Now it doesn't, and that's a good thing!
The scrambler is a different story though! It rips my armor to shreds, and it being a shield weapon you can see my issue there?! It also has no sharpshooter requirements, but is deadly accurate?? It's hit detection is A1, hipfire A1, and range is great too! One of the best sights around to boot! Damage is off the charts, and against shields I get it, but armor??
When CCP fixes the TAR hit detection it will do the same as the scrambler, and you guys will complain that it's OP watch. Funny how the scrambler isn't ever considered OP?? The rail rifle was defended for a year, and it was OP, but now all of a sudden the breach AR is OP after being buffed for a month or more smh?!
What weapon would you like me as a gallente assault to use? I'm dual tank by lore, short range, and shield damage weapons. If I rock eWAR I fall short of scouts eWAR, and I lose some protection to only see heavies too late and hide from other assaults?! Then I got these Gimped weapons in at close range?? You guys aren't considering the whole layout at all!
When considering a nerf you must not just evaluate the weapon, but also the user and situations on the battlefield! As a gal assault or commando(where the gal weapon bonuses are best) you fight in CQC. You don't have time to reload more than once to down a target! You're armored, slow, and everyone has weapons that eat armor! Heaves and scouts around every corner, peek your head out and get railed, remotes, mass drivers, logi trains, etc. It's a nightmare! We don't have all that open space and time to pick a target like the Caldari, and rail him down from a safe distance. Our targets pick us, and we have to react!
Plasma cannon is great.... if you hit em?! IF not your reload better be level 5! Shotguns are great, but most don't get in range of those because they have scramblers and rails. If they do it's with hmg's, remotes, and more shotguns?! The shotgun scout picks you apart, and the hmg heavy usually have a logi strapped to em so the shotgun won't finish him?! Try shooting at two logis and a heavy with anything other than the breach!
You guys just want to run in and take the point uncontested?! Move out guy there's no way it's OP as the rail was/is, or the scrambler?! You nerf the breach then you must want a scrambler nerf!
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Zaria Min Deir
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
847
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:51:00 -
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All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.
And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State?
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:04:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.
And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State?
My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC.
NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS!
I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR.
and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range.
I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:34:00 -
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the only issue with the breach is its range. with sharpshooter 5 and a gb-9 i can happily kill infantry at around 70m (scoped) in CQC hip fire its the beast its supposed to be (gal assault 5) drop its range so its around 50-60m with SS5 and it'll be fine. an SB-38 will still chew you a new one by teh time you're in range. the issue tends not to be the weapon but the suit its used on.
also its OP'ness is more noticeable becasue peopel saw it got a crazy damge buff and so people migrate towards it and because RR's CQC got nerfed and the ARR can take a little more getting used to with iron sights and the higher rate of fire.
drop the breachs range a bit and it'll be fine
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:46:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.
And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC. NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS! I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now.
This is actually what i feel from OP.
The RR of caldari was nerfed (righfully) and now they want punish oposite weaponary 
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:48:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.
And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC. NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS! I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now. This is actually what i feel from OP. The RR of caldari was nerfed (righfully) and now they want punish oposite weaponary
I don't have a single sp in rail rifles
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:56:00 -
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wow the breach AR has been OP since hot fix delta came out a little over 2 months ago and yall noobs are barely getting caught wind of this???? seriously STFU.
PC slayer of gods.
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G Felix
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:58:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.
And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC. NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS! I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now.
Thanks for summing up how all these BAR threads sound to me. I seriously hope Rattati doesn't buy into this nonsense and cooler heads prevail. I have yet to see any objective data that shows the BAR is over performing outside of it's intended role. If a short-med range weapon is effective at short-med range, I don't think that qualifies as OP.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
472
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:59:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
its fine.. RR was/is worse at 101m max range automatic weapon stupidly accurate ADS and very high dmg per shot/clip AND its a weapon which does more damage to armor then shields
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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:08:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:- no recoil
- best dps of any auotomatic weapon
- 74 m range
- insanely accurate hipfire
- very high damage per clip
The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range.
The same will happen to the breach assault rifle as did the combat rifle (buffed to 35.2 DPS, nerfed back down)
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2842
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:08:00 -
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When Minmitar and Amarr assaults use only the BrAR, you know its broke.
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
224
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:10:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:wow the breach AR has been OP since hot fix delta came out a little over 2 months ago and yall noobs are barely getting caught wind of this???? seriously STFU.
Been killed by your own officer AR yet
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
390
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:22:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.
And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR.
and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now.
THIS is what I like to see. Someone who wants information on performance instead of knee-jerk emotional responses. |
Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
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Thumb Green wrote:Zindorak wrote:Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR).
I f you don't have prof 5 you're gonna die?! Militia RR level 5 no proficiency? Golden!
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:43:00 -
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ARs shred my frontline suit, but are not close enough most of the time to do anything. I have not run into a laser yet I can't imagine the horror.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:55:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Zindorak wrote:Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). I f you don't have prof 5 you're gonna die?! Militia RR level 5 no proficiency? Golden!
I think you quoted the wrong person? Cause I'm not sure what that has to do with what I or Zindorak said.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:55:00 -
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maluble
Art.of.Death
VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.16 00:36:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet.
Your opinion is invalid.
You mean fotm users who went from one rifle to the next? Im guessing thats you considering your weak attempt to defend it. The basic varient does over 2000 damage per mag. Thats more that enough to take down the tankiest of heavys. I used the bar and it's ridiculously op. The beat way to tell a weapon is op is by watching the kill feed and/or seeing min cal even amarr assault using it. Now if your willing to use a rifle on a suit that has a bonus to a different rifle that shows it outclasses the other rifles. |
Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
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Posted - 2014.11.16 01:08:00 -
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I absolutely love my breach ar. and coming form a point where its practically all I use on the gall assault, minus some cases where i use the exile. the std ar variant is actually a lot more versatile than the breach like it should be.
anyway.
the basic breach ar is quite powerful and anywhere between 0-40m is its best damage a.k.a optimal, past 40m all the way to just under say 60m is its effective range, damage loss is quite notable, but still enough to cause some pain, although heavy armour users will more than likely shrug it off. past 60m is pointless to shoot as there is virtually no damage.
for the aiming, the breach ar is the 2nd most accuracte after the tac given how easy it is to fire off single/full auto rounds, or if your good enough quick trigger pulls that are effectively (or seems to be ) faster than the intended weapons rate of fire from just holding the trigger. due to the lowered rate of fire, it has tighter hip-fire, dispersion which allows it to be effective from hip-fire at roughly 40m where past 40m you would/might need to aim down sights, the kick is low if not there or not noticble and tracks quite well like a gallente weapon should and the iron sights are actually nice to use, then you take all of this into account and throw it on a gall assault and have fun with practically never missing with the AR or its varients (now if anyone wants to change the gall assault bonus to ROF increase like so many people suggest go ahead it will only make it op) so if your using a RR and loseing to a breach ar you'r more than likely either a bad ADS user or just too close for comfort or trying to hip-fire from 60m up
in conclusion, the Assault Rifle in general and its varients are the most balanced weapons in the game. and changing the gall assault bonus will only make the AR op and given how strong the breach is iam pretty sure no one will want it changed.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
396
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Posted - 2014.11.17 02:46:00 -
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maluble wrote:Imp Smash wrote:The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet.
Your opinion is invalid. You mean fotm users who went from one rifle to the next? Im guessing thats you considering your weak attempt to defend it. The basic varient does over 2000 damage per mag. Thats more that enough to take down the tankiest of heavys. I used the bar and it's ridiculously op. The beat way to tell a weapon is op is by watching the kill feed and/or seeing min cal even amarr assault using it. Now if your willing to use a rifle on a suit that has a bonus to a different rifle that shows it outclasses the other rifles.
Well I agree that when someone is using a rifle on a suit that has a different bonus is definitely a hint something is up, I usually try to get as much experience dieing to it in as many situations as possible. The gun is the best at what it does in its supposed range. Any gun that is in its supposed range should beat out nominal suit bonuses. Whether it performs outside that range, or the TTK is too low in its range, or not is still up for debate.
I personally have not picked up a BrAR since closed beta so I can't comment on how easy/hard it is to use now. I simply try to look at situations where I die objectively. Am I in a shield tanked suit with no cover and gun fighting a suit in it's optimal range? I'm not gonna ***** about it. Am I an armor tanker outside the gun's range and my hp poofs super fast? I might have something to say... Only once I start dieing in situations where I should have a significant advantage, or not dieing in situations when I have a significant disadvantage do I start to form an opinion.
Basically I need more data and experience getting killed by it to see an unbiased pattern and form a reasonable opinion. I *really* hate bias (as one of my earlier posts in this thread mentioned.)
I also can't say the kill feed is the best indicator. It IS an indicator of people trying something that wasn't killing them before that is killing them now. However, people and metagame take time to evolve. The current shotgun scout spam and RE frisbee FOTM didn't develop overnight. It took time for people to develop it. In the same way I think it will take time for us to work through BrAR and see if there are fair and reasonble ways to fight it or if it truly is OP.
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