DUST Search - The breach assault rifle needs a nerf

postapo wastelander wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Zaria Min Deir wrote:

All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.

And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State?

My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC.

NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS!

I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR.

and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range.

I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now.

This is actually what i feel from OP.
The RR of caldari was nerfed (righfully) and now they want punish oposite weaponary Pirate

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Myron Kundera The Generals 105	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:21:00 - [31] - Quote Breach Plasma Rifle is not OP and (lol) it-¦s by far not one of the best rifles around in this game. CR and ScrR are way better. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 26	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:37:00 - [32] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. The weakness is how little damage it does at a distance. I play with that Breach Assault Rifle and if my team doesn't advance on the enemy I am stuck at a distance that doesn't allow me to accomplish much of anything.
Ku Shala The Generals 1015	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:47:00 - [33] - Quote range on breach is twice what it should be it has replaced my RR for the time being in cqc and Long range. it also seems to be sexually attracted to scouts for pray and spray. fires as fast as you can pull the trigger possibly made by jacobs *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1291	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:16:00 - [34] - Quote No the other AR variants need buffin but I ain't been on for awhile, prob get back on my gal mando breach/plc fit Original Commando, before all you posers just saying
John ShepardIII Capital Acquisitions LLC 1055	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:18:00 - [35] - Quote The duvolle Tac is better than the breach AR It does more DMG More range Faster rof Only down side is the small clip so you actually have to be good at aiming to use it The True Shepard Lvl 1 Forum Warrior
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1732	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:24:00 - [36] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: range on breach is twice what it should be it has replaced my RR for the time being in cqc and Long range. it also seems to be sexually attracted to scouts for pray and spray. fires as fast as you can pull the trigger possibly made by jacobs And that right there is just full of bullsh!t. Ain't no way anyone is using it for a long range weapon. The only way you're killing anybody with it at long range is if other people are shooting at them and you're lucky enough to get the last hit or the dumb ass is stupid enough to sit there and let you kill them. Its optimal doesn't go beyond short range (for this game we'll consider short range as less than 50m since how almost everyone's sense of range is so fubar) and it's effective doesn't even make it to long range. At 72 meters away it's doing at most 30% of its damage and once it passes the end of its effective the damage just starts to drop even faster. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 460	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:30:00 - [37] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. Are you F***ING serious!!! It's SUPPOSED to kill you at close range!!! THAT'S IT'S JOB!!! Also, it's low recoil is due to low fire rate! Add the sharpshooter skill and the gallente bonus (which is the only thing it's good for), and the be reach is currently the only good gal weapon! If you have level 5 gal assault, level 5 sharpshooter, and level 5 proficiency your gonna rip guys to shreds with a creadron breach in close as its supposed to do! If I'm out in the open with a assault rifle of any variant trying to out gun rail rifles I'm gonna die! It's supposed to kill me at long range! The problem I had with the rail is it's deadly accuracy with no sharpshooter skill requirements, and it's hipfire accuracy in CQC that was better than mine?! It would out perform me in my optimal all the time! Now it doesn't, and that's a good thing! The scrambler is a different story though! It rips my armor to shreds, and it being a shield weapon you can see my issue there?! It also has no sharpshooter requirements, but is deadly accurate?? It's hit detection is A1, hipfire A1, and range is great too! One of the best sights around to boot! Damage is off the charts, and against shields I get it, but armor?? When CCP fixes the TAR hit detection it will do the same as the scrambler, and you guys will complain that it's OP watch. Funny how the scrambler isn't ever considered OP?? The rail rifle was defended for a year, and it was OP, but now all of a sudden the breach AR is OP after being buffed for a month or more smh?! What weapon would you like me as a gallente assault to use? I'm dual tank by lore, short range, and shield damage weapons. If I rock eWAR I fall short of scouts eWAR, and I lose some protection to only see heavies too late and hide from other assaults?! Then I got these Gimped weapons in at close range?? You guys aren't considering the whole layout at all! When considering a nerf you must not just evaluate the weapon, but also the user and situations on the battlefield! As a gal assault or commando(where the gal weapon bonuses are best) you fight in CQC. You don't have time to reload more than once to down a target! You're armored, slow, and everyone has weapons that eat armor! Heaves and scouts around every corner, peek your head out and get railed, remotes, mass drivers, logi trains, etc. It's a nightmare! We don't have all that open space and time to pick a target like the Caldari, and rail him down from a safe distance. Our targets pick us, and we have to react! Plasma cannon is great.... if you hit em?! IF not your reload better be level 5! Shotguns are great, but most don't get in range of those because they have scramblers and rails. If they do it's with hmg's, remotes, and more shotguns?! The shotgun scout picks you apart, and the hmg heavy usually have a logi strapped to em so the shotgun won't finish him?! Try shooting at two logis and a heavy with anything other than the breach! You guys just want to run in and take the point uncontested?! Move out guy there's no way it's OP as the rail was/is, or the scrambler?! You nerf the breach then you must want a scrambler nerf! "Anybody order chaos?"
Zaria Min Deir TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 847	Posted - 2014.11.14 21:51:00 - [38] - Quote All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore. And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8447	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:04:00 - [39] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore. And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC. NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS! I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Nirwanda Vaughns 942	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:34:00 - [40] - Quote the only issue with the breach is its range. with sharpshooter 5 and a gb-9 i can happily kill infantry at around 70m (scoped) in CQC hip fire its the beast its supposed to be (gal assault 5) drop its range so its around 50-60m with SS5 and it'll be fine. an SB-38 will still chew you a new one by teh time you're in range. the issue tends not to be the weapon but the suit its used on. also its OP'ness is more noticeable becasue peopel saw it got a crazy damge buff and so people migrate towards it and because RR's CQC got nerfed and the ARR can take a little more getting used to with iron sights and the higher rate of fire. drop the breachs range a bit and it'll be fine Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner

postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 661	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:46:00 - [41] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore. And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC. NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS! I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now. This is actually what i feel from OP. The RR of caldari was nerfed (righfully) and now they want punish oposite weaponary *"Savvy"*
hfderrtgvcd 1167	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:48:00 - [42] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore. And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC. NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS! I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now. This is actually what i feel from OP. The RR of caldari was nerfed (righfully) and now they want punish oposite weaponary I don't have a single sp in rail rifles You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 819	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:56:00 - [43] - Quote wow the breach AR has been OP since hot fix delta came out a little over 2 months ago and yall noobs are barely getting caught wind of this???? seriously STFU. PC slayer of gods.
G Felix 152	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:58:00 - [44] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore. And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? My RR can no longer kill in CQC like it used to and I'm dying to too many CQC weapons in CQC. NERF IT NOAW, BUFF RR BACK TO OMNI STATUS! I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now. Thanks for summing up how all these BAR threads sound to me. I seriously hope Rattati doesn't buy into this nonsense and cooler heads prevail. I have yet to see any objective data that shows the BAR is over performing outside of it's intended role. If a short-med range weapon is effective at short-med range, I don't think that qualifies as OP. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 472	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:59:00 - [45] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. its fine.. RR was/is worse at 101m max range automatic weapon stupidly accurate ADS and very high dmg per shot/clip AND its a weapon which does more damage to armor then shields This made me lol, as did your post about FW.
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.11.15 00:08:00 - [46] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. The same will happen to the breach assault rifle as did the combat rifle (buffed to 35.2 DPS, nerfed back down) Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2842	Posted - 2014.11.15 00:08:00 - [47] - Quote When Minmitar and Amarr assaults use only the BrAR, you know its broke. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.11.15 00:10:00 - [48] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: wow the breach AR has been OP since hot fix delta came out a little over 2 months ago and yall noobs are barely getting caught wind of this???? seriously STFU. Been killed by your own officer AR yet Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 390	Posted - 2014.11.15 00:22:00 - [49] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore. And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now. THIS is what I like to see. Someone who wants information on performance instead of knee-jerk emotional responses.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 461	Posted - 2014.11.15 02:16:00 - [50] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Zindorak wrote: Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). I f you don't have prof 5 you're gonna die?! Militia RR level 5 no proficiency? Golden! "Anybody order chaos?"

Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 284	Posted - 2014.11.15 02:43:00 - [51] - Quote ARs shred my frontline suit, but are not close enough most of the time to do anything. I have not run into a laser yet I can't imagine the horror. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1743	Posted - 2014.11.15 02:55:00 - [52] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Zindorak wrote: Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). I f you don't have prof 5 you're gonna die?! Militia RR level 5 no proficiency? Golden! I think you quoted the wrong person? Cause I'm not sure what that has to do with what I or Zindorak said. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 53	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:55:00 - [53] - Quote Nay sir.
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 173	Posted - 2014.11.16 00:36:00 - [54] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet. Your opinion is invalid. You mean fotm users who went from one rifle to the next? Im guessing thats you considering your weak attempt to defend it. The basic varient does over 2000 damage per mag. Thats more that enough to take down the tankiest of heavys. I used the bar and it's ridiculously op. The beat way to tell a weapon is op is by watching the kill feed and/or seeing min cal even amarr assault using it. Now if your willing to use a rifle on a suit that has a bonus to a different rifle that shows it outclasses the other rifles.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 456	Posted - 2014.11.16 01:08:00 - [55] - Quote I absolutely love my breach ar. and coming form a point where its practically all I use on the gall assault, minus some cases where i use the exile. the std ar variant is actually a lot more versatile than the breach like it should be. anyway. the basic breach ar is quite powerful and anywhere between 0-40m is its best damage a.k.a optimal, past 40m all the way to just under say 60m is its effective range, damage loss is quite notable, but still enough to cause some pain, although heavy armour users will more than likely shrug it off. past 60m is pointless to shoot as there is virtually no damage. for the aiming, the breach ar is the 2nd most accuracte after the tac given how easy it is to fire off single/full auto rounds, or if your good enough quick trigger pulls that are effectively (or seems to be ) faster than the intended weapons rate of fire from just holding the trigger. due to the lowered rate of fire, it has tighter hip-fire, dispersion which allows it to be effective from hip-fire at roughly 40m where past 40m you would/might need to aim down sights, the kick is low if not there or not noticble and tracks quite well like a gallente weapon should and the iron sights are actually nice to use, then you take all of this into account and throw it on a gall assault and have fun with practically never missing with the AR or its varients (now if anyone wants to change the gall assault bonus to ROF increase like so many people suggest go ahead it will only make it op) so if your using a RR and loseing to a breach ar you'r more than likely either a bad ADS user or just too close for comfort or trying to hip-fire from 60m up in conclusion, the Assault Rifle in general and its varients are the most balanced weapons in the game. and changing the gall assault bonus will only make the AR op and given how strong the breach is iam pretty sure no one will want it changed. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 396	Posted - 2014.11.17 02:46:00 - [56] - Quote maluble wrote: Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet. Your opinion is invalid. You mean fotm users who went from one rifle to the next? Im guessing thats you considering your weak attempt to defend it. The basic varient does over 2000 damage per mag. Thats more that enough to take down the tankiest of heavys. I used the bar and it's ridiculously op. The beat way to tell a weapon is op is by watching the kill feed and/or seeing min cal even amarr assault using it. Now if your willing to use a rifle on a suit that has a bonus to a different rifle that shows it outclasses the other rifles. Well I agree that when someone is using a rifle on a suit that has a different bonus is definitely a hint something is up, I usually try to get as much experience dieing to it in as many situations as possible. The gun is the best at what it does in its supposed range. Any gun that is in its supposed range should beat out nominal suit bonuses. Whether it performs outside that range, or the TTK is too low in its range, or not is still up for debate. I personally have not picked up a BrAR since closed beta so I can't comment on how easy/hard it is to use now. I simply try to look at situations where I die objectively. Am I in a shield tanked suit with no cover and gun fighting a suit in it's optimal range? I'm not gonna ***** about it. Am I an armor tanker outside the gun's range and my hp poofs super fast? I might have something to say... Only once I start dieing in situations where I should have a significant advantage, or not dieing in situations when I have a significant disadvantage do I start to form an opinion. Basically I need more data and experience getting killed by it to see an unbiased pattern and form a reasonable opinion. I really hate bias (as one of my earlier posts in this thread mentioned.) I also can't say the kill feed is the best indicator. It IS an indicator of people trying something that wasn't killing them before that is killing them now. However, people and metagame take time to evolve. The current shotgun scout spam and RE frisbee FOTM didn't develop overnight. It took time for people to develop it. In the same way I think it will take time for us to work through BrAR and see if there are fair and reasonble ways to fight it or if it truly is OP. Knee jerk buffs/nerfs are bad.


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