DUST Search - The breach assault rifle needs a nerf

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Zaria Min Deir wrote:

All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore.

And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State?

I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR.

and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range.

I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now.


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Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 376	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:34:00 - [1] - Quote The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Your opinion is invalid.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 381	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:46:00 - [2] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet. Your opinion is invalid. That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these forums. Don't really see how. It may be OP -- but we can't know for sure yet. I, for one, am still waiting on more data and experience being killed by it in a larger variety of situations before making judgements. Because...you know... prejudice sucks and all...
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 390	Posted - 2014.11.15 00:22:00 - [3] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: All I hear in threads like these are the tears of all the RR users who are throwing a tantrum over the fact that their preshus widdle RR isn't dominating at all ranges anymore. And unfortunately, there are many many people who got too comfortable over the very long period of time when the RR was stupidly strong (at least compared to the ARs) and are having a hard time adjusting, now that the rifles have been adjusted to make a little more sense (not perfect, by all means, just not as insanely unbalanced as they used to be). Knowing Rattati, he will listen to the crying and start nerf hammering the ARs back to oblivion... long live the Caldari State? I'd really love to see the Data of the Breach AR. and I'd love to see a chart comparison of kills outside the weapons ideal range to the previous and Current RR's kills outside of its ideal range. I don't complain when I see Rail Rifles on Manus peak because that's their ideal environment but maybe I should start bitching whenever a RR kills me at 60 meters out now. THIS is what I like to see. Someone who wants information on performance instead of knee-jerk emotional responses.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 396	Posted - 2014.11.17 02:46:00 - [4] - Quote maluble wrote: Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet. Your opinion is invalid. You mean fotm users who went from one rifle to the next? Im guessing thats you considering your weak attempt to defend it. The basic varient does over 2000 damage per mag. Thats more that enough to take down the tankiest of heavys. I used the bar and it's ridiculously op. The beat way to tell a weapon is op is by watching the kill feed and/or seeing min cal even amarr assault using it. Now if your willing to use a rifle on a suit that has a bonus to a different rifle that shows it outclasses the other rifles. Well I agree that when someone is using a rifle on a suit that has a different bonus is definitely a hint something is up, I usually try to get as much experience dieing to it in as many situations as possible. The gun is the best at what it does in its supposed range. Any gun that is in its supposed range should beat out nominal suit bonuses. Whether it performs outside that range, or the TTK is too low in its range, or not is still up for debate. I personally have not picked up a BrAR since closed beta so I can't comment on how easy/hard it is to use now. I simply try to look at situations where I die objectively. Am I in a shield tanked suit with no cover and gun fighting a suit in it's optimal range? I'm not gonna ***** about it. Am I an armor tanker outside the gun's range and my hp poofs super fast? I might have something to say... Only once I start dieing in situations where I should have a significant advantage, or not dieing in situations when I have a significant disadvantage do I start to form an opinion. Basically I need more data and experience getting killed by it to see an unbiased pattern and form a reasonable opinion. I really hate bias (as one of my earlier posts in this thread mentioned.) I also can't say the kill feed is the best indicator. It IS an indicator of people trying something that wasn't killing them before that is killing them now. However, people and metagame take time to evolve. The current shotgun scout spam and RE frisbee FOTM didn't develop overnight. It took time for people to develop it. In the same way I think it will take time for us to work through BrAR and see if there are fair and reasonble ways to fight it or if it truly is OP. Knee jerk buffs/nerfs are bad.