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hfderrtgvcd 1153	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:00:00 - [1] - Quote - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 555	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:03:00 - [2] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. It only has a 55m optimal I believe. After that it loses damage.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1850	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:03:00 - [3] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. its fine.. RR was/is worse at 101m max range automatic weapon stupidly accurate ADS and very high dmg per shot/clip AND its a weapon which does more damage to armor then shields [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
hfderrtgvcd 1154	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:09:00 - [4] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. its fine.. RR was/is worse at 101m max range automatic weapon stupidly accurate ADS and very high dmg per shot/clip AND its a weapon which does more damage to armor then shiseld The breach ar does more dps, has more damage per clip, no charge time, and no recoil. It absolutely destroys rail rifles unless engaging at 80+ meters, which is easily avoidable. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game RUST415 151	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:15:00 - [5] - Quote I have gal assault and yes Breach AR is werry OP. ( -í° -£-û -í°) `SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED`
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 485	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:18:00 - [6] - Quote It's broken as hell compared to the other Assault rifles. Fix it. Take a bow
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1048	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:19:00 - [7] - Quote Nerf Mag size to 32 instead of 36. Nerf Carried Ammo to 192. Nerf Range to 40m instead of 44m. Fixed. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 264	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:20:00 - [8] - Quote Breach AR dont kill a fly after 55m. Ho and now RR is a piece of crap. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1721	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:33:00 - [9] - Quote Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
hfderrtgvcd 1154	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:34:00 - [10] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1721	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:44:00 - [11] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless. Well you mentioned it so I went with that. I won't argue against the standard AR getting a buff (tac works well enough, not sure about the burst) though I still do quite well with it as well. The CR is horrible at eating through shields now but a fluxed CR user can easily beat a fluxed BAR user especially if he stays out of the BAR's optimal though that's a bit harder done than said since there's only a 10m difference in their optimals. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
hfderrtgvcd 1155	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:52:00 - [12] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless. Well you mentioned it so I went with that. I won't argue against the standard AR getting a buff (tac works well enough, not sure about the burst) though I still do quite well with it as well. The CR is horrible at eating through shields now but *a fluxed CR user can easily beat a fluxed BAR user* especially if he stays out of the BAR's optimal though that's a bit harder done than said since there's only a 10m difference in their optimals. The ar or tac do not need buffs, both work very well. The problem is the breach. The CR vs BAR part is a flat out lie. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4490	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:57:00 - [13] - Quote Breach AR needs to define it's purpose a bit. I personally feel it's purpose of a higher DPS than the intended all purpose cqc-medium weapon duvolle at the cost of efficiency at range (optimal brought down to 30m) and you give it a lower clip so it's best used in tight cqc environments and punishing if you miss bullets. Needs to have a longer reload time than the other plasma weaponry (+50%) so you need to take that extra 1/2 a sec to second before reigning down more of that alpha damage. It needs to be best suited to breaching a door, but be at a disadvantage facing people outside it's range, do a little less alpha than the scrambler (because while the clip will work like the scr's overheat, you aren't vulnerable at the point of overheat, jsut need to swap to sidearm if you're still engaged) and the DPS outside it's optimal needs to be enough of a deterrent that you aren't beating other rifles in effective DPS at their intended ranges due to the high accuracy of the weapon. In Destiny terms, it's a shadow price with field scout equipped. You have the dps, range, and clip to down multiple opponents with ease an you've negated it's principal mitigating factor. Dunno if that made any sense. But yeah ARR is **** compared to the breach. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1723	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:04:00 - [14] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Thumb Green wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Another person complaining about a weapon because it's doing what it's supposed to do. At 72m the BAR is only doing at most 30% of its advertised damage. If you're getting beat by any AR outside of it's optimal while using an RR then the problem is with you. I don't use RRs. My problem is that it makes all the other ar variants and the cr useless. Well you mentioned it so I went with that. I won't argue against the standard AR getting a buff (tac works well enough, not sure about the burst) though I still do quite well with it as well. The CR is horrible at eating through shields now but *a fluxed CR user can easily beat a fluxed BAR user* especially if he stays out of the BAR's optimal though that's a bit harder done than said since there's only a 10m difference in their optimals. The ar or tac do not need buffs, both work very well. The problem is the breach. The CR vs BAR part is a flat out lie. Alright, I'd be willing to prove it. We can squad up later tonight (or some other night if tonight isn't convenient for you) and team kill each other in FW. You use the BAR and I'll use the CR, we'll flux each other and then open fire on each other while standing completely still. If you want we can do a best out of # (your choice). Edit: we can even go with the same suit set up where possible other than the weapon of course. While I can't record directly from the screen, I do have a camera I can record it on so you'll be able to see that I didn't throw a damage mod on that you didn't or something like that. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Ablerober Pretty Violence 193	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:11:00 - [15] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. Just hop out of the way like the other scouts who can't stand taking damage.
Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 502	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:32:00 - [16] - Quote Of course BrAR is good. It have 55m range. It should have dmg advantage because of it poor range. And yes. Ar should be best at it optimal. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 376	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:34:00 - [17] - Quote The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Your opinion is invalid.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1050	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:36:00 - [18] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Your opinion is invalid. I've been using this weapon since it got buffed. I knew just by lookibg at the stats that it would be OP before it even shipped. Its a little OP. Its outdoing the AR at its own job. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4495	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:37:00 - [19] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet. Your opinion is invalid. lmao B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
hfderrtgvcd 1162	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:35:00 - [20] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet. Your opinion is invalid. That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these forums. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1284	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:39:00 - [21] - Quote Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1726	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:42:00 - [22] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1284	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:43:00 - [23] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Zindorak wrote: Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). wat Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1726	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:46:00 - [24] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Zindorak wrote: Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). wat I'm weird..... I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 381	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:46:00 - [25] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Imp Smash wrote: The rifle has only been buffed a short time. Decrying the need for nerf this early means that you have not experimented enough with getting around the gun's strengths. Many people are using it now that the RR was brought in line with other guns and you are not taking this into account yet. Your opinion is invalid. That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these forums. Don't really see how. It may be OP -- but we can't know for sure yet. I, for one, am still waiting on more data and experience being killed by it in a larger variety of situations before making judgements. Because...you know... prejudice sucks and all...
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1284	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:47:00 - [26] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Zindorak wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Zindorak wrote: Then atleast give BAR TAR and AR some love. They suck atm Don't call the Burst a BAR. It's nothing like a B.A.R. (admittedly the breach isn't much like it either but it's closer than the BTAR). wat I'm weird..... ok Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 116	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:00:00 - [27] - Quote Let's stop for a second and think of the Gallente line of rifles in general. The Assault/Plasma Rifle line of weapons are meant for what range? -Short to Mid (aka, "CQC") Outside of their range, are the Assault/Plasma Rifle specialized variants as effect as their other racial counterparts? -No (aside from Assault variants) the racial variants far outdo the Gallente iterations (Combat dominates our Burst AR) Now, with that in mind, let's ask ourselves a few questions regarding the Breach variant. What is it this gun is meant to do? -Deal the most damage at CQC per bullet Does this CQC oriented weapon destroy at farther ranges that make it comparable to the Rail Rifle, it's closest competitor? -No, it does not. The Rail Rifle is clearly superior in that aspect, from Mid and beyond. Moving on to one final topic, regarding why people suddenly think it's apparently so OP. Why do I want this gun nerfed? -If your answer is "Because I'm totally wrecking with it, so it must be OP!", then ask yourself the next question. ----At what range are you "totally wrecking with it"? ---------If the answer to THAT is "Close to mid range", then your argument is invalid, as THAT'S THE RANGE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD AT. ---------If the answer to that is "Mid to Far", please attempt using the Rail Rifle at the same range and notice how much MORE you wreck with that gun instead. Also, perform tests with valid data or wait for Rattati to provide his own for you. -If your answer is "Because I'm totally getting wrecked by it, so it must be OP!", then ask yourself the next question ----At what range are you "totally getting wrecked" by it at? ---------If the answer to THAT is "Close to mid range" then your argument is invalid, as THAT'S THE RANGE IT'S SUPPOSED TO DESTROY YOU AT. ---------If the answer to that is "Mid to Far", please note how easily, or how much more easily, you get wrecked by: Rail Rifles, Combat Rifles (burst variant specifically), Sniper Rifles, and Laser Rifles (via Aki Tan in particular). Also, please provide numerical evidence to support your claim, or wait for Rattati to provide his own for you. Granted, I find it odd that the Breach has a higher DPS than the Assault, I don't believe it is in need of a nerf. At all. Especially considering many posting here I've personally seen using ranged weapons to keep Gallente users far, far away from them, rendering them comparatively ineffective. Can't comment on kick/recoil. I've got R4 Sharpshooter. And R5 gk.0 Assault. TL;DR, the gun is good at its own range, people dying outside it need to provide evidence (graphs, spreadsheets, etc) instead of tears. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1857	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:25:00 - [28] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. Dear OP. BAR is not OP. its sevearly limited on range. max range is 71m but effective range is like 50m but to be somewhat accurate you need to dump ALOT of sp into sharpshooter skill where as RR was up to 101m with effective of like 70odd meters and didnt need any huge sp dump into sharpshooting. BAR also does not have a scope to emphasize on its CQB-ness.. AR are ment to have high dps at close range.. unlike how RR were stupidly dominant at any range from 0 to 100m also if we were to throw in damage profiles the RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor... the AR suck against armor where as they only excell against shields.. so i put it to you mister OP, its only shield tanked scouts and shield tankers in general who are whining like little girls about the BAR when RR was OP for like a year and all you guys just defended it to hell and back . [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5871	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:36:00 - [29] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: - no recoil - best dps of any auotomatic weapon - 74 m range - insanely accurate hipfire - very high damage per clip The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. - no recoil ( so?, least RoF to achieve that recoil) - best dps of any auotomatic weapon ( and least range next to SMG's) - 74 m range ( This is effective, not OPTIMAL range. HMG's kill me at 50mts so....) - insanely accurate hipfire ( yeas, as ALL breach weapons) - very high damage per clip (Yeah but very low RoF so taht damage is applied a LOT slower than, say a Duvolle AR or a ACR) The weapon has no weaknesses and beats every other rifle in close to medium-long range. Close i can win with AR's, CR, ACR... MEd i can win with AR, TAC, SCR, ARR... Long i WILL win with LR, SCR and RR. You are insane. Breach si not OP, you are just engaging Breach AR's at an incorrect range. yes , I USE it. No, i didnt start using it when 1.9 hit. ANTI LIKE for this post -1 The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Jack the Rlpper Fearless Infinity 13	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:07:00 - [30] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: I have gal assault and yes Breach AR is werry OP. whats a good bar build?



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