So far the best idea I have heard regarding HP vs EWAR on scouts is to remove the passive bonus of Dampening SP, and shift the bonus to module efficacy.

As it stands, I need ALL my LS to be able to avoid scans on my minja.

What you fail to realize is that Gal scouts are imbalanced with relation to the others, and by using them as a basis for your nerf, you make them the only viable race for scouts.

I dont balance around GalScout. GalScout was simply the one i chose to illustrate my point.

Suppose we halved the module slots, but gave each scout a 20% bonus to a type of module? Gal: Dampeners Cal: Range extenders AM: precision enhancers Min: Kincat?

All good points. Keep the ball rolling, what can we do then?

I was wondering if EWAR changes would be easier to work with if scanning ties went to the dampened instead of the scanner.

I think the numbers would be easier to play with, and that we could both enable scouts to beat scans with sacrifice while making room for medium frames in the EWAR realm.

Hey man how you doing? Long time.

You got me questioning for the first time ever, what is the reasoning for medium frames needing changes to EWAR? Is it so they can pick up scouts? Coz it can't be that an assault class should be trying to sneak around the battlefield can it? Or...because sandbox? Just needs a bit of balancing?

EWAR is obvious for non-assault roles (e.g. scouts). But not really other frames? Curious....

Think of it like this:

Damped Med Frames hunt undamped med frames.

Precision Med Frames hunt damped med frames

Precision and Damped Med frames hunt undamped scouts

Precision scouts hunt damped med frames

so on and so forth. Get the picture?

I think Ghost put it best.

A simple brainstorming session. Goal: to make scouts prefer EWAR over health. Not all ideas are supposed to be well thought-out, this is just brainstorming to get ideas from the community.

One that popped into my head as I was typing. Suppose we halved the module slots on scouts (Scout gko from 2H/4L to 1H/2L) and then doubled the effectiveness of EWAR (ie: Complex Dampener from 25% to 50%) This would make EWAR a much better choice for scouts.

Toss some ideas out. Let's get that brainstorming going.

Another idea. Suppose we increase scout profile to 40dB up from 35dB? You can still become invisible to everything, but now requires 3 dampeners and a cloak to do so. Other scouts can become invisible to all but the best passive or active scans.

Edit:

Again, you balance around gk0 and don't care about other race or suit level.

. Other scouts can become invisible to all but the best passive or active scans.

Straight EWAR fits are too squishy to do much else apart from sneak and peak. Since they wouldn't be able to participate in combat, they wouldn't be much fun to run. They'd need to generate WP for passive scans on par with the WP generated by Logis for rep-slaving and hive tossing.

There's an interesting idea.

Suppose you got a small amount of wp from squadmates getting kills from your passives?

Another thought, suppose we made profile tied to speed? The faster you are, the higher your profile.

Another thought, suppose we made profile tied to speed? The faster you are, the higher your profile.

New Idea! Since Lurking would be immensely boring, we should add a rewarding mini-game to keep folks entertained.

Stay alive for X seconds while uncloaked and within scan range of hostiles for progressive "sneak streak" rewards!

30 seconds!
+10% WP per target per second

60 seconds!
+50% WP per target per second

90 seconds!
+ 100% WP per target per second

120 seconds!
Your very own orbital flux strike!

240 seconds!
Your very own hybrid laser strike!

A simple brainstorming session. Goal: to make scouts prefer EWAR over health. Not all ideas are supposed to be well thought-out, this is just brainstorming to get ideas from the community.

One that popped into my head as I was typing. Suppose we halved the module slots on scouts (Scout gko from 2H/4L to 1H/2L) and then doubled the effectiveness of EWAR (ie: Complex Dampener from 25% to 50%) This would make EWAR a much better choice for scouts.

Toss some ideas out. Let's get that brainstorming going.

Straight EWAR fits are too squishy to do much else apart from sneak and peak. Since the proposed paper-thin wouldn't be able to participate in combat, they wouldn't be much fun to run. They'd need to generate WP for passive scans on par with the WP generated by Logis for rep-slaving and hive tossing. Perhaps even more, since the paper-thins would operate at far higher risk, having a third the Logi's HP and having to hug enemy positions (rather than hide behind heavies).

In order to make the proposed paper-thin fun, we'd definitely have to give them opportunity to assassinate targets of opportunity. As everyone else is running 1000+ HP, this would mean massive role or racial bonuses to alpha weapons. At the end of the day, hopefully the new paper-thin would have a few loadout options to choose from ...

Glass-Cannon - Bonuses to SGs and NKs which insta-gib even the tankiest of targets.
Scout Sniper - Thales-like bonus to zoom and shared LoS target acquisition + WP.
Sneak and Peak - Low attack capability, low HP, high risk. Massive WP rewards.

Here is an idea just to see where people stand on scouts.

Remove the ability to add hp buff modules, insta-ewar scout.

Dead in .01 seconds or dead in 0.5s makes no difference to me. I get seen, I'm dead, or at the very least, must withdraw. At least, that is how I approach battles. That's how it was pre-1.8, and that was a viable if not ultra-hard-mode playstyle. I believe it still can be done today.

The whole point of scouts having ewar is so they can be stealthy, and have better situational awareness. That is what they should use instead of HP. I don't agree with you saying they're too squishy for combat. It's just a different style of play, and it can be *incredibly* fun to run. You can usually best another merc if they're solo, and you can have great fun with squads and confuse the hell out of them - doesn't require a kill, though it's usually possible.

Also I'm not really seeing a problem with existing alpha weapons - shotgun and nova knife are highly effective. You should be able to get the 2nd shot off before taking fire, and even then if you're skillful (and partly lucky) you can finish off a heavy. And before anyone jumps on the cloak bandwagon, none of what I am describing requires it. Let's not forget the use of REs too.

As for WP - I think it's fine as is. I probably make on average 1000 WP per game. Sometimes it's only 500, other times it's closer to 2000. I know others make far more, but I influence the game too. More so skirmish, but Dom has it's moments.

Please stop thinking scouts can't do combat without HP. They can, they do it effectively, and it brings another dimension to a game.

I agree with your thinking as it relates to Pubs. But PC (and to a lesser degree, competitive Pubs) are quite different. These conceptual paperthins need to be sufficiently viable and valuable for a Field Commander to need them.

1. Glass-Cannon - Bonuses to SGs and NKs which insta-gib even the tankiest of targets.
2. Scout Sniper - Thales-like bonus to zoom and shared LoS target acquisition + WP.
3. Sneak and Peak - Low attack capability, low HP, high risk. Massive WP rewards.