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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:42:00 -
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So far the best idea I have heard regarding HP vs EWAR on scouts is to remove the passive bonus of Dampening SP, and shift the bonus to module efficacy.
As it stands, I need ALL my LS to be able to avoid scans on my minja.
What you fail to realize is that Gal scouts are imbalanced with relation to the others, and by using them as a basis for your nerf, you make them the only viable race for scouts.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:57:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:One Eyed King wrote:So far the best idea I have heard regarding HP vs EWAR on scouts is to remove the passive bonus of Dampening SP, and shift the bonus to module efficacy.
As it stands, I need ALL my LS to be able to avoid scans on my minja.
What you fail to realize is that Gal scouts are imbalanced with relation to the others, and by using them as a basis for your nerf, you make them the only viable race for scouts. I dont balance around GalScout. GalScout was simply the one i chose to illustrate my point. Suppose we halved the module slots, but gave each scout a 20% bonus to a type of module? Gal: Dampeners Cal: Range extenders AM: precision enhancers Min: Kincat?
If you halved module slots, you would have to make up some serious ground elsewhere.
All scouts need dampening, not just Gallente.
What would end up happening is that scouts would not be viable OR would be pigeon holed into certain roles by the bonuses and limited number of slots to use otherwise.
Look at Commandos. They have a very low number of slots, and basically can only do what the innate bonuses on the suit are.
For a game that is supposed to have a lot of flexibility, reducing slots on any frames would be an issue, unless they completely reworked module bonuses. So even if it is possible, it would be messy getting things balanced and may take a lot of time.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:12:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:All good points. Keep the ball rolling, what can we do then?
I was wondering if EWAR changes would be easier to work with if scanning ties went to the dampened instead of the scanner.
I think the numbers would be easier to play with, and that we could both enable scouts to beat scans with sacrifice while making room for medium frames in the EWAR realm.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:55:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:All good points. Keep the ball rolling, what can we do then? I was wondering if EWAR changes would be easier to work with if scanning ties went to the dampened instead of the scanner. I think the numbers would be easier to play with, and that we could both enable scouts to beat scans with sacrifice while making room for medium frames in the EWAR realm. Hey man how you doing? Long time. You got me questioning for the first time ever, what is the reasoning for medium frames needing changes to EWAR? Is it so they can pick up scouts? Coz it can't be that an assault class should be trying to sneak around the battlefield can it? Or...because sandbox? Just needs a bit of balancing? EWAR is obvious for non-assault roles (e.g. scouts). But not really other frames? Curious....
I think Ghost put it best.
Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Think of it like this:
Damped Med Frames hunt undamped med frames.
Precision Med Frames hunt damped med frames
Precision and Damped Med frames hunt undamped scouts
Precision scouts hunt damped med frames
so on and so forth. Get the picture?
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:38:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:. Other scouts can become invisible to all but the best passive or active scans.
This is a major issue.
When the first cloak nerf in Alpha majorly reduced dampening on cloaks, it literally killed Amarr and Minmatar scouts. They were very rare sights between Alpha and Charlie, and I simply stopped playing
Scanned scouts are not viable.
If you are going to be scanned, and have those scans shared passively, you might as well go with an Assault suit and have higher HP and more fitting flexibility.
That was the whole reason EWAR was set up like it was in Charlie was to bring back the viability of Amarr and Minmatar scouts.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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