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Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4389	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:07:00 - [1] - Quote What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
DarthPlagueis TheWise 370	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:08:00 - [2] - Quote what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else F*k this cash grab fix the shit that matters: unkillable uplinks, invisible remotes on null cannon hack panels, etc.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4391	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:09:00 - [3] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else Man, don't stroke my ego buddy. Let's just stay on point. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 347	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:11:00 - [4] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. Sure, an Ion cannon Madrugar spending a minute at a time in redline, nothing bad will come of this... Put the redline so far back that it becomes impractile to use it as platform to shoot into battle. Good luck sniping into an objective 500 m away. And if you can out flank the enemy camping your redline by flying? LAV in to the opposite side, might actually give you a chance to push back out again. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1016	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:11:00 - [5] - Quote The further into the redline someone is, they less damage they should do. If someone is 100m into the redline, they should only be doing about 50% damage. But if they are only 20m in there, its probably okay that they do 100%. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7617	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:12:00 - [6] - Quote Breaks immersion too much. Just get rid of the redline and put extremely powerful auto aim turrets on the MCC. I already know we have the AI for this, I remember the old Rail Turrets. Get to close and die. No warning. No line. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 205	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:18:00 - [7] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. I would rather change the game so both teams have the exact same redline, and have the MCC's hover around the farthest parts of the map. Though there will be no installations near the redline, so people cannot exploit these. All of them are in the battlefield. There will literally be no hope for this game if AV/specialised vehicles/scouts aren't changed for the better.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1016	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:19:00 - [8] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Breaks immersion too much. Just get rid of the redline and put extremely powerful auto aim turrets on the MCC. I already know we have the AI for this, I remember the old Rail Turrets. Get to close and die. No warning. No line. Then we still have the issue of Snipers sitting where nobody can get them. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2536	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:22:00 - [9] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. Good: Redline Snipers and Tankers are hit in the nuts, and forever hit in the nuts. I really hate Redline Tankers... Redline still a safety zone. Bad: Breaks immersion like crazy. ADS pilots will cry huge tears about pushing tanks away and being unable to hurt them once they are utterly safe. Redline Tank sits on the edge of the Redline, gets hit, rolls to near complete safety. I don't like it. I am often chasing down enemy vehicles that escape to the Redline, and am often running in the same manner. But the big one is just the Rail Tanker sitting one inch from the edge until they get hit and ta-da! safe. 1 minute in the enemy Red Line? Don't like it so much. Scouts or other fast enemies run in and kill you as you spawn, even if you are highly resistant. Not a fan. Interesting ideas though. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4684	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:28:00 - [10] - Quote Crippling the redline mechanic is a horrifically bad idea, because the redline is actually an important mechanic. Redline problems are usually actually other problems, that led to redlining. Fixing those, as well as redline placement in some cases, would be far more beneficial. The actual mechanic of the redline works fine, and should not be changed. DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else I support this idea. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4391	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:30:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I support this idea. You heard it here first folks! B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4685	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:32:00 - [12] - Quote And people think I'm a troll. Bravo though. Reducing damage fired across the redline is a terrible idea. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7618	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:38:00 - [13] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Breaks immersion too much. Just get rid of the redline and put extremely powerful auto aim turrets on the MCC. I already know we have the AI for this, I remember the old Rail Turrets. Get to close and die. No warning. No line. Then we still have the issue of Snipers sitting where nobody can get them. But they will be so far from objectives it wouldn't matter. I'm removing the redline. Some maps might be odd to implement (Such as 5-point pipes map) due to the small redline next to the MCC, and this would have to be changed accordingly. I'm just not a fan of a redline at all. 20% in and out means that people will just get slaughtered the moment they cross the line. If you implement MCC turrets, you could also code them to shoot at players who deal damage to players in the "Imaginary red line". It would have the same effect as the redline, as it creates a "deadzone" for the enemy, while at the same time protecting the playes in it. They would be able to push up at least a little due to enemies not being able to shoot back for fear of turret retaliation. You would have to fall back a certain distance, and that distance would make it very hard for a sniper at the back of the map to effectively engage targets (Due to such a small window). This is all theorycrafting though. I could hash out some actual numbers if I had a map with concise distances, but I don't think the Dev's have one either. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4226	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:38:00 - [14] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Crippling the redline mechanic is a horrifically bad idea, because the redline is actually an important mechanic. Redline problems are usually actually other problems, that led to redlining. Fixing those, as well as redline placement in some cases, would be far more beneficial. The actual mechanic of the redline works fine, and should not be changed. DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else I support this idea. Being targeted by MCC turrets would be a far more engaging version of a redline death mechanic--that sense of being able to deftly avoid or agro fire for someone else. The timer mechanic really irks me sometimes, especially when it's not correct. This is more of a legion dream. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
DarthPlagueis TheWise 371	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:45:00 - [15] - Quote yeah reduce the damage done while in the redline to make red-lining the players fresh out of the academy THAT much easier! F*k this cash grab fix the shit that matters: unkillable uplinks, invisible remotes on null cannon hack panels, etc.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13639	Posted - 2014.11.12 14:41:00 - [16] - Quote Why? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote The redline exists for a reason. But abuse is always there. How about, after 20meters, 0 damage. If you want to shoot from the redline, in and/or out, you have to come into the field of play. Tanks, FGs, and worst snipers, won't be able to sit so far back that they are impossible to reach. Every map is big enough and has enough redundant battlefield space that playing from the redline is unnecessary.
Jebus McKing lol Proto 919	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:45:00 - [18] - Quote I'd prefer it if redlines got pushed back a lot. (especially on Ashlands and some Domi maps) Sure, getting to an objective would take more time, but that is what LAVs, Derpships, and Uplinks are for, right? (Also reduce Sniper and Railgun damage to 0 while in the redline and we are good to go. ) Assault / Logi / Sentinel / Scout // @JebusMcKing
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1819	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:48:00 - [19] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else 50% less isk. then ship it with out asking/telling them. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2515	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:58:00 - [20] - Quote A better redline fix: make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. Best PvE idea ever!

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1820	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:12:00 - [21] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: A better redline fix: make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. this will only encourage redline stomping INSIDE the redline. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2484	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:20:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Crippling the redline mechanic is a horrifically bad idea, because the redline is actually an important mechanic. Redline problems are usually actually other problems, that led to redlining. Fixing those, as well as redline placement in some cases, would be far more beneficial. The actual mechanic of the redline works fine, and should not be changed. DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else I support this idea. go flux yourself ?
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15034	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:56:00 - [23] - Quote The redline will never be fixed until it's removed Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 87	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:08:00 - [24] - Quote Why not link sp and ISK payouts to time spent out of the redline? If you don't leave the redline, you get no passive ISK or sp, so there would be no benefit to afking and those who choose to hide there will be disadvantaged. If any idea to nerf people who are in the redline happened, would it be possible for the tacnet to show where the allied redline was? It's easy to see if you're in the enemy redline but not your own.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4694	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:11:00 - [25] - Quote Raptor Princess wrote: Why not link sp and ISK payouts to time spent out of the redline? If you don't leave the redline, you get no passive ISK or sp, so there would be no benefit to afking and those who choose to hide there will be disadvantaged. Then you're penalizing people for being redlined, and creating a magic barrier over which people are not rewarded for their gameplay efforts. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2516	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:12:00 - [26] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vell0cet wrote: A better redline fix: make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. this will only encourage redline stomping INSIDE the redline. I respectfully disagree. Stompers would be at a large disadvantage since they can't rep. Furthermore the extended time required to be out of the redline would allow waves of opportunity for redline teams to regroup and push back. If 2 to 1 isn't enough this could be increased to 3:1 or even more if necessary. Also with the team balancing improvements, total redlining has become very uncommon. You could also add further penalties for players in the enemy redline, such as not being able to be revived. Best PvE idea ever!
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 87	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:16:00 - [27] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: Why not link sp and ISK payouts to time spent out of the redline? If you don't leave the redline, you get no passive ISK or sp, so there would be no benefit to afking and those who choose to hide there will be disadvantaged. Then you're penalizing people for being redlined, and creating a magic barrier over which people are not rewarded for their gameplay efforts. How about lowering the passive sp and ISK rather than damage? It would be harder for a vehicle to destroy a manned installation before being destroyed themselves, or for the merc manning it to be killed.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2205	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:23:00 - [28] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Crippling the redline mechanic is a horrifically bad idea, because the redline is actually an important mechanic. Redline problems are usually actually other problems, that led to redlining. Fixing those, as well as redline placement in some cases, would be far more beneficial. The actual mechanic of the redline works fine, and should not be changed. DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else I support this idea. go flux yourself I'm guessing that this is the corp they'd all join if this idea were to be implemented. Just pull the plug on all asset/liquid wealth gained through PC and we'd have a good start.... Much more entertaining too. Gò¡Gê¬Gò«(Gùú_Gùó)Gò¡Gê¬Gò«
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4423	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:45:00 - [29] - Quote Raptor Princess wrote: How about lowering the passive sp and ISK rather than damage? It would be harder for a vehicle to destroy a manned installation before being destroyed themselves, or for the merc manning it to be killed. Addressing fixes to the redline system to Soraya is pointless. He doesn't see it as a problem worthy of improvement. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7634	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:47:00 - [30] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: How about lowering the passive sp and ISK rather than damage? It would be harder for a vehicle to destroy a manned installation before being destroyed themselves, or for the merc manning it to be killed. Addressing fixes to the redline system to Soraya is pointless. He doesn't see it as a problem worthy of improvement. Zatara vs. Soraya Core Locus vs. Swarm Launcher Buy your tickets now, only 10 Mil ISK for a front row seat. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.

Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1704	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:53:00 - [31] - Quote People just need to stop fcking worrying about the redline and the cowards that hide in it. The most they are is a nuisance Zatara Rought wrote: Addressing fixes to the redline system to Soraya is pointless. He doesn't see it as a problem worthy of improvement. Because it isn't. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
jace silencerww Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:09:00 - [32] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: The further into the redline someone is, they less damage they should do. If someone is 100m into the redline, they should only be doing about 50% damage. But if they are only 20m in there, its probably okay that they do 100%. I had the same idea but it was only to snipers and large rail turrets. the reason being people need a way to fight out of your redline. so make a orange zone that is from your redline and goes out 30 meters & reds are shooting from this zone they are doing less damage as well.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2306	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:28:00 - [33] - Quote When we have Discussions about redline mechanics we have three separate topics that all get lumped under 'redline': Enemy Redline Mechanics Meant to stop enemy camping friendly back spawn point. Proposed fix: Ghost Kaiser's works perfectly: Friendly MCC starts bombarding the enemy when they encroach into the redline. Would also like to add to this several small, medium and large hardened AV and AI high-scan-precision medium-range turrets meant to protect the deeper redline. Maybe turrets with permanent auto-repair built in. The bombardment would be a low-to-medium damage wide area effect meant to make life uncomfortable and shortish for enemy mercs pressing into the redline, but such that a fast scout could still go deep if they were set up for it, say maybe 30 hp/s. Also include the Mass Driver shaking effect to kitten up peeps aiming. With the right fit this bombardment damage could be tanked, but aiming would still be problematic, and for fast tanky mercs or vehicles going going deeper they'd have the turrets waiting to greet them. Ghost Kaiser make a good point, immersion is important. Both the bombardment and turret mechanics maintain immersion and are hot-fixable. They are actually the kind of thing the MMC Commander would have done. Friendly Redline Mechanics Meant to encourage mercs' participation in battles. Many other systems influence a player's decision to stay in the redline(matchmaking, tiers, ISK payouts, WP payouts, passive sp dole, etc.). These systems are not good or bad - the ultimate answer here is how do we make the game more enjoyable/rewarding/addictive to play so that players don't hide behind the redline's skirts? Carrot and stick mechanics will work for this if we can't come up with a brilliant piece of game design. Rattai has already taken the first crude steps by doubling WP payouts and halving the passive in-match sp dole(that the CCP mommy-state imposed on us without consultation and which has done untold damage to this game). However, sniping at range can be a viable tactical choice for infantry or vehicle and can also contribute to a win when done right so we have to be careful. My proposed answer is a danger-pay bonus: mercs fighting outside of the redline get bonuses to their WP and ISK payouts. Redline fighters still get rewarded for their kills, but mercs doing mid and close range work get rewarded more. If that sniper wants the bigger payout he has to come out of the redline. Let that redline sniping tank have 50 WP for a kill, but give the tank supporting infantry at a point 75 WP. I would actually like to see a more sophisticated mechanic than this but we're hotfixing here so this'll have to do. One other small tweak: no passive sp for mercs in the redline. On the battlefield yes, ok, include some passive but in the redline absolutely nothing. This means if you're in the redline you earn your keep by killing or you earn nothing at all. Camped Redline Exit Mechanics For experienced mercs it can be difficult and expensive to get out of the redline but we can do it: a cloaked damped uplink scout plus some patience and luck will get the job done, but it might take so long that there's no hope of turning the match around. Also wrt getting out of redline using a cloaked uplinked scout: it sure is nice having 50 million sp, maxxed cores and proto suit skills: this scenario is not especially realistic for a new player, so what can they do? Spawn an expensive LAV and head out on a suicide run? I'd really like to see a 'glider suit' option for exiting the MMC and covering ground - prolly basic light frame only and with significant drawbacks(e.g. side arm only, ehp, fitting capacity) but with a mandatory pre-fitted uplink and codebreaker and enough glide range/control to give a redlined noob merc a viable but risky option and maybe the added bonus of forcefeeding them the concept of uplink deployment. Another feature that would really allow players to turn a redline match around quickly: the ability to hack uplinks. Not sure if hot fixable - prolly not. PSN: RationalSpark
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2138	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:58:00 - [34] - Quote Anything we can do to stop the redline from being exploited as a safe zone is welcomed. Sounds like an easy way to make it happen, although I'd be worried that all it would effectively do would be to push them into the field of battle for a second then running back into their safe zone in the redline (particularly for tanks). Regardless, I'd support such a change. Liked.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1704	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:09:00 - [35] - Quote I find it interesting that players from corps associated with redlining are the most vehement about getting rid of it or otherwise making it easier to kill the people inside it (an observation that includes much more than this thread alone). I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4426	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:12:00 - [36] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: I find it interesting that players from corps associated with redlining are the most vehement about getting rid of it or otherwise making it easier to kill the people inside it (an observation that includes much more than this thread alone). Trust me I was talking about this when I was in Subdreddit just the same. ;) B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1704	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:14:00 - [37] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Thumb Green wrote: I find it interesting that players from corps associated with redlining are the most vehement about getting rid of it or otherwise making it easier to kill the people inside it (an observation that includes much more than this thread alone). Trust me I was talking about this when I was in Subdreddit just the same. ;) Which is also a corp that was associated with redlining. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Sev Alcatraz 685	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:15:00 - [38] - Quote Your the last person who need a a say in anything fuk off Disgruntled vet
CUSE WarLord KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:26:00 - [39] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. shooting in and out of the redline doing only 20% damage is a great idea. make it so.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 938	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:26:00 - [40] - Quote How about a cpm response to either vellceolot or vrain mataris ideas. Since they're fairly balanced and could actually accomplish something. Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.

shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3143	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:29:00 - [41] - Quote What about increase the damage of the null cannons if a team hold all of them? (in skirmish of course) Join channel: FW Kickstarter More people in = more FW matches
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5239	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:31:00 - [42] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: And people think I'm a troll. Bravo though. Reducing damage fired across the redline is a terrible idea. It's weird that nearly everything scrubby you support and everything that hurts scrubby gameplay you are against. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5239	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:32:00 - [43] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vell0cet wrote: A better redline fix: make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. this will only encourage redline stomping INSIDE the redline. exactly, which would be awesome I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1705	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:45:00 - [44] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's weird that nearly everything scrubby you support and everything that hurts scrubby gameplay you are against. Thor Odinson42 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vell0cet wrote: A better redline fix: make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. this will only encourage redline stomping INSIDE the redline. exactly, which would be awesome Want to talk about scrubby? I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4548	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:48:00 - [45] - Quote Can we see our own redline? Perhaps a green line? Seriously. If you meant that that would work both ways, anyways.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5240	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:53:00 - [46] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's weird that nearly everything scrubby you support and everything that hurts scrubby gameplay you are against. Thor Odinson42 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vell0cet wrote: A better redline fix: make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. this will only encourage redline stomping INSIDE the redline. exactly, which would be awesome Want to talk about scrubby? Either let people hunt in the redline or accelerate the damage to the MCC when you have all points capped. It's not fun when the only thing you can do is hide in a corner to avoid sniper fire or run along the redline hoping to see a target once in a while. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1706	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:06:00 - [47] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Either let people hunt in the redline or accelerate the damage to the MCC when you have all points capped. It's not fun when the only thing you can do is hide in a corner to avoid sniper fire or run along the redline hoping to see a target once in a while. You can already hunt in the redline. With a fast enough scout you can get in fairly far (can make it to enemy ground spawn on some maps) and back out. Accelerated damage to the MCC with all points capped is perfectly acceptable to me as it doesn't directly punish the team that's been redlined. The second part of your comment has more to do with matchmaking than it does the redline. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 516	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:33:00 - [48] - Quote How about if you stay too long in the red line some wild commisar bots come and execute you / or just simply the friendly turret installations targets you.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1042	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:45:00 - [49] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. No because sometimes one side is obviously winning and to save isk the redline IS the only chance. Unless their was a surrender option like a team vote then yes. Also i love carpet We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4433	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:53:00 - [50] - Quote I think regardless of redline mechanics to combat one sided matches we need to implement a mercy timer. If your team is redlined and you hold no objectives in a skirm you get a timer before you sound the retreat, surrender, and end the game. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought

NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 593	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:39:00 - [51] - Quote We should have reinforced group deploy and a escalation mechanic to allow for more reinforcements to be spawned into battle. Once 6 players are ready to deploy a RDV will spawn in on the battlefield and deploy the troops together calculated away from the enemy. For the escalation 4 to 6 additional players are deployed on the losing team to help turn things around.. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 364	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:08:00 - [52] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. Then there might as well be no redline at all? I like the idea of shooting in/out of the redline making you do 20% damage. But then I imagine it would be impossible to fight your way out of the redline once redlined :( Vell0cet wrote: Make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. That's surprisingly reasonable. If you want to go stomp in the redline fine -- but you will be at a combat disadvantage. People will get impatient, invariably do this, get killed by the redlined team, which will give the team trying to break out of the redline a window of opportunity to make a push. ESPECIALLY if you add a mechanic where if you get killed in the enemy redline you have a 30 sec revive timer. Redlined team can make it out, set up shop somewhere, and you have a battle again. Nah -- it sounds good in theory -- but I'm sure it'll work terrible in real life. Still, earned a like from me!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10228	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:13:00 - [53] - Quote If this is a brazen attempt of nerfing redline sniping, it's a ****-poor attempt if I ever saw one. The sniper range has been nerfed enough as it is to the point that I don't even need my proto Minscout very much anymore to reach a redline sniper unless it was in Manus Peak with the enemy on the south side mountain. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4705	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:16:00 - [54] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: People just need to stop fcking worrying about the redline and the cowards that hide in it. The most they are is a nuisance Zatara Rought wrote: Addressing fixes to the redline system to Soraya is pointless. He doesn't see it as a problem worthy of improvement. Because it isn't. ^^ THIS Zatara Rought wrote: I think regardless of redline mechanics to combat one sided matches we need to implement a mercy timer. If your team is redlined and you hold no objectives in a skirm you get a timer before you sound the retreat, surrender, and end the game. As I've said before, this is something I can get behind. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 933	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:26:00 - [55] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Crippling the redline mechanic is a horrifically bad idea, because the redline is actually an important mechanic. Redline problems are usually actually other problems, that led to redlining. Fixing those, as well as redline placement in some cases, would be far more beneficial. The actual mechanic of the redline works fine, and should not be changed. DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: what if fatal absolution made 20% less isk in a pub than anyone else I support this idea. Crippling snipers with a range reduction to put half a dirty band aid on the red line mechanic is a "horrifcally bad idea" because I'll never shut up about it until snipers have their ranges back for role fulfillment. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2525	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:37:00 - [56] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. Then there might as well be no redline at all? I like the idea of shooting in/out of the redline making you do 20% damage. But then I imagine it would be impossible to fight your way out of the redline once redlined :( Vell0cet wrote: Make the redline timer function like the cloak. Increase the time in the enemy redline significantly to something like 1 minute, but you don't immediately reset your timer when you exit. Instead it slowly regens back (up to the max limit) at something like a 2:1 ratio (i.e. 2 minutes out of the redline will allow you to have 1 minute in). This timer persists through death, so suicide runs can't be spammed. Also you cannot recive reps and your armor/shields won't recharge when in the enemy redline. This means you can run into the redline to take out that annoying sniper, rail tank, enemy installation, etc. but you can't camp the enemy's spawn in a sustained/coordinated manner. That's surprisingly reasonable. If you want to go stomp in the redline fine -- but you will be at a combat disadvantage. People will get impatient, invariably do this, get killed by the redlined team, which will give the team trying to break out of the redline a window of opportunity to make a push. ESPECIALLY if you add a mechanic where if you get killed in the enemy redline you have a 30 sec revive timer. Redlined team can make it out, set up shop somewhere, and you have a battle again. Nah -- it sounds good in theory -- but I'm sure it'll work terrible in real life. Still, earned a like from me! Thanks. I think if we came up with enough ways to penalize the stompers, this could work well in practice. I like your idea of an increased respawn delay. Best PvE idea ever!
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven 282	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:42:00 - [57] - Quote I like it. Will fix issues for tankers as well & make the redline a safe-zone only. The problem is, Most of the maps don't have very good terrain for snipers & the best mountains to get in position in happens to be in the redline most of the time. I used to be a tower sniper, So I'm sure other snipers have other spots. Snipers probably wouldn't use Officer Sniper Rifles unless they are drunk. They should make the redline where you can't do damage shooting out of it, But players can't do damage shooting into it either. I mean it acts like a safe-haven zone for most already, Why not just complete that idealism? However if you chill in the redline & do not participate with your team's progression, You shouldn't make any WP & very minimal ISK. If you want to be rewarded, You must risk your assets & fight with your team. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 793	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:43:00 - [58] - Quote If it is possible to add a damage reduction to the redline, why not just make sniper rifles and railgun turrets do like zero damage from the redline? Then, you could even expend the redline some (only if at all necessary) without making redline sniping viable, but giving more of a buffer for people being stomped. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3789	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:45:00 - [59] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What about 1 minute in the enemy redline? Just wondering. Yes please. If possible remove the redline from PC and maybe FacWar. Gotta stop holding hands somewhere. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news


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