And if Vehicles are such a concern maybe we should bring back the KK Anti-material sniper rifle (I remember losing dropships to that horrible monster)

My main complaint, other than the ones I already agree with from Symb's post, is CCP deliberately shitting on the Charged SR over favoritism. There was no reason that the most difficult to learn and use SR variant had to get a clip reduction AND major range reduction all for the sake of having the highest headshot multiplier. If you land a shot, you had to charge at least half a shot to do a follow-up shot if they don't die. With that, there's a reduction in damage, as opposed to a fully charged second shot. Coupled with its low RoF, smart targets don't stay still but move to cover. You do understand that, with the small base damage of most other SR variants, outside the Thale's, the Charged was the only real viable SR for both pub and PC play, correct? Anything else practically tickled targets, or, in the case of the tactical, was used for countersniping, especially if the targets were brick tanking. No other role than the sniper has to stack 3 damage mods, use a Calmando, and use a proto variant of their weapon of choice to compete. THAT's the main reason why you only saw this SR variant used. Now, you've defined other sniper variant uses, but at the same time sort of negated the Charged SR's headshot bonus, as a basic SR has a high enough multiplier to take out most suits (from what I've read). GG CCP. I've only logged on twice since 1.8 and 1.9 went live, mainly cause there's no point right now. Other than that, it's been collecting DUST.

Saw this, decided to chime in.

THERE WAS AN ANTI-MATERIAL SNIPER RIFLE IN DUST?!

Can we have something like it back? Not really full-on damage, but say, 50% efficiency on vehicles for the sniper rifles?

I have probably about 4k kills with sniper rifles.

Did not know that made me the most experienced sniper serving on the CPM.

But comparing my experience to others on the CPM is not worthwhile because my sample size is just waaaay higher than anyone else's.

I have more kills than Cross, Soraya, IWS, and Dennie combined.

Meaning that I have more experience using almost every weapon in the game in comparison.

I wish that meant something other than bragging rights, but alas experience does not net you a monopoly on good ideas.

I still wish you just penalized people shooting into or out of the redline.

Like a 80% reduced efficiency damage...in or out.

Redlined? At least you take 20% damage while you mount a push...

Sure snipers need more places to snipe from for perch sniping while not in the redline perhaps, but I still would like to see redline shooting to get nerfed.

My main complaint, other than the ones I already agree with from Symb's post, is CCP deliberately shitting on the Charged SR over favoritism. There was no reason that the most difficult to learn and use SR variant had to get a clip reduction AND major range reduction all for the sake of having the highest headshot multiplier. If you land a shot, you had to charge at least half a shot to do a follow-up shot if they don't die. With that, there's a reduction in damage, as opposed to a fully charged second shot. Coupled with its low RoF, smart targets don't stay still but move to cover. You do understand that, with the small base damage of most other SR variants, outside the Thale's, the Charged was the only real viable SR for both pub and PC play, correct? Anything else practically tickled targets, or, in the case of the tactical, was used for countersniping, especially if the targets were brick tanking. No other role than the sniper has to stack 3 damage mods, use a Calmando, and use a proto variant of their weapon of choice to compete. THAT's the main reason why you only saw this SR variant used. Now, you've defined other sniper variant uses, but at the same time sort of negated the Charged SR's headshot bonus, as a basic SR has a high enough multiplier to take out most suits (from what I've read). GG CCP. I've only logged on twice since 1.8 and 1.9 went live, mainly cause there's no point right now. Other than that, it's been collecting DUST.

Given the slow rate of fire/charge-up time on the charged version, would it be fair to give it the largest clip size? Maybe 8-10 shots? Seems like a reasonable trade-off to me...

I don't often respond like this. But you're stupid. How did you come up with that response from symbs original post?

Edit: before anyone starts getting their knickers in a twist let me support symbs. In very simple terms, sniping has been turned into 'i headshot you, you headshot me'. Or 'I one shot you, you one shot me'. CCP went too far with the damage increases and the ridiculous headshot multipliers. They reduced and simplified the sniping role, instead of building on it's tactical usefulness.

Still get 90% of snipers in the redline with snipers since redlined were moved closer to objectives.

You mean aim assist is so op those afkers just seem to go 20-0 every match with damn op tactical snipers?! Wow thanks atiim you enlightened me :)

I disagree, the Charge Rifle ability to just about nearly guaranteed to put down almost ANY suit warrants disfavorable stats.

If a Sniper goes 20/0 you and your team are either garbage, or he's a better player than everyone on your team combined.

Given how most Snipers I know either speced out of them or quit, it's most likely the former.

Still get 90% of snipers in the redline with snipers since redlined were moved closer to objectives.

You mean aim assist is so op those afkers just seem to go 20-0 every match with damn op tactical snipers?! Wow thanks atiim you enlightened me :)

Atiim you're an op minmando roof camper so you wouldn't know though. Do you even dust bro?
50% of the team is noobs, 30% is amateurs and the remainder win the game.

I liked the old Manus Peak red-line. It's the reason Symb and I can talk about 700m+ kills. That map used to be Huuuuge.

The executioner style Charge is seriously stupid.

And every good squad had a sniper in it. You needed it for recon on large maps.

. . . um, wow, the ignorance is palpable.

The Sniper Rifle does not have any form of aim assist and it never has.

Squad? No. Not when squads were 4 man teams. Having 4 snipers was detrimental to the team, as 2 would be skilled if lucky.

Back when Corp Battles were a thing, every team had a sniper on it as well. I loved corp battles, I would get so many kills sniping when you could actually see your opponents before your squad, on the ground, that's closer could

Squad? No. Not when squads were 4 man teams. Having 4 snipers was detrimental to the team, as 2 would be skilled if lucky.

Back when Corp Battles were a thing, every team had a sniper on it as well. I loved corp battles, I would get so many kills sniping when you could actually see your opponents before your squad, on the ground, that's closer could

I have probably about 4k kills with sniper rifles.

Did not know that made me the most experienced sniper serving on the CPM.

But comparing my experience to others on the CPM is not worthwhile because my sample size is just waaaay higher than anyone else's.

I have more kills than Cross, Soraya, IWS, and Dennie combined.

Meaning that I have more experience using almost every weapon in the game in comparison.

I wish that meant something other than bragging rights, but alas experience does not net you a monopoly on good ideas.

I still wish you just penalized people shooting into or out of the redline.

Like a 80% reduced efficiency damage...in or out.

Redlined? At least you take 20% damage while you mount a push...

Sure snipers need more places to snipe from for perch sniping while not in the redline perhaps, but I still would like to see redline shooting to get nerfed.

Uhm hello, CPM work takes quite a bit out of your play time and for me that involves doing a bunch of things ingame that have nothing to with killing other players generally. Just about everything else.

I mean I been told by other snipers that liked the old system that the headshot damage was negligible.

Which is it?

Also I did not generate the number I advised on them with input on both sides of the debate. Case in point the originally proposed by CCP Body Damage was exceptionally so high they would have been oneshotting scouts and mediums even regardless of tank and had to get it downed down significantly enough. CCP did set stronger goals that would have been without proper justification hard to argue otherwise. For example there was not one good reason why the range needed to stay 600 meters (whose excuses are shared with the 1200 meter necessity camp) Not enough to outweigh the map scores of good sniping spots.

The most amount of design leeway I got was my opinions with the tactical which saw to its improved field use.

And if Vehicles are such a concern maybe we should bring back the KK Anti-material sniper rifle (I remember losing dropships to that horrible monster)