I can finally snipe without spending skill points is what I heard there. Haha.

600m made snipers immune to everything but a Thales. The ONLY weapon with the range to hit it, obtainable only by random chance in planetary conquest. This is unbalanced.

End.

Stop.

Let me spell this out in the simplest terms:

When a single class makes the game unfun for most players to the point where it is obvious that you cannot counter it through any means other than playing that class then that class needs to be changed hard.

See: scout
see: HMG Sentinel.

I play HMG Sentinel and even I admit the class has gotten out of hand to the detriment of the game at large and punishes most players for not speccing in.

Snipers are now at a point where they are powerful and counterable.


If you cannot accept the loss of comparative immunity find another game.

"Finger of God" was never intended to be a playable class.

Snipers already have it bad when half the maps don't let them snipe into objectives, who wants a sniper who can't defend a point?

Haha right..

How many maps can you claim make the Scout or the Heavy borderline useless?

Breakin Stuff..

Sniper vs Sniper (gun game) is a thing. Welcome to Dust 514 for the past several years.

You want instant gratification? Dust 514 may not be the game for you!

(when someone is really far away from you and not moving, but you wish to interact with said player.. guess what you have to do?)

Snipers have been nerfed time after time since launch. Can you not acknowledge this?

The role has now been reduced and simplified into something less than it was before.

600m range was about the only thing that separated a sniper rifle from a forge gun.

a number of things upset me..

- New dot for sniper rifle is too tiny (you lose sight of it on white backgrounds) hurts target acquisition on moving targets, too small to tell you're on target by direct line of sight color change. I would like to propose changing it back to the original dot.

-Charge sniper rifle noise is ultra annoying, headache inducing, this never got "fixed" because nobody with influence ever cared or sniped for that matter.

-Sniper rifle range on some of the larger maps created scenarios where I could see enemies that I could not shoot. i.e. 6 tower map.. from the tower top closest my MCC to the middle tower top across the center of the map overlooking the domination objective, was out of range of each other. 350m+ away. Stupid.

-Headshot damage is way too high on sniper rifles, eliminating the whole "gun game" / "gun play" between sniper on sniper. If someone decides to counter snipe you after you kill them on the ground, they can come back from any direction and line up a headshot. In the past it took more than 1 bullet to kill a sniper, allowing for the one being shot to have a small window to move, possibly make it to cover and return fire. The better sniper would win out usually. THIS IS NO LONGER THE CASE. My proposed changes wouldn't have created this zero skill scenario. (Good job IWS) See this link!

-The removal of the old Charge Sniper Rifle from the game. High damage body shots with enough bullets in the clip to allow you to miss a shot without having the huge penalty of reloading and reacquiring your target + stabilization time. You added the "executioner" and the "wanna be quickscoping tactical" but at the cost of removing the most solid sniper rifle from the game. !@#% me. Nobody asked for those two additional sniper rifle types at the cost of removing the Charge. I know you do what you want, I also know you listen from time to time. My proposed changes weren't complicated, and certainly not drastic. The game state for a sniper I feel is as awful as it has ever been. Since I know you like solutions, I suggest going back to Charlie sniper rifles / ranges / damage and increase the base damage and headshot damage each slightly. Instead of creating new gun types that aren't even good enough for PC matches. The 5 round clip Charge was at best a bad Thale's. Now there is seriously nothing close.

You went all in on making the sniper rifle a "precision / lucky bullet weapon" and it's horrible (in my humble opinion). I wish things were different, and above all I wish I found this game more appealing. I cannot recreate the fluidity and finesse of my Dust 514 sniping videos in the current game state. (someone at CCP please watch one)

I'm hating sniping, and therefore Dust 514.

I have so much hate for sentinel and scout spam I cannot even begin.

Snipers already have it bad when half the maps don't let them snipe into objectives, who wants a sniper who can't defend a point?

Haha right..

How many maps can you claim make the Scout or the Heavy borderline useless?

I hate the fact that you can jump around, spin in circles, and strafe back and forth super fast...all while maintaining perfect accuracy and zero recoil when ADS using a combat rifle or assault rifle.

Yet you can be crouched with a sniper and when you ADS your gun sways all over the place.

And don't anyone give me that bullshit "but the gun is long and heavy" response. Have you seen the size of the scrambler rifle? Pretty sure that doesn't have any sway either.

This is why sniping in this game is not worth it for me.

Why is there not a suit in the game that gives a reduction to kick and sway of rail weaponry? Why the heck is the Caldari Assault bonus a faster reload speed?

Snipers were mostly untouched since like... 1.0 please run your fact checker again.

Also please remove yourself from the 50 damage at 600+ meter camp please; seriously that's how bad some of these snipers want their range back. They seemingly don't care if it takes their entire ammo stock to kill people.

there is 2 dots.. 1 for TAC 1 for normal rifles. the charge noise is there to denote its CHARGED.. same as forgeguns stop whining. max range on snipers view dist is now likw 400m cause of how deep in the redline they would be and even ccp said they were RISK FREE.

after all the things you think snipers "sacrificed" i think they are better off now.. as fat snipers are no longer unkillable and sniper rifles do more damage per shot. there is just no pleasing some people.

TBH since you were the guy spearheading sniper rifle changes.

How many kills do you have from sniping? You know first hand knowledge on the subject. (just guess)

edit: How many kills in the current build post sniper rifle changes?

edit: I'm not trying to antagonize you so much as to get a grip on your experience level concerning the changes you had implemented.

I never said I want to kill every suit in the game with a headshot.

If anything it's been said that a heavy should be able to sustain 1 headshot, and die to a follow up bodyshot from a charge sniper rifle. Meaning it would likely take 1 headshot and 2 bodyshots from a standard sniper rifle

SEE MY PROPOSED CHANGES (the ones given before the current build)

I suppose I should break it down for you some more.

Snipers have had many hard counters in the past and more now, including the Militia Sniper Rifle more than ever.

In the past the Tactical Sniper Rifle was used as the best choice to counter snipe another sniper.. zero recoil double-triple headshot with increased zoom. Now every sniper rifle fills this same role, but even better.

You assumed I didn't speak up, but why should I when it's simply because you haven't followed the discussion for long enough.

I don't often respond like this. But you're stupid. How did you come up with that response from symbs original post?

Edit: before anyone starts getting their knickers in a twist let me support symbs. In very simple terms, sniping has been turned into 'i headshot you, you headshot me'. Or 'I one shot you, you one shot me'. CCP went too far with the damage increases and the ridiculous headshot multipliers. They reduced and simplified the sniping role, instead of building on it's tactical usefulness.

Perhaps snipers shouldn't sit in one spot all match. Sniping should require repositioning, if you've been discovered.

Pitching a tent on top of a tower is what is ruining this game.

well the reason why they changed it was to bring snipers closer to te burn zone and our of the red zone and to compensate for it the increased the damage,. even though some snipers still can hit hard from teh red line it makes it possible to counter sniper or of your suit is quick enough run in kill said sniper and get out. im not sure if you know why but just leting you know

I'm sorry, but you aren't going for headshots, you shouldn't be using a sniper rifle.

It's made specifically for dropping targets at range with a single headshot. Snipers are about efficiency and psychological warfare. Drop enough targets stupid enough to stand still, and all of the sudden everyone starts to use cover. People are afraid to stand still in fear of that headshot.

You can take this even farther with a mobile sniper. You set up wide flanks on widely used battlegrounds. When both teams start shooting at each other, you can maneuver and remove their cover, making it impossible for them to regen of find safety. Done right: this can easily turn a firefight into your favor (Assuming non-bad blue dots)

I read the above as "I can't get headshots, bring back high damage body shots", to which I say "Learn how to aim".

The only legitimate complaint against this is the stupid sights and magnification. That is it.

Symbs, you just need a break man.

I was convinced I'd never skill into the SR. But after leaving Dust for a month and playing Destiny I realized how much I loved this game, and how much I loved sniping. So I said "**** it, I don't care how viable it is in PC or proto stomp skirms" and skilled into the Thale's.

Now I'm just going to run the ADV with a basic scout and not care about dying because I have WAY too many of these collecting dust in my inventory, not to mention the ADV salvage one, and the Covenant BPO.

Too much of ANYTHING is unhealthy. Oh, and apparently you don't Forge Gun much because trust me the sound is a lot worse.

Unless every sniper can be reached by a light weapon other than a sniper they are OP and should be removed. No other play style has that high of a reward, kd/r advantage and damage potential without being vulnerable to anything but another sniper.
Snipers require too much effort to remove, one has to travel hundreds of metres or call in a vehicle to eliminate a threat that does not offer any objective play tactical advantages. Snipers need a 250m max range. Don't QQ because no other suit is invulnerable like you to other play styles. It's true and you know it.

I think now you're just asking for it.

If a sniper can't be killed by another light weapon where is the balance? A shotgun is effective at close range but slight further it has no chance against a rifle. A rifle is good at medium range as it is a general purpose weapon. A sniper should be good at long range BUT has no chance at short range. Unfortunately your broken @** redline tactics mean that you are never approached short range, which means you have NO drawbacks to using your weapon.


Scouts are pretty invulnerable when they want to be????
You are mentally or skill wise deficient I would argue here... Cloaks only work against bad players, most sprint scouts are weak tank wise as hell, easy to eliminate, and those kin cats require huge fitting sacrifice as well as skill investment.

Then you claim they dictate when and where they engage...
But so does a heavy sitting in a building
But so does an assault sitting on a hill
But so does a sniper sitting in the redline
But so does a tank moving or staying in the redline


Your point? Range dictation falls to player skill not suit type.

And if objectives are covered as you say then snipers have no purpose in an objective focused team play game and are simply cowards looking to bolster their kdr by dealing huge damage from ridiculous ranges that cannot be approached by 99% of fits.
Oh and heavies are MEANT to excel in short range objective building gameplay, that's their bloody niche.


Amateur. Stop QQing because your play style is op.