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Maken Tosch wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Nope. While I love this patch for shotgunning, due to MUCH better framereate allowing me to actually hit shots and not blue shield flash people all day long, the delay is working as intended.

Iv died several times today because I couldn't get a shot off fast enough from cloak where I used to be able to.

Combined with the range nerf, this is the average scenario where I would die to the new delay:

1. Im running around, trying to find someone to kill/something to hack, or running away from something. Im cloaked.
2. No scan range means that I can't ping the Gal Assault that just came around a corner in front of me. We see each other at the same time
3. The Breach AR begins to pop my shields, and I decloak.
4. I think WOAH need to do something quick.
5. The .33 seconds where I can't shoot allows him to get a shot off, as well as backpedal 2m, making him a 3-shot target, where before I would have had him at 200 armor at this point, and lining up the kill shot.
6. If he misses a few shots, I can still kill him. However, he is at an advantage here, and generally can kill me.

Not really as intended apparently. Have you even been the victim of the cloak shotty recently? I have even seen players squeeze off a shot from their shotgun while their cloak is still on for some reason (might be lag).

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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10124	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:06:00 - [1] - Quote The 0.33 second delay is clearly not enough after observing and experiencing its effects. Several times now I have been the victim of cloaky shotgunners who managed to fire off a shot immediately after decloaking and are able to do it consistently. Time to increase the delay. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2755	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:15:00 - [2] - Quote Nope. While I love this patch for shotgunning, due to MUCH better framereate allowing me to actually hit shots and not blue shield flash people all day long, the delay is working as intended. Iv died several times today because I couldn't get a shot off fast enough from cloak where I used to be able to. Combined with the range nerf, this is the average scenario where I would die to the new delay: 1. Im running around, trying to find someone to kill/something to hack, or running away from something. Im cloaked. 2. No scan range means that I can't ping the Gal Assault that just came around a corner in front of me. We see each other at the same time 3. The Breach AR begins to pop my shields, and I decloak. 4. I think WOAH need to do something quick. 5. The .33 seconds where I can't shoot allows him to get a shot off, as well as backpedal 2m, making him a 3-shot target, where before I would have had him at 200 armor at this point, and lining up the kill shot. 6. If he misses a few shots, I can still kill him. However, he is at an advantage here, and generally can kill me. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10124	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:19:00 - [3] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Nope. While I love this patch for shotgunning, due to MUCH better framereate allowing me to actually hit shots and not blue shield flash people all day long, the delay is working as intended. Iv died several times today because I couldn't get a shot off fast enough from cloak where I used to be able to. Combined with the range nerf, this is the average scenario where I would die to the new delay: 1. Im running around, trying to find someone to kill/something to hack, or running away from something. Im cloaked. 2. No scan range means that I can't ping the Gal Assault that just came around a corner in front of me. We see each other at the same time 3. The Breach AR begins to pop my shields, and I decloak. 4. I think WOAH need to do something quick. 5. The .33 seconds where I can't shoot allows him to get a shot off, as well as backpedal 2m, making him a 3-shot target, where before I would have had him at 200 armor at this point, and lining up the kill shot. 6. If he misses a few shots, I can still kill him. However, he is at an advantage here, and generally can kill me. Not really as intended apparently. Have you even been the victim of the cloak shotty recently? I have even seen players squeeze off a shot from their shotgun while their cloak is still on for some reason (might be lag). On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 366	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:26:00 - [4] - Quote Many times I'm on my minmatar quafy suit and the same idiot tried to Nova knife me that I said NO ***** THIS TIME I'll punch you with my Fist and then shoot you. In the end I meele the idiot then shot him = He is dead = = MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1654	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:27:00 - [5] - Quote Firing after they're uncloaked is fine and dandy. The real problem with cloaked scouts was them firing while still invisible and it wasn't cause of lag as you suggest is the cause for the occasional cloaked firing you've seen since the update. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2757	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:40:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Nope. While I love this patch for shotgunning, due to MUCH better framereate allowing me to actually hit shots and not blue shield flash people all day long, the delay is working as intended. Iv died several times today because I couldn't get a shot off fast enough from cloak where I used to be able to. Combined with the range nerf, this is the average scenario where I would die to the new delay: 1. Im running around, trying to find someone to kill/something to hack, or running away from something. Im cloaked. 2. No scan range means that I can't ping the Gal Assault that just came around a corner in front of me. We see each other at the same time 3. The Breach AR begins to pop my shields, and I decloak. 4. I think WOAH need to do something quick. 5. The .33 seconds where I can't shoot allows him to get a shot off, as well as backpedal 2m, making him a 3-shot target, where before I would have had him at 200 armor at this point, and lining up the kill shot. 6. If he misses a few shots, I can still kill him. However, he is at an advantage here, and generally can kill me. Not really as intended apparently. Have you even been the victim of the cloak shotty recently? I have even seen players squeeze off a shot from their shotgun while their cloak is still on for some reason (might be lag). Probably just lag, and only occasionally, but most times I kill them before they get a killing shot off, unless they manage to sneak up on me, which is props to them, considering after running Scout for the first couple matches I ran Assault. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 10587	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:53:00 - [7] - Quote I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 209	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:53:00 - [8] - Quote Called it! I would take what gav says with a grain of salt the .33 sec shouldn't effect a good scout at all. The ttk is and will remain the issue until scouts are side arm only. I mean if they raise it any more the failtard sgers will just drop the cloak after they already ruined it for everyone else. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
The Master Race Immortal Guides 209	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:53:00 - [9] - Quote Called it! I would take what gav says with a grain of salt the .33 sec shouldn't effect a good scout at all. The ttk is and will remain the issue until scouts are side arm only. I mean if they raise it any more the failtard sgers will just drop the cloak after they already ruined it for everyone else. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1329	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:58:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) Time to bump that delay up to a full second, Rattati! Nova Knives are best sidearm.

Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 71	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:00:00 - [11] - Quote I've watched mercs suddenly collapse while sniping while no enemy can be seen. Then I spot a scout running off, who had been invisible beforehand. Due to poor rendering over the past week, I've often seen scouts just disappear completely when they cloak - the blue outline doesn't show up either. 1.9 hasn't fixed that for me either.
Hector Carson BLACK MAGES INC. 73	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:02:00 - [12] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) Time to bump that delay up to a full second, Rattati! Make that 3 seconds, scouts aren't suppose to be able to stomp a proto sentinel Scout shoots Sentinel like a BOSS.........with a Bolt Pistol
Ace Boone 335	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:02:00 - [13] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Called it! I would take what gav says with a grain of salt the .33 sec shouldn't effect a good scout at all. The ttk is and will remain the issue until scouts are side arm only. I mean if they raise it any more the failtard sgers will just drop the cloak after they already ruined it for everyone else. What is up with you guys and the side arm only thing? Why in the hell would you cripple a class so badly, simply because it kills you the most? It's not even overpowered. I kill scouts ALL THE TIME in my mk.0 assault, in fact, it's probably the biggest source of my kills. Only loyal to the republic.
Ace Boone 335	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:04:00 - [14] - Quote Hector Carson wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) Time to bump that delay up to a full second, Rattati! Make that 3 seconds, scouts aren't suppose to be able to stomp a proto sentinel Why? Honest question. You have 1800 max eHP, the highest DPS weapon in the game, 25% damage resistance. If we can't kill you, nothing can, EXCEPT ANOTHER HEAVY. It is not easy to shotgun a proto sentinel to death, and if you're straying along trying to be a lone wolf in a heavy suit, then you deserve to die. Only loyal to the republic.
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nox Lupos 66	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:06:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) So you were that useless blueberry not contributing to the battle! Lol Rocking all skills V, Scout Mk.0, and may I say, "CORE LOCUS GRENADES ARE AMAZING" BPO collector.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1654	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:08:00 - [16] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Hector Carson wrote: Make that 3 seconds, scouts aren't suppose to be able to stomp a proto sentinel Why? Honest question. You have 1800 max eHP, the highest DPS weapon in the game, 25% damage resistance. If we can't kill you, nothing can, EXCEPT ANOTHER HEAVY. It is not easy to shotgun a proto sentinel to death, and if you're straying along trying to be a lone wolf in a heavy suit, then you deserve to die. I think that was sarcasm. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2757	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:11:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) Its .13 seconds faster than the AVG human RXN time. Ive personally noticed it, and tend to cloak up much less, and only do so if there is no cover at all. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 620	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:12:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The 0.33 second delay is clearly not enough after observing and experiencing its effects. Several times now I have been the victim of cloaky shotgunners who managed to fire off a shot immediately after decloaking and are able to do it consistently. Time to increase the delay. No sh*t. I figured it'd need to be more. I lag a full one second behind the actual action. Stuff does not register until a second after it happens. The scout should have a two second delay for firing a weapon after decloak. Come on CCP make the cloak a movement thing, not an attack thing. Dedicated scout assassins can do their thing without the cloak. It really isn't destroying anybody's game play other than FOTM scrubs. Boycott Black Thursday!
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4355	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:16:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The 0.33 second delay is clearly not enough after observing and experiencing its effects. Several times now I have been the victim of cloaky shotgunners who managed to fire off a shot immediately after decloaking and are able to do it consistently. Time to increase the delay. I've been testing this today with a fit that consists of an ARN Cloak and Shotgun (no sidearm) and can confirm that a longer delay is needed. As it stands, I can get a shot off while remaining cloaked. I'm not sure whether the delay takes account the ability to instead switch from equipment to weapon, instead of manually deactivating cloak AND THEN switching to weapon.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10126	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:20:00 - [20] - Quote Hector Carson wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) Time to bump that delay up to a full second, Rattati! Make that 3 seconds, scouts aren't suppose to be able to stomp a proto sentinel That's too much. I wouldn't accept that even for my most hated enemy (shotgunners). I was thinking maybe an extra 0.5 second to the already-0.33 second would do just fine. Of course, I don't want to nerf it too badly since I also occasionally use cloaks whenever I have to. @Rattati Whoa! Didn't expect you to come to my thread. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Henrietta Unknown Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 451	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:23:00 - [21] - Quote I have to say, tested the SG-cloak mechanic and didn't feel any change. I can shoot immediately. It appears so even before I fully decloak. Perhaps .5 seconds to a whole second will do some good, though I haven't seen any particular instance of it continuing to be abused. (Two SG deaths I have since update were from behind) Give the Magsex some love.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10126	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:26:00 - [22] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Called it! I would take what gav says with a grain of salt the .33 sec shouldn't effect a good scout at all. The ttk is and will remain the issue until scouts are side arm only. I mean if they raise it any more the failtard sgers will just drop the cloak after they already ruined it for everyone else. I hate this idea. I dread it even. Not for me, but for those who are not me. I'm a dedicated ninja knifer so I am not going to be affected by this. But others will. I may hate shotgunners a lot, but I don't hate them enough to warrant taking away their shotguns. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 209	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:27:00 - [23] - Quote You obviously have not played side arms scout it isn't gimped at all and the reason some of us are so for it is because the important things to the class are getting nerfed in the light weapon slots stead. Beyond that sg scout really is a skill less play style that subverts awareness, strategy, and gungame with has huge benefits... It would also lessen the effectiveness of strife scouts. Those two play styles are the reason scouts scouts get so much hate on the forums and the problem is that the scouts just say don't nerf me bro while the none scouts promote nerfs that have nothing to do with the problem they encounter because they have little idea of how the class plays and we end up with poor changes that are sure to destroy the class. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 209	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:27:00 - [24] - Quote You obviously have not played side arms scout it isn't gimped at all and the reason some of us are so for it is because the important things to the class are getting nerfed in the light weapon slots stead. Beyond that sg scout really is a skill less play style that subverts awareness, strategy, and gungame yet has huge benefits... It would also lessen the effectiveness of strife scouts. Those two play styles are the reason scouts scouts get so much hate on the forums and the problem is that the scouts just say don't nerf me bro while the none scouts promote nerfs that have nothing to do with the problem they encounter because they have little idea of how the class plays and we end up with poor changes that are sure to destroy the class. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 71	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:33:00 - [25] - Quote The nerf to cloaks was also the reduction in their scanning ability, was it not? With the constant scanning going on at the minute, the reduction in a cloaker's passive scan is hardly a nerf - they can see exactly where the enemy is already, as can the rest of their team. Ive actually seen (and heard squad mates complain about) more cloakers in the past 2 days than usual. I'm hoping that they were all just testing the changes though.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7425	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:35:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been shooting at the wall in Pub Contracts this morning, and I can shoot immediately out of cloak. I don't notice any delay (0.33 sec is a very short time) Don't be scared. Go the full 1 second delay. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 328	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:36:00 - [27] - Quote I don't play scout, well not a proper scout (Way Fast Logi, go!), but even I have to say that taking away a scout's option to use light weapons is stupid. It's right up there with the cries for logistics to be sidearm-only. Yes, there was a call for that during the time of 'slayer logis'. Now logistics are left to do logistics things with light weapon in hand and noone cares. All that needs be done is to find that right balance between cloak delay and weapon activation. Get that and noone will care if scouts can use light weapons.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10126	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:36:00 - [28] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: You obviously have not played side arms scout it isn't gimped at all and the reason some of us are so for it is because the important things to the class are getting nerfed in the light weapon slots stead. Beyond that sg scout really is a skill less play style that subverts awareness, strategy, and gungame and has huge benefits... It would also lessen the effectiveness of strife scouts. Those two play styles are the reason scouts scouts get so much hate on the forums and the problem is that the scouts just say don't nerf me bro while the none scouts promote nerfs that have nothing to do with the problem they encounter because they have little idea of how the class plays and we end up with poor changes that are sure to destroy the class. That first bit right there... let me reiterate what I just said. I'm a dedicated ninja knifer. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7425	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:38:00 - [29] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Called it! I would take what gav says with a grain of salt the .33 sec shouldn't effect a good scout at all. The ttk is and will remain the issue until scouts are side arm only. I mean if they raise it any more the failtard sgers will just drop the cloak after they already ruined it for everyone else. I hate this idea. I dread it even. Not for me, but for those who are not me. I'm a dedicated ninja knifer so I am not going to be affected by this. But others will. I may hate shotgunners a lot, but I don't hate them enough to warrant taking away their shotguns. I used to solely be a sidearm scout. Ran SMG+NK. Had a blast. Then the Combat Rifle came out. BK-42 had more range, higher DPS and cost less PG. Why wouldn't I use it over the SMG. Make the SMG less PG than a CR, and I would go back to my Six Kin SMG on my Scout fits. Until then, offer is off the table. After that, I really wouldn't care too much. I would just fit a Min Assault with a shotgun and damp it (I actually already have one of those, it even runs two damage mods on top of it.) Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 477	Posted - 2014.11.06 06:03:00 - [30] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: I lag a full one second behind the actual action. Stuff does not register until a second after it happens. You mean....I"M NO THE ONLY ONE???? AKA - StarVenger



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