DUST Search - [Suggestion] Increase Mass Driver efficacy against vehicles to 100%

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Finn Colman wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:

I'd prefer if only the breach operated that way, and the other two were just buffed a smidge more for efficiency.

Breach needs some serious love.

Yeah, breach MD as an AV weapon is an appealing fix. Makes it no longer useless and gives the minmatar an AV weapon at the same time.

It would be nice if when I shot my Breach MD at a dropship that is hovering over my team (which I usually do anyway if there aren't any other reds around) it would actually do something significant. I'm already fairly decent at hitting when I do that, so it kind of makes me sad that it only does 50% damage.

Edit: Even if it was 100% effective it would only do 420 damage, so either the effectiveness rating against vehicles would have to go up to 150%-200%(?) or the direct damage would have to go up significantly.

That would give it higher DPS than the Plasma Cannon. No.
Mass Drivers don't deserve to do higher DPS than a Plasma Cannon.

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I-Shayz-I I----------I 4929	Posted - 2014.11.04 18:31:00 - [1] - Quote Plasma Cannons are able to be effective at both killing infantry and vehicles, why not show some love for the Mass Driver? I should be able to at least scare away dropships with the thing, but when I'm only doing at most 40% of a direct hit damage, it's not even something they worry or care about. Getting direct hits isn't exactly easy either. So please? Maybe include the flaylock pistol along with this? It would actually create a use for the breach variants of these weapons as another form of AV and maybe help us see a bit more variety on the battlefield again. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2631	Posted - 2014.11.04 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote I'd prefer if only the breach operated that way, and the other two were just buffed a smidge more for efficiency. Breach needs some serious love. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4431	Posted - 2014.11.04 19:05:00 - [3] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I'd prefer if only the breach operated that way, and the other two were just buffed a smidge more for efficiency. Breach needs some serious love. Yeah, breach MD as an AV weapon is an appealing fix. Makes it no longer useless and gives the minmatar an AV weapon at the same time. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 49	Posted - 2014.11.04 19:23:00 - [4] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I'd prefer if only the breach operated that way, and the other two were just buffed a smidge more for efficiency. Breach needs some serious love. Yeah, breach MD as an AV weapon is an appealing fix. Makes it no longer useless and gives the minmatar an AV weapon at the same time. It would be nice if when I shot my Breach MD at a dropship that is hovering over my team (which I usually do anyway if there aren't any other reds around) it would actually do something significant. I'm already fairly decent at hitting when I do that, so it kind of makes me sad that it only does 50% damage. The little Min with the little voice.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 702	Posted - 2014.11.04 20:54:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah, in favor of this. The mass driver is a close range weapon when it comes to AV, a vehicle user can outrun the MD without a problem. But when they loiter, yes, it's time to get popped. Return efficiency to 100% for all MDs.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 51	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:07:00 - [6] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Yeah, in favor of this. The mass driver is a close range weapon when it comes to AV, a vehicle user can outrun the MD without a problem. But when they loiter, yes, it's time to get popped. Return efficiency to 100% for all MDs. I'm not sure if there is enough damage that 100% efficiency with the current damage to effectively deter anything more than a LAV, not even with the Breach MD. The little Min with the little voice.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 796	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:07:00 - [7] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I'd prefer if only the breach operated that way, and the other two were just buffed a smidge more for efficiency. Breach needs some serious love. Yeah, breach MD as an AV weapon is an appealing fix. Makes it no longer useless and gives the minmatar an AV weapon at the same time. It would be nice if when I shot my Breach MD at a dropship that is hovering over my team (which I usually do anyway if there aren't any other reds around) it would actually do something significant. I'm already fairly decent at hitting when I do that, so it kind of makes me sad that it only does 50% damage. Edit: Even if it was 100% effective it would only do 420 damage, so either the effectiveness rating against vehicles would have to go up to 150%-200%(?) or the direct damage would have to go up significantly. That would give it higher DPS than the Plasma Cannon. No. Mass Drivers don't deserve to do higher DPS than a Plasma Cannon. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 51	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:14:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Finn Colman wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I'd prefer if only the breach operated that way, and the other two were just buffed a smidge more for efficiency. Breach needs some serious love. Yeah, breach MD as an AV weapon is an appealing fix. Makes it no longer useless and gives the minmatar an AV weapon at the same time. It would be nice if when I shot my Breach MD at a dropship that is hovering over my team (which I usually do anyway if there aren't any other reds around) it would actually do something significant. I'm already fairly decent at hitting when I do that, so it kind of makes me sad that it only does 50% damage. Edit: Even if it was 100% effective it would only do 420 damage, so either the effectiveness rating against vehicles would have to go up to 150%-200%(?) or the direct damage would have to go up significantly. That would give it higher DPS than the Plasma Cannon. No. Mass Drivers don't deserve to do higher DPS than a Plasma Cannon. Sorry, yeah. I did the math, just a second ago, and found that it can actually do enough damage to effectively deter most vehicles once skill bonuses are applied... I completely forgot to consider that the first time... 100% would be good enough. I completely forgot to do any sort of actual math the first time... sorry. The little Min with the little voice.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 420	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:16:00 - [9] - Quote Agreed, signed. +1 Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 705	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:51:00 - [10] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Yeah, in favor of this. The mass driver is a close range weapon when it comes to AV, a vehicle user can outrun the MD without a problem. But when they loiter, yes, it's time to get popped. Return efficiency to 100% for all MDs. I'm not sure if there is enough damage that 100% efficiency with the current damage to effectively deter anything more than a LAV, not even with the Breach MD. It'll be fine. I was popping stupid dropships and cornered tanks left and right before they nerfed it. LAVs were actually the slippery ones due to their speed.

Finn Colman Immortal Guides 51	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:53:00 - [11] - Quote A quick note, I've edited my former posts to correct for my own idiocy, hopefully. The little Min with the little voice.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14170	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote I don't feel like I need another thing to worry about on the field. Once CCP ends the reign of Jihad Jeeps I'm all pro-Breach Mass Driver. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 51	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:04:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't feel like I need another thing to worry about on the field. Once CCP ends the reign of Jihad Jeeps I'm all pro-Breach Mass Driver. I don't really blame you, I've seen one of those things flying at a HAV and while I usually am happy that the tank is gone (because most of the time I see this being done when nothing else is really working), I do hate that it ended in that way. I don't like the Jihad Jeeps even if they're on my team, probably because it is tantamount to getting my ADS rammed by militia DS. The little Min with the little voice.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14171	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:11:00 - [14] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't feel like I need another thing to worry about on the field. Once CCP ends the reign of Jihad Jeeps I'm all pro-Breach Mass Driver. I don't really blame you, I've seen one of those things flying at a HAV and while I usually am happy that the tank is gone (because most of the time I see this being done when nothing else is really working), I do hate that it ended in that way. I don't like the Jihad Jeeps even if they're on my team, probably because it is tantamount to getting my ADS rammed by militia DS. Just think. My HAV costs 824,000 ISK........ if I had a Marauder that would cost 1.5+ Million ISK....... One BPO Jeep, BPO Suit, and 7000 ISK remotes.......... I crai erry tyme. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Victor Moody Stahl Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 94	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:18:00 - [15] - Quote Just throwing in my 0.02 ISK: YES. The Breach variant (but only the Breach) of the MD should absolutely have 100% efficiency against vehicles. Also, Jihad Jeeps sort of work in Battlefield. However, in DUST, where it's a case of "ludicrously cheap, near-zero SP investment required, and nearly idiot proof" is killing "ISK expensive, SP intensive, have to actually have player skill"... then yeah, we need to fix that. At first, it might have been all sandbox, but by this point JJs are just stupid. Buff Logis \| Nerf Scouts
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2084	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:00:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Plasma Cannons are able to be effective at both killing infantry and vehicles, why not show some love for the Mass Driver? I should be able to at least scare away dropships with the thing, but when I'm only doing at most 40% of a direct hit damage, it's not even something they worry or care about. Getting direct hits isn't exactly easy either. So please? Maybe include the flaylock pistol along with this? It would actually create a use for the breach variants of these weapons as another form of AV and maybe help us see a bit more variety on the battlefield again. Bringing this old nugget back, eh? All for it, as always. I wonder if Ratatti is alerted when his name is posted and the only sure way to get him to see your thread is to say his name 3 times..... Rattati..... Rattati...... Rattati..... Side thought: Might want to recruit that Finn Coleman guy into something quick, dude is WAAAAY too humble and moral with his posts. Poor bastard will get eaten alive in here... Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1468	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:10:00 - [17] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Plasma Cannons are able to be effective at both killing infantry and vehicles, why not show some love for the Mass Driver? I should be able to at least scare away dropships with the thing, but when I'm only doing at most 40% of a direct hit damage, it's not even something they worry or care about. Getting direct hits isn't exactly easy either. So please? Maybe include the flaylock pistol along with this? It would actually create a use for the breach variants of these weapons as another form of AV and maybe help us see a bit more variety on the battlefield again. +1. Sensible. I'm talking as a tanker here (haven't used MDs since... Chromosome? or was it uprising 1.0?) People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1220	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:12:00 - [18] - Quote Yas i like Mass Driver Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4942	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:14:00 - [19] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Bringing this old nugget back, eh? All for it, as always. I wonder if Ratatti is alerted when his name is posted and the only sure way to get him to see your thread is to say his name 3 times.... Well seeing as how both the sidearm maximum range and sprint glitch were both looked into because I made videos about them...yet were ignored for the longest time no matter how many times they were brought up... I might just have to start making videos about EVERY problem in Dust. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
IZI doro Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 26	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:02:00 - [20] - Quote Uses 'komi needle "Team Revive +90" MDs need their mobile armor deterrence back! Even if a new variant needs to be made, the Mass Driver is already a perfect candidate for the Matari "Racial Light AV Weapon." SIDENOTE: Amarr Laser Rifle should also receive mobile armor deterrence capabilities. -Amarr AV: Laser Rifle -Caldari AV: Swarm Lancher & AV Grenade -Gallente AV: Plasma Cannon -Minmatar AV: Mass Driver, (Packed) Remote Explosives, & Proximity Explosives Ignorance is only a problem when left untreated. Stop the spread of ignorance with a daily dose of knowledge!

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6493	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:21:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't feel like I need another thing to worry about on the field. Once CCP ends the reign of Jihad Jeeps I'm all pro-Breach Mass Driver. I'm pro Jihad Jeep. Even if I'm never the one driving them. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14631	Posted - 2014.12.20 00:48:00 - [22] - Quote Even with 100% efficiency the Mass Drivers would still be a terrible AV weapon. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 178	Posted - 2014.12.20 01:03:00 - [23] - Quote I would suggest making the breach flaylock has a damage efficacy of 300% against tanks and dropships and LAVs. While making the breach mass driver have 90% efficacy against tanks and dropships and LAVs. And make the normal variant mass drivers do 70& efficacy against tanks and dropships and LAVs. The assault MD could have 50% efficacy against tanks and LAVs and dropships.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:14:00 - [24] - Quote Last time I fired my Breach MD at an ADS it had a an 80% rating against the shields (HAVs are 50%). The ADS did not appear to be worried at all, not even after I shot it three times. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16199	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:19:00 - [25] - Quote I cry every time someone suggests adding more AV options, especially explosive ones, in an AV climate where there are literally half a dozen more effective anti armour options, and no one ever makes a comment of gives a **** about how mediocre being a vehicle pilot in this game is..... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 157	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:28:00 - [26] - Quote If there's going to be more AV added, can we at least get through adding the missing Heavy Weapons first before making new Light AV? Well, that and bringing back the missing HAVs and then balancing the current one. Purifier. First Class.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:39:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I cry every time someone suggests adding more AV options, especially explosive ones, in an AV climate where there are literally half a dozen more effective anti armour options, and no one ever makes a comment of gives a ** about how mediocre being a vehicle pilot in this game is..... We definitely need some Anti-shield AV, I only recently started flying shield DS and it felt too safe in comparison to the armor DS, and the armor DS are killed way too easily. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.**
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4064	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:13:00 - [28] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: True Adamance wrote: I cry every time someone suggests adding more AV options, especially explosive ones, in an AV climate where there are literally half a dozen more effective anti armour options, and no one ever makes a comment of gives a ** about how mediocre being a vehicle pilot in this game is..... We definitely need some Anti-shield AV, I only recently started flying shield DS and it felt too safe in comparison to the armor DS, and the armor DS are killed way too easily. Indeed Do we really need MORE anti-armor AV right now? "That little st Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 639	Posted - 2014.12.22 12:03:00 - [29] - Quote I prefer armor to shields and i get behind this idea. Solves the problem of bringing in / designing more light weapon AV, we have another racial form of AV, mass driverss are hardly accurate enough or have long enough range to really hurt a mobile tank or dropship but will certainly give camping vehicles some issues. It wil take some skill for AV to ue, and this brings in more rewarding gameplay Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Bojo The Mighty Condor Squad 5344	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:29:00 - [30] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: That would give it higher DPS than the Plasma Cannon. No. Mass Drivers don't deserve to do higher DPS than a Plasma Cannon. DPS is hella relative when talking about PLC and Mass Driver, but really since you brought it up, I think you should acknowledge the high alpha damage of the PLC and the awesome advantage that offers. Bojo For CPM



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