**** man i'm going to feel guilty pulling out my proto forge anymore

then again...

i just remembered there was a python doing insanely well in a proto stomp. shot down my forge gun suit right as it spawned. so there's still that.

If only people realised that trying to suppress infantry for your blueberries to push more effectively is rarely easy because of the 404 Swarmers that appear immediately and blow your **** off.


Funny, I never see anyone say, "You should put away your Scout/Assault/Sentinel"

Funny, I never see anyone say, "You should put away your Scout/Assault/Sentinel"

How else are we going to clear those damn rooftop camping uplinks? Certainly not with OBs anymore.

Especially the tricky as hell ones that you can't OB and have a hard time landing a MLT dropship on.

****, I might skill into a python just for this purpose alone. (Or I guess an Incubus to be harder to kill)

You was never able to clear rooftops with OB..

I should just make a chat channel called "bringing ADS back" where ADS pilots can find squads that are willing to hunt down and destroy swarm users. Or maybe call it "swarm hunters."

It seems to me like Rattati was looking at the wrong data... just comparing one SL user to one ADS pilot. Would've probably turned out better if he had compared 2 swarm launchers VS one ADS.

says the guy who tried to get the swarm launcher officer weapon

So what?

Hearing the words "swarms do more damage than forge guns now" was all I needed to know. That's ridiculous.

No one said they were useless. Heck, I almost always have a seat in PC as a pilot.

A lot of the complaints come from the effectiveness of swarms now. Swarms have higher sustained DPS than an Assault Forge (and that's before Commando bonuses), near perfect damage application (at least against ADSs), and also a slew of bugs that make it even more difficult to engage.

Not to mention that there are still some things wrong with ADSs: AV is much more difficult (especially in a rail incubus), Python is capable of both AV and AI at the same time (would actually be a nerf to ADSs), skill bonuses are lackluster. To name a few.

How else are we going to clear those damn rooftop camping uplinks? Certainly not with OBs anymore.

Especially the tricky as hell ones that you can't OB and have a hard time landing a MLT dropship on.

****, I might skill into a python just for this purpose alone. (Or I guess an Incubus to be harder to kill)

• Kaalakiota Forge Gun: 1656HP
• Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher: 1248HP

Either you're mistaking damage for a different stat, or you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

However, in the time it takes to charge a forge, you can have the first volley impact, another sent and be locking in the third.

Bad Comparison IMO.

On one hand, I'm fine with ADS's being much more fragile. But if they are going to be fragile little butterflies, they NEED to be cheaper.

Much cheaper. Like 150k for a full fit (which is the iconic price of a full proto fit)

I can pull of some crazy **** at double the range of a swarm launcher though. I don't even know how I do it without a mouse and keyboard.

How else are we going to clear those damn rooftop camping uplinks? Certainly not with OBs anymore.

Especially the tricky as hell ones that you can't OB and have a hard time landing a MLT dropship on.

****, I might skill into a python just for this purpose alone. (Or I guess an Incubus to be harder to kill)

its a shame isnt it? vets whined about OBs being too frequant.. got nerfed.. roof camping became viable..

lower OB cost == high risk to be an entrenched roof camper.

see the logic?

PS if its vs swarms then python is best becasue of...
-20% explosive to shields (swarms are explosive)
and then hardner +60% resist
so that == 80% resists to swarms

only problem then is you will need high sp in ads and support skills to increase duration of moduals to keep up your defence vs swarms.. its only the lower sp ADS pilots who seem to whine they are not godmode.. iv had a single 25m+ sp ads pilot single handed hold off and push back a teams advance and shrug off 1-2 AV swarmers (was useing adv dmg modsx3+adv swarms) and could only do maybe 10-15% damage to shields before i got blapped in the face by a missile.. and then i come back in a rail tank to try suprise kill her from an elevated position, after her initial panic some comes back buzzes around myself and kills me in the tank even at spawn..

so no.. ads are still goddamn powerful but it takes too much commitment/isk vs throwaway MLT dropship or Orbital

so orbital cost NEEDS to be lowered

However, in the time it takes to charge a forge, you can have the first volley impact, another sent and be locking in the third.

Bad Comparison IMO.

On one hand, I'm fine with ADS's being much more fragile. But if they are going to be fragile little butterflies, they NEED to be cheaper.

Much cheaper. Like 150k for a full fit (which is the iconic price of a full proto fit)

I love how people keep saying they used to be god mode. If i can go 30/2 with my f*cking plasma cannon then, why the f*ck do people get mad when i do the same in an ads. I am seriously tired of these double standards where a scout averages 20-40 kills in a match, a rail rifle can average 15 - 30 easy yet, god forbid the ads gunner gets 20 kills which means that the pilot and gunner got 10 kills each. Even if the gunner gets 40 kills its still 20 kills for the pilot and 20 kills for the gunner.

Seriously i went 23 - 2 with my qaufe heavy in militia gear and no one gave a flying f*ck. This community is filled with hypocrites.

I love how people keep saying they used to be god mode. If i can go 30/2 with my f*cking plasma cannon then, why the f*ck do people get mad when i do the same in an ads. I am seriously tired of these double standards where a scout averages 20-40 kills in a match, a rail rifle can average 15 - 30 easy yet, god forbid the ads gunner gets 20 kills which means that the pilot and gunner got 10 kills each. Even if the gunner gets 40 kills its still 20 kills for the pilot and 20 kills for the gunner.

Seriously i went 23 - 2 with my qaufe heavy in militia gear and no one gave a flying f*ck. This community is filled with hypocrites.

Who said ads were "farming infantry"? You don't even have a clue what it's like to fly, a player on the ground going 50-0 gets GGs and Join in my duna corp? And dropship pilots who go even 20 kills get told they are abusing the ads and are "farming infantry", what the hell do you think the purpose of a gunship is, to throw flowers at people??? With the redline rails, automatic turrets with 12000 Ehp, 2 shot killing rail tanks, missile tanks, buildings and obstacles, swarms that don't render as well as the people who fire them, forge guns that can 3 shot an incubus, rammers and enemy ads pilots it is NOT farming or anything near as trivial. Every game a pilot flies he has to give 110% because a small error such as not flying away after a swarm volley hits you can lead to certain death. You have no idea how it feels to be flying at max speed hundreds of metres away from a swarmer knowing their final volley will definitely hit you and kill you, and the feeling of hopelessness as a result of not being able to dodge swarms. And yet you easy mode scout scrub have the cheek to accuse ads pilots of "farming"? Go get road killed by a lav mate. Rant over.

No, it just isn't all about you. What you can do is not relevant, what IS relevant is how each of those fits average overall. There are scouts going 30/0 but plenty of scouts going 1/10. There were ADS going 10/0 but no one was going 1/10. Not hypocrites, right.