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Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 450	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:42:00 - [1] - Quote Seems it will help newbros close the gap quicker to me, but I'm curious what folks here think. So far the count is; YES - 2 Me Vell0cet NO - 1 (that dude that wrote the rambling diatribe about it being terrible) Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 173	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:45:00 - [2] - Quote **** you too Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2454	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:47:00 - [3] - Quote I'm happy new players can catch up more quickly. I do worry though about how this is compatible with a 10+ year plan for DUST & Legion. There is going to be a lot of rage if SP doesn't carry over to Legion. Best PvE idea ever!
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 450	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:47:00 - [4] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: **** you too haha oh hey bro your back Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 613	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:48:00 - [5] - Quote Gets everyone to max their **** out sooner = less one sided battles (in theory, hopefully they know how to use it!)
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 450	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:48:00 - [6] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I'm happy new players can catch up more quickly. I do worry though about how this is compatible with a 10+ year plan for DUST & Legion. There is going to be a lot of rage if SP doesn't carry over to Legion. SP not carrying over would be a pretty valid rage point Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 377	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:49:00 - [7] - Quote No Take a bow
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 307	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:49:00 - [8] - Quote LOL, it's not 4th of November yet--the cap hasn't happened yet. You can't really be sure how your gameplay behavior is going to change until you ACTUALLY start working with the new cap. NOTHING in Dust has happened until the Uprising Patch actually activates. LOL, why do ya love to torture yourself by speculating on your own reactions? ...We will see. I won't make my decisions until a week after I've tried it out. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 450	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:49:00 - [9] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Gets everyone to max their **** out sooner = less one sided battles (in theory, hopefully they know how to use it!) haha so that's a yes right? Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 613	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:49:00 - [10] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Vell0cet wrote: I'm happy new players can catch up more quickly. I do worry though about how this is compatible with a 10+ year plan for DUST & Legion. There is going to be a lot of rage if SP doesn't carry over to Legion. SP not carrying over would be a pretty valid rage point I disagree, Legion should have a fresh start. Or at least dump all the Dust players into a separate server... Who wants more new player farming?

Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 450	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:52:00 - [11] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: LOL, it's not 4th of November yet--the cap hasn't happened yet. You can't really be sure how your gameplay behavior is going to change until you ACTUALLY start working with the new cap. NOTHING in Dust has happened until the Uprising Patch actually activates. LOL, why do ya love to torture yourself by speculating on your own reactions? ...We will see. I won't make my decisions until a week after I've tried it out. it was more of a response to some people throwing a hissy fit because new kids can catch up quicker. personally I'll never cap so the ammount matters very little to me Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Atiim 13282	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:57:00 - [12] - Quote Yes, I'm very happy. The amount if time it took to obtain all the Skills needed to be even a remote challenge to veterans was far too much, which made even Public Contracts unplayable for most new players. Now that it won't take half a year to be competitive, we should see an increase in player retention and perhaps even more balanced matches, as more and more players will be able to put up a fight. Sure, you can earn a lot of SP via SP Boosters, but after you get your cores maxed it doesn't help you win at all. The only thing you'd be accomplishing is increased versatility, something that can be done for free anyways. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4334	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:02:00 - [13] - Quote I'm okay with it. I have capped out maybe twice in my entire Dust "career". If you have the drive, and are enjoying the game enough, to reach 750,000 SP then you ******* earned it. My advice to you, playa...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5126	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:16:00 - [14] - Quote I like it. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 141	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:21:00 - [15] - Quote If it's 750k active SP then No. If it's active +passive = 750k then I'm okay with it. Sorry for my bad english.
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 20	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:21:00 - [16] - Quote I actually quite like the new SP cap. Doesn't make me feel bad for capping out on Saturdays and having to get between 300 SP and 550 SP for the remaining four days. :P Check out https://player.me/. :) If you sign up, use invite code aiwhabait
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 44	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:33:00 - [17] - Quote Sounds awesome to me ScReWeD uP InC CEO. Search SUinc and apply. All welcome. Ex-MOOSE-KNUCKLEz Director No You Can't Have My ISK
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 222	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:35:00 - [18] - Quote how long will it take before everyone is skilled into proto everything and want to play with their new toys? Oh Joy..... more proto stomps
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 311	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:38:00 - [19] - Quote Add me to the yes list but really suspect about triple boosters.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 404	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:39:00 - [20] - Quote I'm a no. Nerf scouts. Vote YES for balance. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 900	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:13:00 - [21] - Quote I'm indifferent about it. I never cap out in the first place so I really don't care. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
TritusX PH4NT0M5 44	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:42:00 - [22] - Quote I don't care because I never max out anyway 1.9 Killing scouts? Nop
LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game RUST415 133	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:43:00 - [23] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: **** you too ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) ( -í° -£-û -í°) `SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED`
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1921	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:47:00 - [24] - Quote With respecs only a purchase away, and more than 55m SP (i.e. no need to cap out any more), I really don't care. If it makes the players with less SP play more, then I'm all for it.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 459	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:52:00 - [25] - Quote All the people that say no want to farm some more new players. Let them catch up a bit, I hate these matches that are decided within the first 2 minutes. Yes
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4141	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:54:00 - [26] - Quote I'm neutral on this matter.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2454	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:02:00 - [27] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: Vell0cet wrote: I'm happy new players can catch up more quickly. I do worry though about how this is compatible with a 10+ year plan for DUST & Legion. There is going to be a lot of rage if SP doesn't carry over to Legion. SP not carrying over would be a pretty valid rage point I disagree, Legion should have a fresh start. Or at least dump all the Dust players into a separate server... Who wants more new player farming? I completely disagree with this argument. It's totally shortsighted thinking. So let's go with your suggestion for a minute and wipe the slate clean. What happens in 2 years after Legion's launch when once again there is a huge SP disparity between new and old players? Are you going to do another SP reset to 0? It's not a viable long term plan. The real problem is how to integrate low SP players and high sp players. The way to do this is with an optional academy mode for players under 5 mill SP. Combine this with a larger player population and better matchmaking and you've got a long term solution that doesn't involve pissing off the most dedicated supporters of the game. Best PvE idea ever!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4209	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:24:00 - [28] - Quote Thoroughly yes. This is good. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Deputy ReGnUM Bragian Order Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:29:00 - [29] - Quote #WeeklyProtoSuits
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 223	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:56:00 - [30] - Quote Deputy ReGnUM wrote: #WeeklyProtoSuits before month end watch for the forums to get bombed with "increase the isk payout" threads

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1247	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:56:00 - [31] - Quote Most of that SP will go to vets, they will top the leaderboards and get the lion's share of each match. Since it gains you less advantage at higher levels though it should end up leveling the player field a bit, which is a good thing. Because, that's why.
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 185	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:58:00 - [32] - Quote I don't have a problem with it. It helps new players catch up, but for those of us who already have 30mil SP + we can use it to pull away farther, etc. CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 734	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:11:00 - [33] - Quote 750 is too much, 350 maybe but 750 no. Then what 3x sp events and active omega booster sales and two prototype suits in a week???!!! Na fak that, too noobalicious if you ask me! DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1786	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:21:00 - [34] - Quote TBH I don't mind the new cap at all. If Newbies can reach me at a certain rate that Also Means I can outrun them At the same pace effectively keeping the gap as large as I want to keep it. When I am satisfied with the amount of SP I have I will stop buying boosters, If I want a new proto I'll buy some more and done. It would have been better if they did this years ago but hey, it's going to be here now and we might as well take advantage of it. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
Immortal John Ripper 25401	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:24:00 - [35] - Quote I vote yes. /thread. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6217	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:56:00 - [36] - Quote Yes, very happy. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6217	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:57:00 - [37] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: TBH I don't mind the new cap at all. If Newbies can reach me at a certain rate that Also Means I can outrun them At the same pace effectively keeping the gap as large as I want to keep it. When I am satisfied with the amount of SP I have I will stop buying boosters, If I want a new proto I'll buy some more and done. It would have been better if they did this years ago but hey, it's going to be here now and we might as well take advantage of it. That gap is finite, so no you can't. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1452	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:58:00 - [38] - Quote NO Hmm was I the rambler I wonder... People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6217	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:58:00 - [39] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: Vell0cet wrote: I'm happy new players can catch up more quickly. I do worry though about how this is compatible with a 10+ year plan for DUST & Legion. There is going to be a lot of rage if SP doesn't carry over to Legion. SP not carrying over would be a pretty valid rage point I disagree, Legion should have a fresh start. Or at least dump all the Dust players into a separate server... Who wants more new player farming? I completely disagree with this argument. It's totally shortsighted thinking. So let's go with your suggestion for a minute and wipe the slate clean. What happens in 2 years after Legion's launch when once again there is a huge SP disparity between new and old players? Are you going to do another SP reset to 0? It's not a viable long term plan. The real problem is how to integrate low SP players and high sp players. The way to do this is with an optional academy mode for players under 5 mill SP. Combine this with a larger player population and better matchmaking and you've got a long term solution that doesn't involve pissing off the most dedicated supporters of the game. Easily done with Eves security level space. That way, people will only experience what they want, when they want. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 224	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:49:00 - [40] - Quote zDemoncake wrote: I don't have a problem with it. It helps new players catch up, but for those of us who already have 30mil SP + we can use it to pull away farther, etc. And for those of us with 50/60/70 mil+ there is nowhere to go to

Green Living SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 1253	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:52:00 - [41] - Quote I'm sitting on 55 mil SP, count me as indifferent.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 678	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:19:00 - [42] - Quote Very thouroughly yes. It sucks when you cap, have the hardest match of your life, and get 1000 SP. Now it'll take longer "You insulted my boat. No one insults my boat. It no doubt cost more then the entire village you came from." - Roman83
13ear 262	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:20:00 - [43] - Quote An increase to the current weekly cap was definitely needed, almost quadrupling it however, was a little excessive. I'd say 380k SP would be better, especially considering those willing to buy AUR can now triple stack active + passive boosters. There's just not enough skills in the game to warrant a cap this high. I'm by no means against the average player catching up to those of us who have an abundance of SP; The disparity between new players & vets needs to be lessened or the game will never move forward. I just fear that a few months from now, those of us who already have most the skill trees we want maxed out will have nothing left to look forward to. (Which goes against everything that makes Dust great.) So in conclusion, be careful what you wish for. One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings - Diogenes Winner of EU Squad Cup
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1193	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:22:00 - [44] - Quote Meeeeeee i love it Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5712	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:27:00 - [45] - Quote Against new skill cap, but mainly for selfish reasons :D EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 196	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:39:00 - [46] - Quote I am I might actually play more and spend less time on the forums lol. Let us rejoice... The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.Wizard Talk
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6224	Posted - 2014.10.31 00:06:00 - [47] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Against new skill cap, but mainly for selfish reasons :D Got to much work/school barely cap as is, no way i will cap after new SP cap. Ah but look at it this way. You'll be able to earn more than the pre 1.9's cap much quicker. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 636	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:28:00 - [48] - Quote So I rarely buy boosters EDIT (I bought one, and that was for the Million Clone challenge, so I don't now how they work in "normal" weeks), so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6226	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:29:00 - [49] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. I am GJR's Renfield lol 1.9 ftw!.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 636	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:36:00 - [50] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. Seriously? 2.2 Million a week? People are going to going from 0-proto every other week in a new suit. I don't ever come close to capping out now. With this formula, a brand new, fresh merc out of the academy, if s/he is willing to pay some money, will catch and surpass me in total SP in under 3 months (I'm at about 21 million SP right now). This is the definition of pay to win. I've had to grind for a year and a 1/2 (I did take a hiatus in the middle and I have other obligations outside this game) to get to that point. Someone can walk in, throw some cash around, and surpass me in total SP in 1/6th the time simply because they are willing to pay? If this is the case, why have a cap at all? Let people stack 5 Omega Boosters with no cap and let people hit 10 million a week. Or 20 Million a week. At what point WILL it be too much for you? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.

Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 143	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:42:00 - [51] - Quote This new cap is gonna ruin all the purpose of Dust. We play Dust because we know it's hard, but when we finally succeed, it's rewarding. We waited 1 month and a half to get this proto suit we cherish, then spent months to get some passives that changes everything, and worked hard to have good weapons. Now what? You'll stack 3 omegas and you'll go for 3M SP per week : 1 full proto suit from lvl 0 basic to 5 racial. 1 DAMN WEEK !? And all of these scrubs are happy because they'll finally have what they dont deserve. Why would anyone play a game with 0 challenge constantly screwed up -update after update - by the dev team? Sorry for my bad english.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6226	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:43:00 - [52] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. Seriously? 2.2 Million a week? People are going to going from 0-proto every other week in a new suit. I don't ever come close to capping out now. With this formula, a brand new, fresh merc out of the academy, if s/he is willing to pay some money, will catch and surpass me in total SP in under 3 months (I'm at about 21 million SP right now). This is the definition of pay to win. I've had to grind for a year and a 1/2 (I did take a hiatus in the middle and I have other obligations outside this game) to get to that point. Someone can walk in, throw some cash around, and surpass me in total SP in 1/6th the time simply because they are willing to pay? If this is the case, why have a cap at all? Let people stack 5 Omega Boosters with no cap and let people hit 10 million a week. Or 20 Million a week. At what point WILL it be too much for you? Let's see. This char has 39 mil sp My alt has 24 mil sp My tanker has 18 mil sp Iv spent -ú1000+ to hoard isk and run isk less proto fits for over the almost 2 years now. Im not mad that players can catch up. They won't reach anything I can't do or gain anything unobtainable. They can pay to skip the grind for all I care. They cannot reach some magical op level and we can also earn more than the cap at something like x3 the rate. You yourself can earn the pre 1.9 cap x3 faster as well. Anyway, you didn't actually state why its too much, you just gave me your selfish opinion. I am GJR's Renfield lol 1.9 ftw!.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 668	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:47:00 - [53] - Quote OP, I think the new cap is a fantastic development. I'm excited for all the new bros who will become competitive far more quickly and all the vets who will get to enjoy the pleasures of exploring other roles. Take it from a 70 mil SP vet, we all win with this new cap. SMB
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 143	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:53:00 - [54] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. Seriously? 2.2 Million a week? People are going to going from 0-proto every other week in a new suit. I don't ever come close to capping out now. With this formula, a brand new, fresh merc out of the academy, if s/he is willing to pay some money, will catch and surpass me in total SP in under 3 months (I'm at about 21 million SP right now). This is the definition of pay to win. I've had to grind for a year and a 1/2 (I did take a hiatus in the middle and I have other obligations outside this game) to get to that point. Someone can walk in, throw some cash around, and surpass me in total SP in 1/6th the time simply because they are willing to pay? If this is the case, why have a cap at all? Let people stack 5 Omega Boosters with no cap and let people hit 10 million a week. Or 20 Million a week. At what point WILL it be too much for you? Let's see. This char has 39 mil sp My alt has 24 mil sp My tanker has 18 mil sp Iv spent -ú1000+ to hoard isk and run isk less proto fits for over the almost 2 years now. Im not mad that players can catch up. They won't reach anything I can't do or gain anything unobtainable. They can pay to skip the grind for all I care. They cannot reach some magical op level and we can also earn more than the cap at something like x3 the rate. You yourself can earn the pre 1.9 cap x3 faster as well. Anyway, you didn't actually state why its too much, you just gave me your selfish opinion. Read my post above and you'll see why. It's not even about money, nor selfishness, it's the entire goal of the game on which they are sh!tting on. A MMORPG (FPS too for Dust) is based on constant grinding. What makes it attractful is the challenge to have everything you want, with 1.9, there will be no challenge. You can add me in the NO list. Sorry for my bad english.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6226	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:02:00 - [55] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. Seriously? 2.2 Million a week? People are going to going from 0-proto every other week in a new suit. I don't ever come close to capping out now. With this formula, a brand new, fresh merc out of the academy, if s/he is willing to pay some money, will catch and surpass me in total SP in under 3 months (I'm at about 21 million SP right now). This is the definition of pay to win. I've had to grind for a year and a 1/2 (I did take a hiatus in the middle and I have other obligations outside this game) to get to that point. Someone can walk in, throw some cash around, and surpass me in total SP in 1/6th the time simply because they are willing to pay? If this is the case, why have a cap at all? Let people stack 5 Omega Boosters with no cap and let people hit 10 million a week. Or 20 Million a week. At what point WILL it be too much for you? Let's see. This char has 39 mil sp My alt has 24 mil sp My tanker has 18 mil sp Iv spent -ú1000+ to hoard isk and run isk less proto fits for over the almost 2 years now. Im not mad that players can catch up. They won't reach anything I can't do or gain anything unobtainable. They can pay to skip the grind for all I care. They cannot reach some magical op level and we can also earn more than the cap at something like x3 the rate. You yourself can earn the pre 1.9 cap x3 faster as well. Anyway, you didn't actually state why its too much, you just gave me your selfish opinion. Read my post above and you'll see why. It's not even about money, nor selfishness, it's the entire goal of the game on which they are sh!tting on. A MMORPG (FPS too for Dust) is based on constant grinding. What makes it attractful is the challenge to have everything you want, with 1.9, there will be no challenge. You can add me in the NO list. Yeah I read your post. What you find attractive in a game (grinding for ages) is not what everyone appreciates, its that simple. Dusts stats have also backed that up and the game is nice and stable and we can expect to actually keep players now. Anyone who has played dust long enough can see this is a good thing provided they aren't short sighted and just mad that they no longer have such a large advantage 90% of the time through sp utility. You still have all your stuff, your stuff isn't going to magically become obsolete, the new players aren't going to obtain anything you don't already have or can't get, they will have no actual advantage. They might get ahead sure, but they'll pay out the arse for it and by your own logic, shouldn't you be mad at beta vets?. Ah also, that's pretty dim of you. There will be no challenge with newbs getting competitive quickly but there is with gaining sp?. That is so backwards, go play destiny or wow. I am GJR's Renfield lol 1.9 ftw!.
JP Acuna Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 270	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:04:00 - [56] - Quote Good for new players. Not good for balance between casual and hardcore players. I'm never gonna cap out again with my current life state which doesn't make me happy, but then again i just reached 50mill SP so i'm not so worried about big SP investments. It's just sad i won't cap out every week. I don't know... i guess veterans don't get much more OP after a certain point, so... I don't know how to feel, don't listen to me.
Russel Mendoza Klandatu 1	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:08:00 - [57] - Quote freaking hell yes, the more sp the better.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 198	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:15:00 - [58] - Quote Lol this just shows how bad the don't nerf me bro is look at these guys like I will no longer have a huge advantage lmao. This will make isk the dividing factor so you will still have your huge advantage over new players lol relax scrubs. The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.Wizard Talk
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 637	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:17:00 - [59] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. Seriously? 2.2 Million a week? People are going to going from 0-proto every other week in a new suit. I don't ever come close to capping out now. With this formula, a brand new, fresh merc out of the academy, if s/he is willing to pay some money, will catch and surpass me in total SP in under 3 months (I'm at about 21 million SP right now). This is the definition of pay to win. I've had to grind for a year and a 1/2 (I did take a hiatus in the middle and I have other obligations outside this game) to get to that point. Someone can walk in, throw some cash around, and surpass me in total SP in 1/6th the time simply because they are willing to pay? If this is the case, why have a cap at all? Let people stack 5 Omega Boosters with no cap and let people hit 10 million a week. Or 20 Million a week. At what point WILL it be too much for you? Let's see. This char has 39 mil sp My alt has 24 mil sp My tanker has 18 mil sp Iv spent -ú1000+ to hoard isk and run isk less proto fits for over the almost 2 years now. Im not mad that players can catch up. They won't reach anything I can't do or gain anything unobtainable. They can pay to skip the grind for all I care. They cannot reach some magical op level and we can also earn more than the cap at something like x3 the rate. You yourself can earn the pre 1.9 cap x3 faster as well. Anyway, you didn't actually state why its too much, you just gave me your selfish opinion. And you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and if you feel that way, bravo. I just feel it is going to throw everything even MORE out of balance. Who is usually on top of the boards at the end of the match? Vets. Which means they will get more SP then they used to. Which is going to create an even LARGER gap between the casual and hardcore, new player and veteran. Honestly, no one but Vets have a realistic snowball's chance in hell of coming close to capping out (newer players will rage quit well before they even come close once they are out of the battle academy. I just see this as becoming another case of "the rich get richer" Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6226	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:32:00 - [60] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. Seriously? 2.2 Million a week? People are going to going from 0-proto every other week in a new suit. I don't ever come close to capping out now. With this formula, a brand new, fresh merc out of the academy, if s/he is willing to pay some money, will catch and surpass me in total SP in under 3 months (I'm at about 21 million SP right now). This is the definition of pay to win. I've had to grind for a year and a 1/2 (I did take a hiatus in the middle and I have other obligations outside this game) to get to that point. Someone can walk in, throw some cash around, and surpass me in total SP in 1/6th the time simply because they are willing to pay? If this is the case, why have a cap at all? Let people stack 5 Omega Boosters with no cap and let people hit 10 million a week. Or 20 Million a week. At what point WILL it be too much for you? Let's see. This char has 39 mil sp My alt has 24 mil sp My tanker has 18 mil sp Iv spent -ú1000+ to hoard isk and run isk less proto fits for over the almost 2 years now. Im not mad that players can catch up. They won't reach anything I can't do or gain anything unobtainable. They can pay to skip the grind for all I care. They cannot reach some magical op level and we can also earn more than the cap at something like x3 the rate. You yourself can earn the pre 1.9 cap x3 faster as well. Anyway, you didn't actually state why its too much, you just gave me your selfish opinion. And you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and if you feel that way, bravo. I just feel it is going to throw everything even MORE out of balance. Who is usually on top of the boards at the end of the match? Vets. Which means they will get more SP then they used to. Which is going to create an even LARGER gap between the casual and hardcore, new player and veteran. Honestly, no one but Vets have a realistic snowball's chance in hell of coming close to capping out (newer players will rage quit well before they even come close once they are out of the battle academy. I just see this as becoming another case of "the rich get richer" Fair play but we didn't seem to have a problem with keeping millions of sp from beta now did we?, oh no. What is this almost obsession or utmost important attitude with capping out?, I really don't get it. Why are people behaving like the game is ruined partly because they don't have the time to cap out?. Its really not that important and if you are a vet, then you should care the least about it because you've got sp. You are aware that you yourself will ve able to earn sp at something like x3 the rate now right?, sp costs aren't going up either. Nothing is actually going to change except that newbs can get up to our Kevel or if they put in the time, then they could get ahead. If they want to pay out the arse and support the game in doing so, then good stuff right?. If they get ahead, how does that actually have a detrimental effect on you other than less stomping and more challenge?. I am GJR's Renfield lol 1.9 ftw!.

Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 638	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:54:00 - [61] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: 1.Fair play but we didn't seem to have a problem with keeping millions of sp from beta now did we?, oh no. 2.What is this almost obsession or utmost important attitude with capping out?, I really don't get it. 3.Why are people behaving like the game is ruined partly because they don't have the time to cap out?. Its really not that important and if you are a vet, then you should care the least about it because you've got sp. 4.You are aware that you yourself will ve able to earn sp at something like x3 the rate now right?, sp costs aren't going up either. Nothing is actually going to change except that newbs can get up to our Kevel or if they put in the time, then they could get ahead. If they want to pay out the arse and support the game in doing so, then good stuff right?. 5.If they get ahead, how does that actually have a detrimental effect on you other than less stomping and more challenge?. Numbered for clarity in answering, hope you don't mind First and foremost, that entire comment is a fair opinion and makes a lot of sense. Now to answer the questions... 1. Yes, I was an open player Vet for like the last month or so before it actually "went live". So I think I had like 1.5 million or so SP by that time. I will admit I was O.K. with keeping it, but wouldn't have minded if they had stated a reset of SP. 2. As for capping out, I've never gotten the obsession either. I've done it once the entire time I've played (the last Million Clone Challege. Like I said, I never come even close so it is something I don't worry about. 3. Same as #2. However, like I said, I'm only on about 21 million total, so I'm not as loaded as some people are. 4. Yep, I completely understand that and I'm not going to complain when I start banking 7500-10k SP in a match without a booster. I have a couple things I'm working on right now and that additional SP is going to come in extremely handy. As for paying out the arse, I see what you're saying there as well. It's not my wallet, so why should I care. Something along those lines? 5. You don't know me very well. I'm not a stomper by any means. In fact I'm probably the furthest thing from a stomper their is. I have a sub 1.0 KDR, regularly get my butt handed to me in 1 vs. 1 engagements, and if I wasn't running Logi suits and dropping uplinks/nanohives I would probably never even be in the top 1/2 of WP's in any match I play. LOL All that said, and looking at your comments, I'm starting to agree with you. That is one of the most logical explanations I've seen as to the positives of the cap increase. What the hell is happening here? A forum discussion that is actually changing an opinion? Say it ain't so. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6229	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:10:00 - [62] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: 1.Fair play but we didn't seem to have a problem with keeping millions of sp from beta now did we?, oh no. 2.What is this almost obsession or utmost important attitude with capping out?, I really don't get it. 3.Why are people behaving like the game is ruined partly because they don't have the time to cap out?. Its really not that important and if you are a vet, then you should care the least about it because you've got sp. 4.You are aware that you yourself will ve able to earn sp at something like x3 the rate now right?, sp costs aren't going up either. Nothing is actually going to change except that newbs can get up to our Kevel or if they put in the time, then they could get ahead. If they want to pay out the arse and support the game in doing so, then good stuff right?. 5.If they get ahead, how does that actually have a detrimental effect on you other than less stomping and more challenge?. Numbered for clarity in answering, hope you don't mind First and foremost, that entire comment is a fair opinion and makes a lot of sense. Now to answer the questions... 1. Yes, I was an open player Vet for like the last month or so before it actually "went live". So I think I had like 1.5 million or so SP by that time. I will admit I was O.K. with keeping it, but wouldn't have minded if they had stated a reset of SP. 2. As for capping out, I've never gotten the obsession either. I've done it once the entire time I've played (the last Million Clone Challege. Like I said, I never come even close so it is something I don't worry about. 3. Same as #2. However, like I said, I'm only on about 21 million total, so I'm not as loaded as some people are. 4. Yep, I completely understand that and I'm not going to complain when I start banking 7500-10k SP in a match without a booster. I have a couple things I'm working on right now and that additional SP is going to come in extremely handy. As for paying out the arse, I see what you're saying there as well. It's not my wallet, so why should I care. Something along those lines? 5. You don't know me very well. I'm not a stomper by any means. In fact I'm probably the furthest thing from a stomper their is. I have a sub 1.0 KDR, regularly get my butt handed to me in 1 vs. 1 engagements, and if I wasn't running Logi suits and dropping uplinks/nanohives I would probably never even be in the top 1/2 of WP's in any match I play. LOL All that said, and looking at your comments, I'm starting to agree with you. That is one of the most logical explanations I've seen as to the positives of the cap increase. What the hell is happening here? A forum discussion that is actually changing an opinion? Say it ain't so. Fair play yeah. I usually do nothing but joke about, but I'm seeing so much glass is half empty that I feel I need to actually get serious on this one. You are right with your opinion but I promise you that overall, you'll end up liking its benefits and you won't notice anything different except better quality fights. Even if the newbs get proto in say a month, maybe a bit more, it will simply be double the fun a gunfight. Sure thing we had to grind to fk and even pay for uvts just to chat in channels at one point as well, but this decision will undoubtedly give the game longevity and in that, we get to play it longer. I am GJR's Renfield lol 1.9 ftw!.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 638	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:30:00 - [63] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: 1.Fair play but we didn't seem to have a problem with keeping millions of sp from beta now did we?, oh no. 2.What is this almost obsession or utmost important attitude with capping out?, I really don't get it. 3.Why are people behaving like the game is ruined partly because they don't have the time to cap out?. Its really not that important and if you are a vet, then you should care the least about it because you've got sp. 4.You are aware that you yourself will ve able to earn sp at something like x3 the rate now right?, sp costs aren't going up either. Nothing is actually going to change except that newbs can get up to our Kevel or if they put in the time, then they could get ahead. If they want to pay out the arse and support the game in doing so, then good stuff right?. 5.If they get ahead, how does that actually have a detrimental effect on you other than less stomping and more challenge?. Numbered for clarity in answering, hope you don't mind First and foremost, that entire comment is a fair opinion and makes a lot of sense. Now to answer the questions... 1. Yes, I was an open player Vet for like the last month or so before it actually "went live". So I think I had like 1.5 million or so SP by that time. I will admit I was O.K. with keeping it, but wouldn't have minded if they had stated a reset of SP. 2. As for capping out, I've never gotten the obsession either. I've done it once the entire time I've played (the last Million Clone Challege. Like I said, I never come even close so it is something I don't worry about. 3. Same as #2. However, like I said, I'm only on about 21 million total, so I'm not as loaded as some people are. 4. Yep, I completely understand that and I'm not going to complain when I start banking 7500-10k SP in a match without a booster. I have a couple things I'm working on right now and that additional SP is going to come in extremely handy. As for paying out the arse, I see what you're saying there as well. It's not my wallet, so why should I care. Something along those lines? 5. You don't know me very well. I'm not a stomper by any means. In fact I'm probably the furthest thing from a stomper their is. I have a sub 1.0 KDR, regularly get my butt handed to me in 1 vs. 1 engagements, and if I wasn't running Logi suits and dropping uplinks/nanohives I would probably never even be in the top 1/2 of WP's in any match I play. LOL All that said, and looking at your comments, I'm starting to agree with you. That is one of the most logical explanations I've seen as to the positives of the cap increase. What the hell is happening here? A forum discussion that is actually changing an opinion? Say it ain't so. Fair play yeah. I usually do nothing but joke about, but I'm seeing so much glass is half empty that I feel I need to actually get serious on this one. You are right with your opinion but I promise you that overall, you'll end up liking its benefits and you won't notice anything different except better quality fights. Even if the newbs get proto in say a month, maybe a bit more, it will simply be double the fun a gunfight. Sure thing we had to grind to fk and even pay for uvts just to chat in channels at one point as well, but this decision will undoubtedly give the game longevity and in that, we get to play it longer. One thing that definitely can't hurt is the possible increase to the player base. If more people are playing, that is going to limit the times someone runs into the same proto-stomping squad 5-6-8 matches in a row. I am all for longevity because once this game goes dark or to Legion, I'm done. I don't have the cash to shell out $1500 on a gaming computer. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 145	Posted - 2014.10.31 09:00:00 - [64] - Quote I don't think you got my point TechMed. I don't care that new players can have better gears easily. It's nice for them and will make games more competitive (we'll see^^ Blueberries can be really stupid). The problem with that new SP cap is that it'll be TOO easy. There will no longer be this feeling of "ok I have to make a choice now: this skill or this one? Hmm it'll take some time anyway." This is what make Dust a long lifetime/ durability game. With so much SP every week, what used to make Dust a game based on choices and SP decisions will be gone. And to me it was the best part of it. Dust is one of these games that you can't finish in 1 week, and that even after 1 year you still have skills to earn. Now it'll just go so fast that in 2 months everybody will have everything and it'll be boring as hell.. Sorry for my bad english.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6241	Posted - 2014.10.31 09:36:00 - [65] - Quote [quote=Sequal Rise]I don't think you got my point TechMed. I don't care that new players can have better gears easily. It's nice for them and will make games more competitive (we'll see^^ Blueberries can be really stupid). The problem with that new SP cap is that it'll be TOO easy. There will no longer be this feeling of "ok I have to make a choice now: this skill or this one? Hmm it'll take some time anyway." This is what make Dust a long lifetime/ durability game. None of that mattered after the damage fan fest did so the game must change accordingly. With the way the game is going, it needs to be more easily accessible for newer players on every level. Please define too much in a factual manner, you can't, that's just your opinion. With so much SP every week, what used to make Dust a game based on choices and SP decisions will be gone. And to me it was the best part of it. With more sp every week, they will still matter and you can make more choices that matter, whatever that means to you (grinding sht loads it seems). Dust is one of these games that you can't finish in 1 week, and that even after 1 year you still have skills to earn. Now it'll just go so fast that in 2 months everybody will have everything and it'll be boring as hell.. Congratulations mystic Meg, tell me more hypes about the future. I get you totally, you just can't see how silly you are being, so you get silly answers. I do get you, but you are simply ignore some glaringly obvious factors in favour of how you feel it should be. Big up my friend Charlotte Shields, she won the Brazilian ju jitsu competition!. And she's recovering from cancer!.
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 132	Posted - 2014.10.31 09:41:00 - [66] - Quote I'm not happy at all. This game will become pay-to-win for new players. Differences between a veteran who doesn't pay and an other who pay will be astronomic. The new players who pay will very fast have the same SP as a veteran. We will skill a dropsuit in 1 or 2 weeks, where will be the pleasure of skilling a suit ? And envy it for so long time ? With this cap, the game will lose his soul. Increase de cap, ok, but max. x2, not x4... Nice.... Logibro, you're my boy
VikingKong iBUN Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2014.10.31 10:56:00 - [67] - Quote I disagree, they should implement a sort of system where new players get a very large cap like 750k per week and players with say 20mil+ have a smaller cap like 200k per week
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4177	Posted - 2014.10.31 11:40:00 - [68] - Quote I've got 51M SP. What does it matter how much you've got? I've already got basically everything I want; what's wrong with you getting it too? I vote YES. CCP Rattati ily! AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 GÇó CalLogi 5 now what?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4250	Posted - 2014.10.31 11:43:00 - [69] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: I disagree, they should implement a sort of system where new players get a very large cap like 750k per week and players with say 20mil+ have a smaller cap like 200k per week Nah. I would rather see more crap added. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12883	Posted - 2014.10.31 11:47:00 - [70] - Quote Honestly couldn't care less Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 147	Posted - 2014.10.31 11:58:00 - [71] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: [quote=Sequal Rise]I don't think you got my point TechMed. I don't care that new players can have better gears easily. It's nice for them and will make games more competitive (we'll see^^ Blueberries can be really stupid). The problem with that new SP cap is that it'll be TOO easy. There will no longer be this feeling of "ok I have to make a choice now: this skill or this one? Hmm it'll take some time anyway." This is what make Dust a long lifetime/ durability game. None of that mattered after the damage fan fest did so the game must change accordingly. With the way the game is going, it needs to be more easily accessible for newer players on every level. Please define too much in a factual manner, you can't, that's just your opinion. With so much SP every week, what used to make Dust a game based on choices and SP decisions will be gone. And to me it was the best part of it. With more sp every week, they will still matter and you can make more choices that matter, whatever that means to you (grinding sht loads it seems). Dust is one of these games that you can't finish in 1 week, and that even after 1 year you still have skills to earn. Now it'll just go so fast that in 2 months everybody will have everything and it'll be boring as hell.. Congratulations mystic Meg, tell me more hypes about the future. I get you totally, you just can't see how silly you are being, so you get silly answers. I do get you, but you are simply ignore some glaringly obvious factors in favour of how you feel it should be. Let's try to answer in this order: - If you think this way then why even playing the game?? Why having updates? Why having sp if the game is dead? (According to you) - It's not the grinding that I like, it's the rewards that it gives! Choices will not matter anymore as you'll have so much SP (mostly if you pay) that waiting 1 week more of another proto stuff will not be a hard decision. - Je vais te les faire bouffer tes hypes moi fdp. I think you just can't wait to have these SP to have some skill that you always wanted earlier than planned. My answers may be silly to you, but again, you'll understand them later, when you'll have all the SP you ever wished so fast, and will have nothing else to do. Sorry for my bad english.
Immortal John Ripper 25419	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:06:00 - [72] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: I think you just can't wait to have these SP to have some skill that you always wanted earlier than planned. My answers may be silly to you, but again, you'll understand them later, when you'll have all the SP you ever wished so fast, and will have nothing else to do. facepalm you have lost this one. Just go eat a taco or something. I have to side with that techmeds scrub on this one. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 147	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:12:00 - [73] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: I think you just can't wait to have these SP to have some skill that you always wanted earlier than planned. My answers may be silly to you, but again, you'll understand them later, when you'll have all the SP you ever wished so fast, and will have nothing else to do. facepalm you have lost this one. Just go eat a taco or something. I have to side with that techmeds scrub on this one. It's already hard to find skills to put SP in, so much more SP will just accelerate the boredom. Side with whoever you want john, I respect and understand your point, you just dont really see mine. Sorry for my bad english.
Michael Arck 5955	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:26:00 - [74] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yes, I'm very happy. The amount if time it took to obtain all the Skills needed to be even a remote challenge to veterans was far too much, which made even Public Contracts unplayable for most new players. Now that it won't take half a year to be competitive, we should see an increase in player retention and perhaps even more balanced matches, as more and more players will be able to put up a fight. Sure, you can earn a lot of SP via SP Boosters, but after you get your cores maxed it doesn't help you win at all. The only thing you'd be accomplishing is increased versatility, something that can be done for free anyways. This...so yes Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1489	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:36:00 - [75] - Quote as a 15m sp character with 3m to 7m alts. im very happy with the change [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Immortal John Ripper 25420	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:52:00 - [76] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: I think you just can't wait to have these SP to have some skill that you always wanted earlier than planned. My answers may be silly to you, but again, you'll understand them later, when you'll have all the SP you ever wished so fast, and will have nothing else to do. facepalm you have lost this one. Just go eat a taco or something. I have to side with that techmeds scrub on this one. It's already hard to find skills to put SP in, so much more SP will just accelerate the boredom. Side with whoever you want john, I respect and understand your point, you just dont really see mine. I see yours but this whole "choices must matter" ect... It was a good argument 1 year ago but not anymore. Besides you can only use one suit, one gun. Your choice in what you skilled into only counts for a few minutes or however long you are alive in a match. Then when you die at 20m-30m sp you can pick from a countless number of other variations in dropsuit load outs. And that choice will last another few minutes... Forcing noobs to be locked into noob status for so long makes no sense. I won't suddenly become over powered because I can unlock one more gun next week. I already am overpowered in skill. And I already have several guns and dropsuits. If I get a new proto gun and use them all evenly then I only have a 1 out of 6th chance of using that particular weapon, compared to a noob who gets his second gun doubling his choices. being locked into these choices and waiting for over a year to actually get anywhere in this game has done nothing but hold this game back by preventing new players from integrating into the game easily. Choices and being forced to be locked into skills matter even less since the legion announcement. Alot of people left, and the over all feelings of the playerbase was negative... Drastic changes needed to be made. Ratatti is doing an amazing job at turning things around but this game still has it's flaws. 1. New player experience has always been bad. The new player academy was a fail, and the massive sp gap kept making new players rage and want to quit.... Sure there are other things CCP can do but the dev team for dust got alot smaller as many were transferred to legion. Them increasing the cap is just an easy quick fix because they do not have the manpower to do much else. 2. After 30m+ sp things balance out alot more as a player will have a proto suit and many of their passives. I am forgetting how much passive sp we get but combined with the active sp I am guessing around 1mill a week? A completely free player still has to wait half a year.... Xp events can help but it won't be as difficult for them as in the past. 3. Those who pay, are paying for the server to be kept alive. Stacking sp is just another money making ploy by CCP but again after a certain point... sp starts to be worth less and less. I will be glad more and more people are reaching my level of sp. It would mean for more diverse and competitive matches. Which is fun by my definition. 4. So what if I become a vet with everything unlocked and no more goals? Do I really have to be that obsessed with unlocking new things? I came here to play a game, not grind. One could argue that those are the same thing... but to me the difference is.. Playing is fun, grinding is not. With that said.. If ccp is increasing the gap, I hope they are also increasing ways to earn sp to fill that gap or else the game will be even more of a boring grind. Some people force themselves to cap because they feel like they need to if they want to stay competitive or ever catch up.. Increasing the grind will only burn them out faster so I really do hope they increase the ways of earning sp and not just the cap. 5. I would play this game more if the player base did not completely suck so much. Sp does not equal skill but it does act as a crutch. A bad player in proto is still a bad player, they are just bad with a crutch. Honestly I don't mind. If this ends up giving me more competitive games then I am all for it. Competition makes this game fun for me. If you are not doing serious damage to me, I am not having fun. If I am drinking a beer, not paying attention to a game, and still coming in 1st for wp and kdr... I am not having fun. If you are bored by not having anything to skill into, then maybe what you need is a challenge? Maybe this will provide you with just that opportunity. I know that is what I am hoping for. 6. I am trying to look at the bigger picture. I am trying to look at what is best for the game overall. How can this game have hundreds of people signing up a day with almost a 0 retention rate? All my friends I have introduced this game too refuse to play after trying it for just a short time. NPE is bad and it is destroying this game. Fix NPE and numbers may increase, meaning profits increase, meaning servers stay on longer, meaning more funds to be put forth into more maps, more bpo's and dropsuit designs, more bug fixes and content. 7. We need to let go of this whole 10 year plan and choices must matter stuff. Holding on to these old archaic ideals and beliefs will only force us to continue on this downhill slope the game has been on. A change had to have been made and it should have been made a long time ago. But better late than never right? I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 179	Posted - 2014.10.31 13:31:00 - [77] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: So I rarely buy boosters, so my answer to this thread is based on 1 question. To those people who are triple stacking boosters, does that mean they will simply reach the 750k cap 3 times faster, or does it mean they will get 3x the total SP for the week? If it is simply reaching the cap quicker, I can handle 750k. I won't ever reach it but it isn't totally extreme. However, if someone can triple stack and pull in 2.25 MILLION SP a week? Nope, too much. WAY too much. Why is that way too much though?. By what standards is that actually too much?. Seriously? 2.2 Million a week? People are going to going from 0-proto every other week in a new suit. I don't ever come close to capping out now. With this formula, a brand new, fresh merc out of the academy, if s/he is willing to pay some money, will catch and surpass me in total SP in under 3 months (I'm at about 21 million SP right now). This is the definition of pay to win. I've had to grind for a year and a 1/2 (I did take a hiatus in the middle and I have other obligations outside this game) to get to that point. Someone can walk in, throw some cash around, and surpass me in total SP in 1/6th the time simply because they are willing to pay? If this is the case, why have a cap at all? Let people stack 5 Omega Boosters with no cap and let people hit 10 million a week. Or 20 Million a week. At what point WILL it be too much for you? been playing about 7 monnths and i have almost 30 nil sp so why does it matter to you if they pass you up because i got all my sp in about 1/3 of the time that youve played.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 459	Posted - 2014.10.31 17:45:00 - [78] - Quote CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: been playing about 7 monnths and i have almost 30 nil sp so why does it matter to you if they pass you up because i got all my sp in about 1/3 of the time that youve played. And I've been here for years and w passives I think I just cleared 31M SP in the last few days haha Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2196	Posted - 2014.10.31 17:48:00 - [79] - Quote Indifferent, I am more put off by the Loyalty Ranks.... Gò¡Gê¬Gò«(Gùú_Gùó)Gò¡Gê¬Gò«
Makuta Miserix DOD - Fringe Division 268	Posted - 2014.10.31 18:38:00 - [80] - Quote I don't really care, there's no way I'd hit it. But I suppose it will do some good for the NPE. So yeah, I'm fine with it. CEO of DOD - Fringe Division. Please don't break the universe. Thank you for your cooperation. Private Beta Veteran.



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