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Jack McReady
Dust University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:32:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Jack McReady wrote:if I am not mistaken laser adds 0.8 damage per continous shot fired. on amarr assault you can fire for ~6.3 seconds with it, couple it with 3 damage mods and melt the universe.
after 2 seconds, the dps is already very powerful and you will be able to kill very fast. after 3-4 seconds a short stream into the head and target usually instantly drops.
the weapon does not really need a buff, it is very powerful at long range. It's not a flat 0.8 anymore, it changes with the tier. It's now 0.91 at STD, 1.04 at PRO. I'm not sure what it is at ADV, somewhere in the middle, obviously. You can do just fine with the lower tiers if you do it right. The Amarr assault bonus makes a bigger difference than going up a level, afaik, though admittedly I've never done the full calculations. (Morte, you need to get yourself a Templar LR and stop slumming it with that MLT nonsense, btw!) mhm 1.04 at proto? holy crap, thats 13 dmg per shot added after 1 second of pew pew. btw is this added before or after dmg mods? |
Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
314
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:01:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Jack McReady wrote:if I am not mistaken laser adds 0.8 damage per continous shot fired. on amarr assault you can fire for ~6.3 seconds with it, couple it with 3 damage mods and melt the universe.
after 2 seconds, the dps is already very powerful and you will be able to kill very fast. after 3-4 seconds a short stream into the head and target usually instantly drops.
the weapon does not really need a buff, it is very powerful at long range. It's not a flat 0.8 anymore, it changes with the tier. It's now 0.91 at STD, 1.04 at PRO. I'm not sure what it is at ADV, somewhere in the middle, obviously. You can do just fine with the lower tiers if you do it right. The Amarr assault bonus makes a bigger difference than going up a level, afaik, though admittedly I've never done the full calculations. (Morte, you need to get yourself a Templar LR and stop slumming it with that MLT nonsense, btw!) mhm 1.04 at proto? holy crap, thats 13 dmg per shot added after 1 second of pew pew. btw is this added before or after dmg mods?
Musta Tornius has a breakdown somewhere on dmg mods and lr
As for templar lr I'm not ******* giving ccp any money without a Gaurentee that the game will last a set amount of time for all we know dust could be shut off at any minute.
If they tell me I'll have templar lr fir a year or two I'll buy one till then I have spent money on dust since closed beta
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4317
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:06:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Jack McReady wrote:if I am not mistaken laser adds 0.8 damage per continous shot fired. on amarr assault you can fire for ~6.3 seconds with it, couple it with 3 damage mods and melt the universe.
after 2 seconds, the dps is already very powerful and you will be able to kill very fast. after 3-4 seconds a short stream into the head and target usually instantly drops.
the weapon does not really need a buff, it is very powerful at long range. It's not a flat 0.8 anymore, it changes with the tier. It's now 0.91 at STD, 1.04 at PRO. I'm not sure what it is at ADV, somewhere in the middle, obviously. You can do just fine with the lower tiers if you do it right. The Amarr assault bonus makes a bigger difference than going up a level, afaik, though admittedly I've never done the full calculations. (Morte, you need to get yourself a Templar LR and stop slumming it with that MLT nonsense, btw!) mhm 1.04 at proto? holy crap, thats 13 dmg per shot added after 1 second of pew pew. btw is this added before or after dmg mods?
Before. That's the default damage of the weapon.
Musta Tornius' very detailed thread about LR performance.
The TL;DR from my LR guide, with a breakdown of the Amarr suit bonuses.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
314
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:43:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Jack McReady wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Jack McReady wrote:if I am not mistaken laser adds 0.8 damage per continous shot fired. on amarr assault you can fire for ~6.3 seconds with it, couple it with 3 damage mods and melt the universe.
after 2 seconds, the dps is already very powerful and you will be able to kill very fast. after 3-4 seconds a short stream into the head and target usually instantly drops.
the weapon does not really need a buff, it is very powerful at long range. It's not a flat 0.8 anymore, it changes with the tier. It's now 0.91 at STD, 1.04 at PRO. I'm not sure what it is at ADV, somewhere in the middle, obviously. You can do just fine with the lower tiers if you do it right. The Amarr assault bonus makes a bigger difference than going up a level, afaik, though admittedly I've never done the full calculations. (Morte, you need to get yourself a Templar LR and stop slumming it with that MLT nonsense, btw!) mhm 1.04 at proto? holy crap, thats 13 dmg per shot added after 1 second of pew pew. btw is this added before or after dmg mods? Before. That's the default damage of the weapon. It translates into about 400hp extra damage (potential) before overheat going from STD -> PRO Musta Tornius' very detailed thread about LR performance.The TL;DR from my LR guide, with a breakdown of the Amarr suit bonuses. Laser rifle overheats at 80 John fix ur post lvl amar bonus gives you 20 extra rounds possible not 15
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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matsumoto yuichi san
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
74
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:08:00 -
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eh i just think it's quite hard to aim, but i think that is more related to the no acceleration on infantry motion so if they reverse directions you can easily have lots of trouble keeping up. :P
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
243
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:33:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:drop three damage mods on a viziam.
Watch people shriek like little girls who just went into their first haunted house.
It's that simple. The STD/ADV are kinda meh. the proto lasers are death incarnate. I do.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4334
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Posted - 2014.10.30 01:44:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Laser rifle overheats at 80 John fix ur post lvl amar bonus gives you 20 extra rounds possible not 15
Honestly, I never got a straight answer from Musta, so I just left the original numbers that GTorq gave me and never bothered to change it because then I would have to go through the spreadsheets and do the math myself.
Which was not going to happen.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4334
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Posted - 2014.10.30 01:54:00 -
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However, I have made some minor edits and once (if) Viktor gets around to posting his thoughts, I'll rewrite some other sections to reflect your input about preheating less.
Btw, I'm thinking about doing the opposite with multiple targets now, hitting the sentinel first since they can't run so well, then swing over mid-beam to quickly kill the scout, then back to finish off the sentinel as he makes a futile attempt to waddle away!
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
290
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Posted - 2014.10.30 04:31:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:You can do about 2500 HP damage before overheating on a non-Amarr suit without proficiency or damage mods. Sure, you can do over 1000 more with the assault, but 2500 is nothing to scoff at. Source: Me (after stealing it from Musta Tornius)Also: if you made this a skill and added it to the Amarr assault bonus...... You nonbelievers will all burn.
I gotta agree with this. I've got the laser on commando suit and it does just fine. I also have laser maxed out in all its sub-skills (thank you proficiency!!!!) If I had a skill to lower heat cost on my proto amarr assault -- do you have ANY IDEA HOW MANY HEATHENS WOULD BE REBORN IN THE FIRES OF DIVINE PURIFICATION?!!!??!!?!?!??!?!11!!!
So yeah -- don't make my laser OP. Or do. See where that gets ya. |
manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game RUST415
182
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Posted - 2014.10.30 10:49:00 -
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Mortedeamor honestly do you ever shut up or do you constantly remind the universe how good you are at LR? You're nothing special compared to every other decent laser rifle user... It's not hard at all... There's no secret OP button to it that half of dust hasn't discovered.... It's a good gun in its own right but it suffers the most range drawbacks out of any gun... The rr has similar range but performs just as well close up... If you are as much of an expert as you claim to be say something useful and provide some evidence as well as numbers to back up your possible changes.
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nerf life
Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.30 12:31:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Mortedeamor honestly do you ever shut up or do you constantly remind the universe how good you are at LR? You're nothing special compared to every other decent laser rifle user... It's not hard at all... There's no secret OP button to it that half of dust hasn't discovered.... It's a good gun in its own right but it suffers the most range drawbacks out of any gun... The rr has similar range but performs just as well close up... If you are as much of an expert as you claim to be say something useful and provide some evidence as well as numbers to back up your possible changes. Oh sounds like I got under your skin .and I dONT WANT ANY changes to it so shows how well you pay attention ..and there may be 4 people as good with lr as I am..don't get pissy..
And rr does not perform just as well close up anymore ...This thread is not mine. I tend to comment in threads about lr cause it's my favorite gun ..it's my fave gun cause it takes allot of skill ..you gotta problem with it do something
I can walk over you in my sleep with any role In dust stfu scrub
I will continue to post whatever the hell I want about lr ..This guy wants to buff my gun ..I'M NOT GUNNA let that happen go cry somewhere else |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4174
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Posted - 2014.10.30 12:43:00 -
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^ that's some impressive sperging right there.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.30 12:45:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:Mortedeamor honestly do you ever shut up or do you constantly remind the universe how good you are at LR? You're nothing special compared to every other decent laser rifle user... It's not hard at all... There's no secret OP button to it that half of dust hasn't discovered.... It's a good gun in its own right but it suffers the most range drawbacks out of any gun... The rr has similar range but performs just as well close up... If you are as much of an expert as you claim to be say something useful and provide some evidence as well as numbers to back up your possible changes. Oh sounds like I got under your skin .and I dONT WANT ANY changes to it so shows how well you pay attention ..and there may be 4 people as good with lr as I am..don't get pissy.. And rr does not perform just as well close up anymore ...This thread is not mine. I tend to comment in threads about lr cause it's my favorite gun ..it's my fave gun cause it takes allot of skill ..you gotta problem with it do something I can walk over you in my sleep with any role In dust stfu scrub I will continue to post whatever the hell I want about lr ..This guy wants to buff my gun ..I'M NOT GUNNA let that happen go cry somewhere else For 2 and a half years I've played dust ..I've run lr through dawn of scr and rr ..i dueled old friends and allies..imps and nyain San team players and bunnies lr does not need a buff it did once it got buffed now it'd perfect . until you get on my lvl I'll take nothing u say seriously The only people I see on my lvl atm with lr are green living LT tiberious and Victor of artifice ghost is getting good with it hope to duel you soon buddy I'm allowed to be proud that I'm good with a lr u don't know me or my life ..I have not been able to enjoy competitive play in a fps in a long time being visually disabled ...I'm almost as good with lr as I was before I lost my sight so u can suffer some bragging
The lr alone keeps me in new eden so I guess u. Can pray to the Devine empress that they don't put it in legion or I'll be stomping you there as well |
manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game RUST415
187
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Posted - 2014.10.30 18:32:00 -
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Your disabilities are regretful I digress, but that's not affecting your arguments on the forum so my point still stands...
All your posts are: I am good with LR
Well great, but this thread isn't about being good with a LR. I go 50-0+ with my Amarrmando, you don't see me mentioning that in every post. And all these silly little names you mention as equals are just human. They die just as easily as any other scrub out there, they aren't gods as you make them out to be. Please focus on the topic and stop ranting.
On the topic, personally I find that the LR perhaps needs a variant that performs better at closer ranges in rapid engagements, an assault variant with a smaller clip, lower efficiency at long range but higher efficiency at short range perhaps.
NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES
nerf life
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Ekrano Fergus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
60
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Posted - 2014.10.30 19:00:00 -
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One of these days we should get everyone that is decent with the LR into a single channel(that isn't related to RP).
/)_/)
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13987
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Posted - 2014.10.30 19:37:00 -
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Ekrano Fergus wrote:One of these days we should get everyone that is decent with the LR into a single channel(that isn't related to RP).
We did once.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
- Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.10.30 20:11:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Your disabilities are regretful I digress, but that's not affecting your arguments on the forum so my point still stands...
All your posts are: I am good with LR
Well great, but this thread isn't about being good with a LR. I go 50-0+ with my Amarrmando, you don't see me mentioning that in every post. And all these silly little names you mention as equals are just human. They die just as easily as any other scrub out there, they aren't gods as you make them out to be. Please focus on the topic and stop ranting.
On the topic, personally I find that the LR perhaps needs a variant that performs better at closer ranges in rapid engagements, an assault variant with a smaller clip, lower efficiency at long range but higher efficiency at short range perhaps.
mhm argument us it's fine because I do great with it what don't you get about that as far as vets go I'm average at best yet I stomp with lr why because it's FINE i wouldn't be against a cqc variant but buffing what's here is not needed..I'm not a math person I don't argue with math ...
on short lr feels amazing it runs amazing and is not hard to use as it used to be and doesn't need to get easier more and more I see lr in play
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.10.30 20:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ekrano Fergus wrote:One of these days we should get everyone that is decent with the LR into a single channel(that isn't related to RP). We did once. We should remake it I'm game
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1319
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Posted - 2014.10.30 20:43:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:
I'm a blind pothead yet I have over 70 lifetime and at least a quarter of that is lr.
This just sealed the deal for me , after 1.9 I'm going full Amarr , like I said before .. I had a alt that was just Amarr assault and I had so much fun I stopped playing with my main , so I had to kill it but 1.9 will give me new life and I will speck into what makes me comfortable and the style that I like to play .. plus Caldari sucks IMO .
Being a pothead I know you've got character and I trust your judgment .
1.9 I'm gonna play my first game with some Purple Kush In honor of you , in a BIG FAT BLUNT !!!!!
Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
247
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:23:00 -
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Slave you can stop raging now. I posted this after using mot laser BPO on a quafe suit. afterwards i tried the Viziam and all my doubts left, but you have to agree the sensitivity is a bit off.
44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7)
- Open Beta Vet - 30.5mil sp -
R.I.P. Dust 514
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13989
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:14:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Mortedeamor honestly do you ever shut up or do you constantly remind the universe how good you are at LR? You're nothing special compared to every other decent laser rifle user... It's not hard at all... There's no secret OP button to it that half of dust hasn't discovered.... It's a good gun in its own right but it suffers the most range drawbacks out of any gun... The rr has similar range but performs just as well close up... If you are as much of an expert as you claim to be say something useful and provide some evidence as well as numbers to back up your possible changes.
If they had why aren't they doing it?
Primarily and I say this with the suggestion a grain of salt be found and ingested..... they simply are..... not interested in complex mechanics or applying them.
That's just it...... who wants to deal with heat build up and weapon A with X optimal when I can pray n spray (the inferior cousin of spray n pray) with a weapon that requires no more maintenance than "press Square".
No saying this as though I'm some godly LR user. I used to be reasonably good at it being all Amarr an all that jazz.... but I will be honest when I say that..... there aren't many decent users that I've come across in game, especially not ones that stuck out the early days when firing the LR blinded you and rendered you ironsights completely uselss, had worse ADS tracking, and worse damage, and still did good with the gun.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:17:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Slave you can stop raging now. I posted this after using mot laser BPO on a quafe suit. afterwards i tried the Viziam and all my doubts left, but you have to agree the sensitivity is a bit off. The sensitivity is very high yes
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:22:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:
I'm a blind pothead yet I have over 70 lifetime and at least a quarter of that is lr.
This just sealed the deal for me , after 1.9 I'm going full Amarr , like I said before .. I had a alt that was just Amarr assault and I had so much fun I stopped playing with my main , so I had to kill it but 1.9 will give me new life and I will speck into what makes me comfortable and the style that I like to play .. plus Caldari sucks IMO . Being a pothead I know you've got character and I trust your judgment . 1.9 I'm gonna play my first game with some Purple Kush In honor of you , in a BIG FAT BLUNT !!!!! Gotta say lr is just brilliant fun and flashy definitely a potheads toy ..it's a ranged gun so u don't have to super hyper positioning and approach pay off with lr as well as patience all traits potheads excel at
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:Mortedeamor honestly do you ever shut up or do you constantly remind the universe how good you are at LR? You're nothing special compared to every other decent laser rifle user... It's not hard at all... There's no secret OP button to it that half of dust hasn't discovered.... It's a good gun in its own right but it suffers the most range drawbacks out of any gun... The rr has similar range but performs just as well close up... If you are as much of an expert as you claim to be say something useful and provide some evidence as well as numbers to back up your possible changes. If they had why aren't they doing it? Primarily and I say this with the suggestion a grain of salt be found and ingested..... they simply are..... not interested in complex mechanics or applying them. That's just it...... who wants to deal with heat build up and weapon A with X optimal when I can pray n spray (the inferior cousin of spray n pray) with a weapon that requires no more maintenance than "press Square". No saying this as though I'm some godly LR user. I used to be reasonably good at it being all Amarr an all that jazz.... but I will be honest when I say that..... there aren't many decent users that I've come across in game, especially not ones that stuck out the early days when firing the LR blinded you and rendered you ironsights completely uselss, had worse ADS tracking, and worse damage, and still did good with the gun. Don't mention iron sights I'm having ptsd flashbacks I ran logi all through that my slayer suit was ruined ..it's wasn't useless but damn was it close
If they took the old iron sight model minus the flashy beam made it short range with a fast ramp up but less dmg per clip there is ur assault LR
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4350
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:13:00 -
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Bleh. Hated the iron sight. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me, stopped using it for months.
Made absolutely no sense at all. Literally the worst thing you could ever put on a frickin' beam weapon!
As for the ADS, yeah, I'd have to agree the sensitivity is too high. I have my turned down low in general because I'm a total spaz sometimes, even still it's just not calibrated correctly for the zoom.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Ekrano Fergus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
60
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:32:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Bleh. Hated the iron sight. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me, stopped using it for months.
Made absolutely no sense at all. Literally the worst thing you could ever put on a frickin' beam weapon!
As for the ADS, yeah, I'd have to agree the sensitivity is too high. I have my turned down low in general because I'm a total spaz sometimes, even still it's just not calibrated correctly for the zoom. It was really interesting doing PC back then when the laser was the only light weapon I had at Proto.
It would be nice to get Rattati's input on the ADS sensitivity.
/)_/)
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
294
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Posted - 2014.10.31 01:08:00 -
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All this LR talk makes me hope to get into a Pub game with nothing but LRs everywhere. Dueling all day! It would look like a club at 3 am -- but with more melty faces! |
PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
248
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Posted - 2014.10.31 01:34:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:
I'm a blind pothead yet I have over 70 lifetime and at least a quarter of that is lr.
This just sealed the deal for me , after 1.9 I'm going full Amarr , like I said before .. I had a alt that was just Amarr assault and I had so much fun I stopped playing with my main , so I had to kill it but 1.9 will give me new life and I will speck into what makes me comfortable and the style that I like to play .. plus Caldari sucks IMO . Being a pothead I know you've got character and I trust your judgment . 1.9 I'm gonna play my first game with some Purple Kush In honor of you , in a BIG FAT BLUNT !!!!! Gotta say lr is just brilliant fun and flashy definitely a potheads toy ..it's a ranged gun so u don't have to super hyper positioning and approach pay off with lr as well as patience all traits potheads excel at There we go a positive post! Constructive criticism brothers!
44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4353
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Posted - 2014.10.31 02:35:00 -
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ADS sensitivity? Done and done.
CCP Rattati wrote:sounds good, I think it is easy to change
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game RUST415
187
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Posted - 2014.10.31 11:56:00 -
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morte i hope you don't think i meant any offence, i just get frustrated by the lack of efficient progress on these forums and i'm sick of the trollfest as alot probably are who want reasonable and balanced change. I personally think the LR is not lacking in it's role, it's definitely a beast of a gun, but variants would be nice, all the other rifles have variants now and even some sidearms yet the LR remains a lone wolf that does not follow the same patterns as other guns in the game. That said, more lasers in a match would be terrifying.
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