Plasma Cannon or Mass Driver. Area denial should be your friend. Make the Mass driver viable and you have your fix.

Inb4 ur dum for suggestion plasma cannon and mass driver

Plasma Cannon or Mass Driver. Area denial should be your friend. Make the Mass driver viable and you have your fix.

Inb4 ur dum for suggestion plasma cannon and mass driver

winmatar commando with dual massdrivers +++++++++++++kills in comfined areas

Do that in a PC against an organized team of 16. Tell me how it goes.

winmatar commando with dual massdrivers +++++++++++++kills in comfined areas.

ps. i find it ironic that a person from FA is whining about heavies when they (FA) use scouts to the extreme FOTMness

I have been playing a few PC's recently, and Ive made a discovery--there are really two main "Slayer" strategies for holding interior points-- superior HP or superior firepower.

Right now, the overwhelming tactic in PC is to "SPAM ALL DE HEAVIES YAA", which provides a dilemma to the opposing team. How do you counter 15000 HP and 8000 DPS? When you each have high clone supplies, taking points simply becomes a matter of who can get the most heavies on the field in a 50 square meter area at one time. The superior numbers will win. There is no room for finesse, no room for speed hacks, no room for anything other than raw HP and firepower.

There is no problem with a single heavy. There is no problem with 3 heavies.

There is, however, a problem where it is quite simply not possible for a team to output enough DPS to kill 6 heavies before they begin going through spawns again. Its quite simply impossible to do.

This leads to an FoTM of throwing down the fastest possible links and, for lack of a better term, spamming HMG heavies in a confined area until the attackers can rally enough heavies of their own to spawn quickly and zerg rush the point.

It turns the game into a mindless meat grinder.

However, there is a solution.

Uplinks need a serious change so that they can't allow 1500 HP killing machines with 800 DPS weapons to be in, quite literally, unlimited flow.

I have no proposition to make, Im tired and can't think at the moment. Ill leave that up to the community to ponder.

However, I just want to address this current issue in PC of using a cheap, non tactical ploy of filling up a space with more HP than can be over come by any firepower available. There currently is no real counter, other than to zerg rush your own heavies, which is basically the same exact tactic of trying to stack as much possible HP and firepower cycling endlessly in one area.

To counter the heavy spam, one must heavy spam harder. That is the problem with this tactic. It forces non-tactical game play.

Just my thoughts. There is only very, very slight need for a heavy nerf (perhaps taking 1.1x more damage when attacked from behind?), but the main problem here is drop uplinks allowing such powerful suits to be deployed in a nearly unlimited flow.

ty, some 1 else that gets it. thats all pc is.
A:"we gotta get A guys"
B:"is it outside?"
A:"Yea"
B:"Send all the tanks u can get"
A:"we're losing B, in the compex"
B: "**** this strategy send all proto heavies u find"

unless you mean camping a terminal with an AFG.

I have been playing a few PC's recently, and Ive made a discovery--there are really two main "Slayer" strategies for holding interior points-- superior HP or superior firepower.

Right now, the overwhelming tactic in PC is to "SPAM ALL DE HEAVIES YAA", which provides a dilemma to the opposing team. How do you counter 15000 HP and 8000 DPS? When you each have high clone supplies, taking points simply becomes a matter of who can get the most heavies on the field in a 50 square meter area at one time. The superior numbers will win. There is no room for finesse, no room for speed hacks, no room for anything other than raw HP and firepower.

There is no problem with a single heavy. There is no problem with 3 heavies.

There is, however, a problem where it is quite simply not possible for a team to output enough DPS to kill 6 heavies before they begin going through spawns again. Its quite simply impossible to do.

This leads to an FoTM of throwing down the fastest possible links and, for lack of a better term, spamming HMG heavies in a confined area until the attackers can rally enough heavies of their own to spawn quickly and zerg rush the point.

It turns the game into a mindless meat grinder.

However, there is a solution.

Uplinks need a serious change so that they can't allow 1500 HP killing machines with 800 DPS weapons to be in, quite literally, unlimited flow.

I have no proposition to make, Im tired and can't think at the moment. Ill leave that up to the community to ponder.

However, I just want to address this current issue in PC of using a cheap, non tactical ploy of filling up a space with more HP than can be over come by any firepower available. There currently is no real counter, other than to zerg rush your own heavies, which is basically the same exact tactic of trying to stack as much possible HP and firepower cycling endlessly in one area.

To counter the heavy spam, one must heavy spam harder. That is the problem with this tactic. It forces non-tactical game play.

Just my thoughts. There is only very, very slight need for a heavy nerf (perhaps taking 1.1x more damage when attacked from behind?), but the main problem here is drop uplinks allowing such powerful suits to be deployed in a nearly unlimited flow.

Need Boundless RE's. And even they're not enough for 2000 hP Sentinels + reps by Minlogi to bring up to full hP in seconds.

Smart teams keep Sentinel + logi groups considerably apart (but close enough to track on tacnet to ward off assassination streaks)

What I see is the Sentinel costing many non-Sentinel suits their lives before going down. Then its logi revives it with a 100% Needle and Proto nanohives.

now now it's a well known fact that Gav extremely biased against Heavies while defending his OP FOTM scout suit to the death as such take anything he says about balance with a chunk of salt

A full squad of Sentinels in PC is just 6 people asking for Remotes to get shoved up their [expletive].

I have been playing a few PC's recently, and Ive made a discovery--there are really two main "Slayer" strategies for holding interior points-- superior HP or superior firepower.

Right now, the overwhelming tactic in PC is to "SPAM ALL DE HEAVIES YAA", which provides a dilemma to the opposing team. How do you counter 15000 HP and 8000 DPS? When you each have high clone supplies, taking points simply becomes a matter of who can get the most heavies on the field in a 50 square meter area at one time. The superior numbers will win. There is no room for finesse, no room for speed hacks, no room for anything other than raw HP and firepower.

There is no problem with a single heavy. There is no problem with 3 heavies.

There is, however, a problem where it is quite simply not possible for a team to output enough DPS to kill 6 heavies before they begin going through spawns again. Its quite simply impossible to do.

This leads to an FoTM of throwing down the fastest possible links and, for lack of a better term, spamming HMG heavies in a confined area until the attackers can rally enough heavies of their own to spawn quickly and zerg rush the point.

It turns the game into a mindless meat grinder.

However, there is a solution.

Uplinks need a serious change so that they can't allow 1500 HP killing machines with 800 DPS weapons to be in, quite literally, unlimited flow.

I have no proposition to make, Im tired and can't think at the moment. Ill leave that up to the community to ponder.

However, I just want to address this current issue in PC of using a cheap, non tactical ploy of filling up a space with more HP than can be over come by any firepower available. There currently is no real counter, other than to zerg rush your own heavies, which is basically the same exact tactic of trying to stack as much possible HP and firepower cycling endlessly in one area.

To counter the heavy spam, one must heavy spam harder. That is the problem with this tactic. It forces non-tactical game play.

Just my thoughts. There is only very, very slight need for a heavy nerf (perhaps taking 1.1x more damage when attacked from behind?), but the main problem here is drop uplinks allowing such powerful suits to be deployed in a nearly unlimited flow.

Heavies in PC are spammed like scouts in Pubs...in PC you stay near objectives and they are constantly being pushed so heavies are going to get action...in Pubs if you use a heavy unless you manage to get a good game you are likely to have less kills than a scout because the scout is much more mobile and can travel (vehicles aside) to engage the action.

Heavies in PC also have constant scans from their teammates.

In Pubs scouts can be much more independent than heavies with their scans and cloaks.

Understanding the differing contexts is essential to understanding the wisdom of OP's intent.

I have proto heavy and pro scouts. They are both very good and spammed often in PC just for different reasons. Medium frames are just not really useful except to logi.

It would be nice if assaults had a better role but they will either stay crappy or become the new fotm and soon people would be bitching about how OP assault suits are.

What your not haveing fun in that meatgrinder cause i know i am. you can blame CCP for my assault being useless and makeing me go heavy Hulkmode in that undercover letter. i just tryed out my shotgun scout for the first time tonight in PC and that was even more OP. all i can say is you tards in PC made me do this i was a life long assault but if the meatgrinder is how its going down then so be it. im a get all this crap nerfed.

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