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Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:01:00 - [61] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: PC has never been so much fun. Sure the level of competition isn't what it once was, but that's made the battles closer, in general, and far more exciting....and the financial benefits to the players has never been better. It certainly helps if you're in an active corp in an active alliance, or have a reputation as a solid team/PC player, and perhaps that's where our favorite little Goon falls short. All of the above said, it would be that much funner if we could find a role for Assault suits. Yes, because currently their role is not assaulting.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 892	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:06:00 - [62] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Not all of us have your wisdom or intelligence. Please excuse us. Oh ok, I'm sure I have a few coppers for you. Go... buy whatever it is people like you buy... tattered hats... Beard dirt? Keep your coppers and go buy a spot in a PC so you actually have a clue what you're talking about. I know it must be hard, being a Pubstar AVer and all, but a dose of humility would go a long way. I'm not holding my breath for either one. I will do PC again when it is fun, and not another chore to be done. how is it a chore? imo its the most fun thing in this game It's a chore if you're having to run things. If I could just sit back and play I might not hate this game so much.
poison Diego Vengeance Unbound 472	Posted - 2014.10.25 16:00:00 - [63] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: poison Diego wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: There is no problem with a single heavy. There is no problem with 3 heavies. There is, however, a problem where it is quite simply not possible for a team to output enough DPS to kill 6 heavies before they begin going through spawns again. Its quite simply impossible to do. 6 heavies? is that a joke? It is more common to run into 8 or 9 heavies 2 logis, an ads and rest scouts thats hilarious coming from vengeance unbound. I know right?! we learned it from murphys is there a contradiction to jealousy? . if so, KingThunderBolt would know....
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2679	Posted - 2014.10.25 18:19:00 - [64] - Quote poison Diego wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: poison Diego wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: There is no problem with a single heavy. There is no problem with 3 heavies. There is, however, a problem where it is quite simply not possible for a team to output enough DPS to kill 6 heavies before they begin going through spawns again. Its quite simply impossible to do. 6 heavies? is that a joke? It is more common to run into 8 or 9 heavies 2 logis, an ads and rest scouts thats hilarious coming from vengeance unbound. I know right?! we learned it from murphys Lets try to keep the flaming to a minimum in this thread. I designed it to be as constructive as possible, and we already have people who have no idea what they're talking about doing enough flaming to make up for the people that do. So please, try to remain constructive "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
poison Diego Vengeance Unbound 472	Posted - 2014.10.25 19:00:00 - [65] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: poison Diego wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: poison Diego wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: There is no problem with a single heavy. There is no problem with 3 heavies. There is, however, a problem where it is quite simply not possible for a team to output enough DPS to kill 6 heavies before they begin going through spawns again. Its quite simply impossible to do. 6 heavies? is that a joke? It is more common to run into 8 or 9 heavies 2 logis, an ads and rest scouts thats hilarious coming from vengeance unbound. I know right?! we learned it from murphys Lets try to keep the flaming to a minimum in this thread. I designed it to be as constructive as possible, and we already have people who have no idea what they're talking about doing enough flaming to make up for the people that do. So please, try to remain constructive Im not trying to be rude, just a little tease. I agree completely with you about heavies. And now when they will nerf scouts, if they do it to harshly, PC will turn into HMGs514 is there a contradiction to jealousy? . if so, KingThunderBolt would know....
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound 1070	Posted - 2014.10.25 19:45:00 - [66] - Quote As a long time scout I agree heavies can be an issue in PC. In fact it forced me to skill into heavies as an effective counter. But shotgun scouts that can toss REs 10+ meters and kill multiple players are just as much a problem in PC. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2679	Posted - 2014.10.25 20:26:00 - [67] - Quote poison Diego wrote: Im not trying to be rude, just a little tease. I agree completely with you about heavies. And now when they will nerf scouts, if they do it to harshly, PC will turn into HMGs514 As far as I can tell, it already is HMGs514 And don't worry about it "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2680	Posted - 2014.10.27 00:32:00 - [68] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: As a long time scout I agree heavies can be an issue in PC. In fact it forced me to skill into heavies as an effective counter. But shotgun scouts that can toss REs 10+ meters and kill multiple players are just as much a problem in PC. Ive started using RE's in PC to counter heavy spam and have noticed that they don't usually deploy where I place them.... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1047	Posted - 2014.10.27 19:41:00 - [69] - Quote LOL people that still care about PC. 3 Logis repping and laying down a couple of rep hives around a corner + tossing a couple proto fluxes. 4 Heavies. 1 Amarr Scout. ^ Guaranteed to be able to take down anything less than 12 heavies while also lighting up their equipment so you can take down their links.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 902	Posted - 2014.10.27 19:46:00 - [70] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: LOL people that still care about PC. 3 Logis repping and laying down a couple of rep hives around a corner + tossing a couple proto fluxes. 4 Heavies. 1 Amarr Scout. ^ Guaranteed to be able to take down anything less than 12 heavies while also lighting up their equipment so you can take down their links. LOL people that got beat up in PC and act like they only play pubs because its more fun How you going to fit 8 guys in a squad?

Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 351	Posted - 2014.10.27 19:48:00 - [71] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: LOL people that still care about PC. 3 Logis repping and laying down a couple of rep hives around a corner + tossing a couple proto fluxes. 4 Heavies. 1 Amarr Scout. ^ Guaranteed to be able to take down anything less than 12 heavies while also lighting up their equipment so you can take down their links. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bobp5OHVsWY Take a bow
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1774	Posted - 2014.10.27 21:16:00 - [72] - Quote I think that leople have fallen into staleness. Not wanting to try new tactics out. PC has and always been about winning and a lot of people have just kept usong the most ppwerfull thongs they can find at a glance. Im pretty sure thatcounter to heavies that dont include hotty cloaked scouts exist but the PC environment is so competatitive tbat no one wants to experiment. Dont get me wrong, heavies are beast now a days but im just very skeptical of the communities ability to actually think beyong "bigger guns" or "Obviously overpowered; lets use this". I understand the problem, i juat dont think anyone has tried anything beyond using heavies or scouts to counter each other in an orga ized well though out manner. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
hfderrtgvcd 1009	Posted - 2014.10.27 22:09:00 - [73] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: I think that leople have fallen into staleness. Not wanting to try new tactics out. PC has and always been about winning and a lot of people have just kept usong the most ppwerfull thongs they can find at a glance. Im pretty sure thatcounter to heavies that dont include hotty cloaked scouts exist but the PC environment is so competatitive tbat no one wants to experiment. Dont get me wrong, heavies are beast now a days but im just very skeptical of the communities ability to actually think beyong "bigger guns" or "Obviously overpowered; lets use this". I understand the problem, i juat dont think anyone has tried anything beyond using heavies or scouts to counter each other in an orga ized well though out manner. pray tell, what would you use to counter heavy squad with a rep logi and a scout running scans? You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2681	Posted - 2014.10.27 23:44:00 - [74] - Quote I just want to be clear, there are only a few things that I think need to be done to fix the problem: 1. Rep tools need a rework from perma lock to giving lots of reps for a short period of time then requiring recharge, numbers dependent on the variant. Also, they need to give a lesser amount of repair to shields as well. 2. Uplinks need a rework to make them more tactical than "SPAM UPLINKS IN DA CITY OR WE LOSE", which really is the situation right now. The CPM have some innovative ideas on this. 3. Shared passives need to be removed, or at least heavily reworked. Either fully remove them, or rework them so that heavies can't have Amarr Scout vision with 1500 armor and an HMG. My idea was an average of scans between sharer and receiver, but that would require a lot of work by the system, and probably result in lots of glitches. 4. Heavies may need to take more damage from behind than they do, simply as a balancing factor. However, id like to see how other changes work out first before we implement this one. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 903	Posted - 2014.10.28 09:39:00 - [75] - Quote I don't like the idea of passive scans being removed, we just need some sort of counter for it. Maybe a piece of equipment that blocks all scans in a radius of where it's thrown down at.


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