What your not haveing fun in that meatgrinder cause i know i am. you can blame CCP for my assault being useless and makeing me go heavy Hulkmode in that undercover letter. i just tryed out my shotgun scout for the first time tonight in PC and that was even more OP. all i can say is you tards in PC made me do this i was a life long assault but if the meatgrinder is how its going down then so be it. im a get all this crap nerfed.

I've started laying Boundless REs in pairs...just to be sure. It feels like a cheap tactic, but it works.

A full squad of Sentinels in PC is just 6 people asking for Remotes to get shoved up their [expletive].

Heavies need to be ejected from the CQC defense role.

This crap was inevitable, all it was waiting for back In beta was the right maps. Now PC is pretty much CQC maps and heavies should be ranged fire support.

loltanks

Tanks are useless in PC.

winmatar commando with dual massdrivers +++++++++++++kills in comfined areas.

ps. i find it ironic that a person from FA is whining about heavies when they (FA) use scouts to the extreme FOTMness

If the maps had more depth and secondary objectives heavy spam wouldn't be viable. Until they fix that we will continue to battle it out in the meatgrinder.

loltanks

Tanks are useless in PC.

Lol have you ever played PC?

now now it's a well known fact that Gav extremely biased against Heavies while defending his OP FOTM scout suit to the death as such take anything he says about balance with a chunk of salt

That may be true, but he's dead on correct in this thread.

Pretty much every day for the past 2 months, and even before then.

Sun shines on a dog's ass sooner or later.

Not all of us have your wisdom or intelligence. Please excuse us.

There is no problem with a single heavy. There is no problem with 3 heavies.

There is, however, a problem where it is quite simply not possible for a team to output enough DPS to kill 6 heavies before they begin going through spawns again. Its quite simply impossible to do.

6 heavies? is that a joke? It is more common to run into 8 or 9 heavies 2 logis, an ads and rest scouts

Oh ok, I'm sure I have a few coppers for you. Go... buy whatever it is people like you buy...

tattered hats...

Beard dirt?

Heavy spam only works properly if the conditions are right

Drop Uplinks everywhere.

Nanohives everywhere.

Habitual Scans to alert tam of enemy presence.

Constant Logi support.

Heavy spam is not a cheap tactic, it's the result of a carefully orchestrated support network set up around the objective. You don't kill weeds by chopping their heads off, you gotta pull them up from the roots, so they stop coming back like the parasitic leeches they are.

Spend less time shooting heavies, and more time shooting that one drop uplink that allows those 5 heavies to keep spawning.

Everything that has been said here is true to some extent. My question is this:

Shouldn't every suit be viable in PC?

I mean to be fair, no merc wants to put in all that work in an area just to be rendered null and void in the pinnacle of the game?! If a merc goes assault nowadays he's useless in PC for the most part?! There are a few dedicated assault slayers still around that can get it done, but they're playing on extremely hard mode.

Having a proto sentinel almost guarantees a role in PC right now. I don't know how many PC chats I have been in where if you say "RF1" 32 mercs type "proto heavy" in the chat?! I myself am on the bench unless I type that I also have proto scout in the chat. I am them bound to sprint-hack-die duty for the duration of the PC match?!

Right now in PC your either a heavy, logi-*****, or scout. I would love to see PC a whole overhauled completely! Currently it's just a skirmish on roids where we go to die quicker in full proto than we do normally in standard fits?!

Alot of mercs here in the forums have proposed some changes, but with all the changes that the game has seen I think it's time for a change to PC entirely. CCP, in my opinion, has started to notice. This is why they started to work on factional warfare! I believe until we can truly add eve on a larger scale than just OB support, until we can make PC a true war mode, and until we can find a cure for tactic-less spam we will be stuck with a mode no one wants to waste isk on?!

I think the key to attracting more players is PC. So it will need to be worthwhile. Players like to reach the meat of the story in gaming, and PC for all intents and purposes is that steak sandwich in dust. For a player to grind up enough SP to participate in PC just to realize it's an incomplete game mode riddled with heavy and scout spam is dissapointing?!

I completely understand the OP's point here because I've seen it. If you don't think it's true go get in a proto assault with your best weapon, and fight in a PC. The only thing you will accomplish is burning isk?!

Proto Assault is not extreme hard mode.

I have ADV minASS and it is VERY good. Like close to being OP good. If you have a squad, assaults are better than scouts, unless you are the only scout in the squad.

I haven't run it in a PC as of yet, but once the sidearm event is over+2 weeks capping, Ill be relatively close to full proto, at which point Ill probably run it over my min scout except for the occasional speed hack or HP defense.

Comparatively, assault is hard mode in PC, you don't know this because you said it yourself - you haven't tried it yet.

Keep your coppers and go buy a spot in a PC so you actually have a clue what you're talking about.

I know it must be hard, being a Pubstar AVer and all, but a dose of humility would go a long way.

I'm not holding my breath for either one.

Comparatively, assault is hard mode in PC, you don't know this because you said it yourself - you haven't tried it yet.

I will do PC again when it is fun, and not another chore to be done.