I know.

I just brought it up to prove a point. Honestly, scouts need some defense. It may not necessarily have to be a light weapon in particular but some means of shooting back is needed if scouts are to ever run into a situation where their EWAR may not work.

Also, I would be extra careful of about buffing sidearms as compensation for the loss of the light weapon slot. Remember the Bolt Pistol and how powerful it is? As it stands, that thing is almost as effective as an AR. Now imagine seeing scouts with a buff to a weapon like that.

Logical from which standpoint?

Realistic - No competent military would intentionally limit the combat capabilities of their unit, as it's within their best interest that all units survive. Medics have access to the same weapons as any other soldier would, barring highly specialized ones (ie, you most likely won't see a medic holding an AV weapon).

Gameplay - Lets look at their weaknesses (compared to Assaults)

• Low HP
• Low Speed
• Low Stamina
• No Sidearm Slot*
• Smaller Engagement Window

Looking at this list, they're already gimped in several areas when it comes to combat and confrontations. They don't need any more weaknesses than what they currently have, as the current ones are sufficient in limiting their combat efficiency.

When ever I bring this up It just gets instantly buried and with so many scout threads already I wanted to fit in.

I understand the tryhards need to be op to get kills, but what I don't understand is why the classic scouts don't speak up about the scouts ability without cloak or with side arms only I mean I can't be the only one that thinks this is just as viable and would not require any change to the cloak. Issues of assault cloak would be taken away without reducing our CQC killing power, and with the cloak we can just avoid long range combat (unless using bolt or mag sec).

This change would effect so many aspects of the game positively:
Commandos and assaults become more viable
The SG gains a role that isn't a cheap trick holding doorways and with commando assaulting.
Scanners become more viable because lone scouts will be less likely to massacre a team
The cloak would remain flowing, but be balanced because of the dps/range/clip deficiencies of side arms

I play a no cloak side arm only scout so the upcoming changes don't effect me because I nerfed myself lol. When I have used cloak the sneakier nature of it is pretty fun and it flows really well once you have an adv or higher cloak even when using sidearms only. I would hate to see that play style ruined it is kind of like the story of Judgment of Solomon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_az3eNb0fI The tryhards vs the real scouts.

Please stay on topic I don't care about your ideas I have read them in the other 12 recent threads about scouts not that your ideas are not valid, but because I just don't think this gets any real consideration because the tryhards are quick to bury or derail any attempt to have a real discussion about side arms only scouts.

The role of a logi is to support troops, not kill the enemy.

People who carry a lot of equipment in battle will be given lighter weapons e.g. someone carrying a tripod might only get a pistol instead of a machine gun.

Congratulations, you just obliterated the role of the Minmatar Scout as a dedicated ninja knifer which is exactly the kind of role I dedicated myself towards for 2 years and counting.

Congratulations, you just obliterated the role of the Minmatar Scout as a dedicated ninja knifer which is exactly the kind of role I dedicated myself towards for 2 years and counting.

When the Scout class is working as intended, then Rifles are not a good choice.- The delay between decloaking and firing which is being introduced in 1.9 is one step toward having Scouts work as intended.

- Armour Plate stacking should be addressed. I favour increasing movement penalties so that a Scout with the HP of an Assault, moves like an Assault. (This would apply to Plate, not Reactive Plate or Ferrosteel.)

I donGÇÖt see any reason why we would want to prevent Scouts from using Sniper Rifles, Mass Drivers, and Plasma Cannons. Preventing Scouts from using Shotguns is just stupid.

When the Scout class is working as intended, then Rifles are not a good choice.- The delay between decloaking and firing which is being introduced in 1.9 is one step toward having Scouts work as intended.

- Armour Plate stacking should be addressed. I favour increasing movement penalties so that a Scout with the HP of an Assault, moves like an Assault. (This would apply to Plate, not Reactive Plate or Ferrosteel.)

I donGÇÖt see any reason why we would want to prevent Scouts from using Sniper Rifles, Mass Drivers, and Plasma Cannons. Preventing Scouts from using Shotguns is just stupid.

SR and AV are a small loss that promotes versatility increasing the games health.

When ever I bring this up It just gets instantly buried and with so many scout threads already I wanted to fit in.

I understand the tryhards need to be op to get kills, but what I don't understand is why the classic scouts don't speak up about the scouts ability without cloak or with side arms only I mean I can't be the only one that thinks this is just as viable and would not require any change to the cloak. Issues of assault cloak would be taken away without reducing our CQC killing power, and with the cloak we can just avoid long range combat (unless using bolt or mag sec).

This change would effect so many aspects of the game positively:
Commandos and assaults become more viable
The SG gains a role that isn't a cheap trick holding doorways and with commando assaulting.
Scanners become more viable because lone scouts will be less likely to massacre a team
The cloak would remain flowing, but be balanced because of the dps/range/clip deficiencies of side arms

I play a no cloak side arm only scout so the upcoming changes don't effect me because I nerfed myself lol. When I have used cloak the sneakier nature of it is pretty fun and it flows really well once you have an adv or higher cloak even when using sidearms only. I would hate to see that play style ruined it is kind of like the story of Judgment of Solomon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_az3eNb0fI The tryhards vs the real scouts.

Please stay on topic I don't care about your ideas I have read them in the other 12 recent threads about scouts not that your ideas are not valid, but because I just don't think this gets any real consideration because the tryhards are quick to bury or derail any attempt to have a real discussion about side arms only scouts.

When ever I bring this up It just gets instantly buried and with so many scout threads already I wanted to fit in.

I understand the tryhards need to be op to get kills, but what I don't understand is why the classic scouts don't speak up about the scouts ability without cloak or with side arms only I mean I can't be the only one that thinks this is just as viable and would not require any change to the cloak. Issues of assault cloak would be taken away without reducing our CQC killing power, and with the cloak we can just avoid long range combat (unless using bolt or mag sec).

This change would effect so many aspects of the game positively:
Commandos and assaults become more viable
The SG gains a role that isn't a cheap trick holding doorways and with commando assaulting.
Scanners become more viable because lone scouts will be less likely to massacre a team
The cloak would remain flowing, but be balanced because of the dps/range/clip deficiencies of side arms

I play a no cloak side arm only scout so the upcoming changes don't effect me because I nerfed myself lol. When I have used cloak the sneakier nature of it is pretty fun and it flows really well once you have an adv or higher cloak even when using sidearms only. I would hate to see that play style ruined it is kind of like the story of Judgment of Solomon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_az3eNb0fI The tryhards vs the real scouts.

Please stay on topic I don't care about your ideas I have read them in the other 12 recent threads about scouts not that your ideas are not valid, but because I just don't think this gets any real consideration because the tryhards are quick to bury or derail any attempt to have a real discussion about side arms only scouts.

With exception of maybe the sniper would you agree those are meant to be assault roles? Draconian - relating to, or characteristic of Draco or the severe code of laws held to have been framed by him. I don't understand how balancing an obviously over powered class is severe lol.

The other changes you brought up are balancing around around the assault role. Attempting to balance the game around a scout assault role instead of taking it away is what has caused the current issues and is going to create more; it is eliminating the assault and commando classes because as you stated "the light weapon is really what makes the suit worthwhile" over assault and commando suits.

Little Known Fact: Nova Knives can fit in the Light Weapon Slot.

With exception of maybe the sniper would you agree those are meant to be assault roles? Draconian - relating to, or characteristic of Draco or the severe code of laws held to have been framed by him. I don't understand how balancing an obviously over powered class is severe lol.

The other changes you brought up are balancing around around the assault role. Attempting to balance the game around a scout assault role instead of taking it away is what has caused the current issues and is going to create more; it is eliminating the assault and commando classes because as you stated "the light weapon is really what makes the suit worthwhile" over assault and commando suits.

i use scout 24/7 and i even suggested this but all of these rryhard light weapon scrubs got mad and instantly denied it. So now when i see a scout with light weapons they aee instantly labeld a scrub in my book. Real scouts dont need light weapons to get kills real scouts run dual sidearms.

Right, rifles won't be as good of a choice because the cloak delay will turn cheap one shot kills from exploitation of broken mechanics into the primary play style because it reduces the viability of others.


No other issues will need to be addressed if there offence is balanced.


SR and AV are a small loss that promotes versatility increasing the games health.

The cloak is a great tool for those that play as a scout and the flow and even the de-cloak time is very important to those that play with sidearms. The cloak change will nerf assault scout it will also cement the assault scout role.

So do Scouts...

There are many issues effecting Scouts right now which are causing them to be more powerful than they should be. Their ability to use Rifles is not one of them.