DUST Search - You should be rewarded based on K/D

Pushing Charlie wrote:

Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:

Pushing Charlie wrote:

Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, so CCP should prioritize rewarding high K/D players. A player that tops the board with a negative K/D is still a bad player, and should not receive more rewards than someone who goes positive. This is why the following should be added:

Daily SP should be changed to 1,000*(Your current K/D);
Players with a higher K/D no matter their position on the board should receive more SP and ISK than those who go negative;
Getting out of the Academy should require a 2.0 K/D as opposed to a WP requirement;
The current events should be based on overall K/D as opposed to overall kills;

I do believe that these changes would have a positive effect on player count and skill, furthermore I will bring these suggestions to the eyes of the CPM and ultimately, CCP.

Lol. Player base would drop down to under 500. I'm sorry, I won't use a game to prove any "skill". I should be rewarded for playing period. CCP should want that too.

Go measure your c*ck elsewhereGÇª primarily, in a girl.

500 skilled players, as opposed to 5,000 **** players.

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Lanius Pulvis Evzones Public.Disorder. 353	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:43:00 - [31] - Quote 3/10, too obvious, and if by some miracle it's not a troll, that's just plain idiotic! Not new, just new to you.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 123	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:54:00 - [32] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Let me reiterate what I just said. I don't care about my own KDR. PERIOD. It is horrid by many people's standards, but in the end, no one looks at my KDR and judges me on that because they know I don't care about it. PS: By your logic, I should forever be imprisoned in the Academy. Yes, I would see no problem with that, you would be trapped forever with those who also do not care, in the end isn't that what you people want? To be thrown in with people who also do not care, after all the moaning and bitching on here about Proto, I assumed that's what you people would want. Oki after this message i see it like proper trolling or complete stupidity. Judging people in GAME by nonsence like K/D, hell game is about FUN. If you want skill try sport and some tournament, this is pure nonsence. I changin' my score in review of this thread on 0/10 - PURE GARBAGE "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Dreis Shadowweaver Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 254	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:59:00 - [33] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: I also forgot to mention, dropping below a K/D of 2.0 sends you back to the Academy. You do realise that it's actually impossible for everyone to have at least a 2.00 k/d without feeding on newbs because logic, right? One guy's k/d goes up, the other's goes down... Someone's getting sent to the academy. Join the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1030	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:07:00 - [34] - Quote Please do not feed the trolls. They are for display purposes only.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3559	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:09:00 - [35] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Please do not feed the trolls. They are for display purposes only. I paid a whole dollar for a handful of food pellets and I will throw it at the trolls if I want to He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Paeonn xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:10:00 - [36] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, / Don't bother. This guy will never get it... =ƒÿü Paeonn, dedicated LogiBro, for all your supplies, reps and rezGÇÖs Greek mythology: Paeon, Healer of the Gods
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 123	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:11:00 - [37] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: Please do not feed the trolls. They are for display purposes only. I paid a whole dollar for a handful of food pellets and I will throw it at the trolls if I want to I like turtles "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 239	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:14:00 - [38] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, so CCP should prioritize rewarding high K/D players. A player that tops the board with a negative K/D is still a bad player, and should not receive more rewards than someone who goes positive. This is why the following should be added: Daily SP should be changed to 1,000(Your current K/D); Players with a higher K/D no matter their position on the board should receive more SP and ISK than those who go negative; Getting out of the Academy should require a 2.0 K/D as opposed to a WP requirement; The current events should be based on overall K/D as opposed to overall kills; I do believe that these changes would have a positive effect on player count and skill, furthermore I will bring these suggestions to the eyes of the CPM and ultimately, CCP. You're basically saying fk the logis and all hail tankers. Proud member of Glitched Connection "Only idiots start a fight they can't win"* - Sora (No Game No Life)
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 255	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:15:00 - [39] - Quote Paeonn wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, / Don't bother. This guy will never get it... =ƒÿü I guess I can't get what I already have. That's why I'm posting, to share my experience and wisdom. Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 255	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:16:00 - [40] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, so CCP should prioritize rewarding high K/D players. A player that tops the board with a negative K/D is still a bad player, and should not receive more rewards than someone who goes positive. This is why the following should be added: Daily SP should be changed to 1,000(Your current K/D); Players with a higher K/D no matter their position on the board should receive more SP and ISK than those who go negative; Getting out of the Academy should require a 2.0 K/D as opposed to a WP requirement; The current events should be based on overall K/D as opposed to overall kills; I do believe that these changes would have a positive effect on player count and skill, furthermore I will bring these suggestions to the eyes of the CPM and ultimately, CCP. You're basically saying f*k the logis and all hail tankers. A logi can kill too, a good Logi should be able to go positive, or at least break even in Pubs. Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!

Paeonn xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:18:00 - [41] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Paeonn wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, / Don't bother. This guy will never get it... =ƒÿü I guess I can't get what I already have. That's why I'm posting, to share my experience and wisdom. Get... the point. You didn't even get that. Lol Paeonn, dedicated LogiBro, for all your supplies, reps and rezGÇÖs Greek mythology: Paeon, Healer of the Gods
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 124	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:18:00 - [42] - Quote Still turtles "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1641	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:20:00 - [43] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, so CCP should prioritize rewarding high K/D players. A player that tops the board with a negative K/D is still a bad player, and should not receive more rewards than someone who goes positive. This is why the following should be added: Daily SP should be changed to 1,000*(Your current K/D); Players with a higher K/D no matter their position on the board should receive more SP and ISK than those who go negative; Getting out of the Academy should require a 2.0 K/D as opposed to a WP requirement; The current events should be based on overall K/D as opposed to overall kills; I do believe that these changes would have a positive effect on player count and skill, furthermore I will bring these suggestions to the eyes of the CPM and ultimately, CCP. how many scouts and logis do you know who leave a game high kdr or positive isk for that matter. not many. well done your idea just killed of a big chunk of the the already small playerbase. All Hail Legion
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3972	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:40:00 - [44] - Quote There's some compelling points in this argument. Logi's just get in the way and just take up space on the team. Nanohives? Why would I want to resupply? I'm busy *killing* Uplinks? Are you mad son? Why would I want to spawn in when I'm busy *killing* Active scanners? Don't make me laugh, I don't need to know where the enemy is when I'm busy *killing* I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 125	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:42:00 - [45] - Quote Spademan wrote: There's some compelling points in this argument. Logi's just get in the way and just take up space on the team. Nanohives? Why would I want to resupply? I'm busy *killing* Uplinks? Are you mad son? Why would I want to spawn in when I'm busy *killing* Active scanners? Don't make me laugh, I don't need to know where the enemy is when I'm busy *killing* Honestly boyo im still on back of my squad and healin' them even if im hurt Need ammo, hell im your boyo just take it Need cover after fix, yup just run i will cover ya See support is usefull too sometimes and do not to be a slayer and still turtles im done here nonsence thread is nonsence "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3955	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:01:00 - [46] - Quote Bad troll is bad. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1030	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:05:00 - [47] - Quote When I'm logi'n and my two heavy duty attack dogs go 30/0 each and I go 0/0 with 5k WP, you can suck my K/D. My K/D is on the end of a leash. Gr8 B8 M8
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:06:00 - [48] - Quote That's ********. I don't know very many games that exactly does that. And that's for a good reason.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2678	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:08:00 - [49] - Quote K/D(r) matchmaking would so def fix this. It eliminates K/D(r) almost altogether. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 419	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:21:00 - [50] - Quote so you want dust to be cod? no thanks. baseing rewards off of k/d is an extremely bad idea. the current reward system is quite decent. preety much takes into account everything that gets blown up/killed and some other complex mathematical equation to work out reward. if you can top the match from soley hacking every frckn thing in sight you deserve to have the highest reward. just because you can go 24/3 while slaying and come in 2nd place because some guy WAS actually being a logi and supporting his team while in the line of fire and takes 1st place means that he was doing something to help your team win. not everyone wants to be front slayers. other people simply want to do other things. like pilot dropships, lavs , or tanks, logi, hack the fck out of everything and so on. the slaying game should not be the highest rewarding way of acculmating the reward. want to know why? because in order to achive high scores you've got to RISK better gear or just be cannon fodder to achive such a score. overall though baseing reward on K/D is an absolutely horrible idea. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*

Yeeeuuuupppp Vengeance Unbound 628	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:50:00 - [51] - Quote Logistics. "Removed for hurting my feelings" - CCP PSN: GMANCASH Rage Proficiency V
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 8	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:13:00 - [52] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: I did back it up with hard evidence, you can't win a game based on WP or position on the board, simple as. They can be won through kills and lost through deaths. Actually, holding the objective(s) longer wins the matches. Except ambushes. I've been in matches where the winning team took more clone losses. KDR is great for bragging, yeah I agree there could be a small multiplier to the battle payouts, but saying KDR trumps all is just silly. Only in an ambush is that a true statement. In all cases, teamwork trumps all. 5 snipers on a team getting KDR of 5 each does not help the team win. Edit: a small multiplier of (your kills / team deaths) for end of battle sp payout.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2504	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:48:00 - [53] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, so CCP should prioritize rewarding high K/D players. A player that tops the board with a negative K/D is still a bad player, and should not receive more rewards than someone who goes positive. This is why the following should be added: Daily SP should be changed to 1,000(Your current K/D); Players with a higher K/D no matter their position on the board should receive more SP and ISK than those who go negative; Getting out of the Academy should require a 2.0 K/D as opposed to a WP requirement; The current events should be based on overall K/D as opposed to overall kills; I do believe that these changes would have a positive effect on player count and skill, furthermore I will bring these suggestions to the eyes of the CPM and ultimately, CCP. As someone who used to have a 6KDR with tryhard pants, and now casually maintains a 4+ KDR due to my obsession with joker fits, i think you're a bit nuts on this idea. WP/D ratio is far more important, imo, then KDR. EDIT: Ghost Recon: Phantoms is also a "Team" based game and rewards points even more for teamwork and objective play on a higher basis then DUST 514 and I think it plays even better as a result.* KDR is amazingballs in slayer games but can be damaging to gameplay in team-oriented objective games. Honestly I with DUST could be even more biased in Skirmish with the way points are awarded the same way that Phantoms does, it would really incentive people to play more intelligently and make "Winning" a skirmish match even more important. Anyways, I think when I kill an HAV or a veteran protobear it ought to count more then when you kill some clueless blueberry in a militia starter fit, another reason why KDR is crap, it only encourages bottom feeding. Oh god damnit I just read OP's signature... I got fished good. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 438	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:05:00 - [54] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: Our K/D is the single most important stat in this game, so CCP should prioritize rewarding high K/D players. A player that tops the board with a negative K/D is still a bad player, and should not receive more rewards than someone who goes positive. This is why the following should be added: Daily SP should be changed to 1,000(Your current K/D); Players with a higher K/D no matter their position on the board should receive more SP and ISK than those who go negative; Getting out of the Academy should require a 2.0 K/D as opposed to a WP requirement; The current events should be based on overall K/D as opposed to overall kills; I do believe that these changes would have a positive effect on player count and skill, furthermore I will bring these suggestions to the eyes of the CPM and ultimately, CCP. Lol. Player base would drop down to under 500. I'm sorry, I won't use a game to prove any "skill". I should be rewarded for playing period. CCP should want that too. Go measure your cck elsewhereGÇª primarily, in a girl. 500 skilled players, as opposed to 5,000 **** players. Please tell me you aren't in marketing. Of course, CCP could use your talents. Seems they like hiring shoddy marketing guys. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
gustavo acosta Pure Evil. 306	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:18:00 - [55] - Quote >Reads thread >Chuckles Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Thurak1 Psygod9 1017	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:29:00 - [56] - Quote This must be a troll thread. That or this guy has no idea what the logi role is. Also the OP is out of tune with the realities of warfare in general.
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 126	Posted - 2014.10.05 07:02:00 - [57] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Spademan wrote: There's some compelling points in this argument. Logi's just get in the way and just take up space on the team. Nanohives? Why would I want to resupply? I'm busy *killing* Uplinks? Are you mad son? Why would I want to spawn in when I'm busy *killing* Active scanners? Don't make me laugh, I don't need to know where the enemy is when I'm busy *killing* Honestly boyo im still on back of my squad and healin' them even if im hurt Need ammo, hell im your boyo just take it Need cover after fix, yup just run i will cover ya See support is usefull too sometimes and do not to be a slayer and still turtles im done here nonsence thread is nonsence I love thy logi!! Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 126	Posted - 2014.10.05 07:08:00 - [58] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: I did back it up with hard evidence, you can't win a game based on WP or position on the board, simple as. They can be won through kills and lost through deaths. Actually, holding the objective(s) longer wins the matches. Except ambushes. I've been in matches where the winning team took more clone losses. KDR is great for bragging, yeah I agree there could be a small multiplier to the battle payouts, but saying KDR trumps all is just silly. Only in an ambush is that a true statement. In all cases, teamwork trumps all. 5 snipers on a team getting KDR of 5 each does not help the team win. Edit: a small multiplier of (your kills / team deaths) for end of battle sp payout. What if they form a star across the map and have a pentagon security system while the ground troops push the enemies like assaults pushes, scouts sabotage and flank, and heavies AV / defend on point and logi's heal squads?? Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2014.10.05 07:42:00 - [59] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: At the end of the day, a battle cannot be won through WP, or through dropping hives, although both help. Kills are a more direct and effective means of winning battles, there is no way you can win battles through WP, it is straight up impossible, but you can do so with kills, and that is where this idea stems from. To summarize, Importance of K/D > Importance of WP and Position on Board. Yes, killing is important in Dust. But remember that we are immortal mercenaries. We don't care about dying. At least I don't. I will often spawn, run in with knives or maybe an SMG, and die while taking someone with me. Rinse. Repeat until you have distracted the enemy long enough for your team to overtake them. This strategy will inevitably result in me dying A LOT but in the end, capturing that objective brings home the bacon. until your team gets cloned out because of your careless use of the teams clones. now if you kill a lot not die a lot while taking the letter you would help your team far more. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9645	Posted - 2014.10.05 10:37:00 - [60] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: At the end of the day, a battle cannot be won through WP, or through dropping hives, although both help. Kills are a more direct and effective means of winning battles, there is no way you can win battles through WP, it is straight up impossible, but you can do so with kills, and that is where this idea stems from. To summarize, Importance of K/D > Importance of WP and Position on Board. Yes, killing is important in Dust. But remember that we are immortal mercenaries. We don't care about dying. At least I don't. I will often spawn, run in with knives or maybe an SMG, and die while taking someone with me. Rinse. Repeat until you have distracted the enemy long enough for your team to overtake them. This strategy will inevitably result in me dying A LOT but in the end, capturing that objective brings home the bacon. until your team gets cloned out because of your careless use of the teams clones. now if you kill a lot not die a lot while taking the letter you would help your team far more. This would be true... if I were in a PC match. But since my corp is no longer involved in PC, I don't have to worry much about that. Besides, right now with the sidearm expert challenge going on I'm not caring about clone loss. As long as I can get another kill with my militia nova knives before I die again (breaking even basically), I'm good. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.



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