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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:29:00 -
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Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? Will I get a respec for the fire rate I spec'd into or am I just stuck with a turd? How is it fair to Neff it so hard instead of buffing av to be able to deal with it. I spec'd into 50% fire rate and nice afterburners. You better be coming out with better vehicles if you don't give respecs.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
3302
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:39:00 -
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CCP, take a load off. I've got your light work.
Demandred Moores wrote:Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? The AB and fuel injector nerf was a long time coming. Balancing sometimes calls for nerfing. Meanwhile, swarm launchers have been pretty much goddamned useless forever. Now they might be more viable as an AV weapon.
Demandred Moores wrote:Will I get a respec for the fire rate I spec'd into or am I just stuck with a turd? It will be a cold, cold day in hell before CCP gives anyone a respec for anything.
Demandred Moores wrote:How is it fair to nerf it so hard instead of buffing av to be able to deal with it. I spec'd into 50% fire rate and nice afterburners. "Nice afterburners"?  It was an 'I ****** up, CHEESE IT!' button. You know CCP doesn't like low-risk/high-reward scenarios. You had to have seen this coming.
Demandred Moores wrote:You money paying costumer Demanded Moores Infantry pays CCP money too... entitled much?
Final thought - the notes also included a 123,000 ISK price drop for ADS and 30% price drop for small turrets. ADS'ing is now cheaper. Did you selectively choose to ignore those little tidbits?
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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:44:00 -
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If they took it one thing at a time I might not be so butt hurt. I play infantry also about 41m sp and I spent it on specific things. Why should I be needed instead of av getting buffed better? This isn't a healthy way to develop a game and keep a fan base. Not saying I'm leaving. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:53:00 -
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I remember popping a 3 million isk proto tank solo once in about 7 seconds. Bet that guy broke his damn tv. Ads's pilots crack me up.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
3303
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:54:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:I remember popping a 3 million isk proto tank solo once in about 7 seconds. Bet that guy broke his damn tv. Ads's pilots crack me up. Considering it was probably his first HAV loss in months he was probably fine with it.
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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:58:00 -
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No 3m tanks now days the was probably before 1.6.
But how can you strip me of so many things I spec into mr. Dev. I can name so many players that hate how you Nerf instead of buffing and won't be following you to legion. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3442
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:00:00 -
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Demandred Moores wrote:Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av?
The level of nerf is generally somewhat comparable to the level of OP it is.
ADS is really OP.
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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:29:00 -
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I agree it is op but this is too much at once and very unfair to people that grinned months for the sp. More than a 50% hit to what I spec'd into. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4654
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:36:00 -
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I don't think ADS are OP at all.
This is a case of trying to balance things in pubs, where there are droves of idiots not pulling out AV.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1827
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:38:00 -
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Demandred Moores wrote:I agree it is op but this is too much at once and very unfair to people that grinned months for the sp. More than a 50% hit to what I spec'd into.
I think we will have to wait and see if it is unfair or not. It really is impossible to tell if a buff or nerf is too much until players get their hands on it. Come back a month or so after delta and share your complain then, I'm sure everyone, devs included, will be more receptive too it and you'll be able to have data to back up your claims.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1532
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:41:00 -
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A speed buff & turn nerf for swarms and knocking them into buildings will still be the only real threat they pose to a DS. The RoF nerf for ADS isn't too bad. I might have went with 5% instead of 3% but 10% was certainly too high.
Ripley Riley wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:I remember popping a 3 million isk proto tank solo once in about 7 seconds. Bet that guy broke his damn tv. Ads's pilots crack me up. Considering it was probably his first HAV loss in months he was probably fine with it.
Not back when they cost millions. A good tanker could keep from losing one for a while but most tankers aren't good.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1540
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:43:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:A speed buff & turn nerf for swarms and knocking them into buildings will still be the only real threat they pose to a DS. The RoF nerf for ADS isn't too bad. I might have went with 5% instead of 3% but 10% was certainly too high. Ripley Riley wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:I remember popping a 3 million isk proto tank solo once in about 7 seconds. Bet that guy broke his damn tv. Ads's pilots crack me up. Considering it was probably his first HAV loss in months he was probably fine with it. Not back when they cost millions. A good tanker could keep from losing one for a while but most tankers aren't good.
When they cost that much, only the really good ones had the balls to run them.
If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.
Also, Raptors...
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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:49:00 -
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There is a reason over half the community has left the game, ccp does not reward hard work and patience. I for one will not be interested in any future projects and I wish everyone else luck who moves to legion and Valkery or however you b spell it. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
3308
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:52:00 -
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Demandred Moores wrote:There is a reason over half the community has left the game, ccp does not reward hard work and patience. Hard work and patience? ADS pilots have been farming kills with little-to-no risk for months now.
Demandred Moores wrote:I for one will not be interested in any future projects and I wish everyone else luck who moves to legion and Valkery or however you spell it. Valkyrie.
Before you make an ass of yourself on the forums why don't you actually let Delta drop? There is still a place for ADS pilots on the battlefield. No, you will not be as OP as you were before, but you will still be useful.
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1700
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:54:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Demandred Moores wrote:Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? The level of nerf is generally somewhat comparable to the level of OP it is. ADS is really OP.
ADS is far from op. One single forge can deal with any ADS.
The afterburner change I agree with totally, its the RoF nerf that seems just baffling.
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1700
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:57:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I don't think ADS are OP at all.
This is a case of trying to balance things in pubs, where there are droves of idiots not pulling out AV.
It seems so. I can only assume people have never actually tried using an ADS.
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MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1532
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:57:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Thumb Green wrote:A speed buff & turn nerf for swarms and knocking them into buildings will still be the only real threat they pose to a DS. The RoF nerf for ADS isn't too bad. I might have went with 5% instead of 3% but 10% was certainly too high. Ripley Riley wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:I remember popping a 3 million isk proto tank solo once in about 7 seconds. Bet that guy broke his damn tv. Ads's pilots crack me up. Considering it was probably his first HAV loss in months he was probably fine with it. Not back when they cost millions. A good tanker could keep from losing one for a while but most tankers aren't good. When they cost that much, only the really good ones had the balls to run them.
Nah plenty of bad ones ran them; that's mostly what you seen, just bad tankers that only skilled into it because they thought "It's a tank" and then they'd come on here whining that "it's a tank, AV should only be a nuisance; only a tank should take out a tank ". There's only ever been a handful of good tankers.
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:02:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Demandred Moores wrote:Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? The level of nerf is generally somewhat comparable to the level of OP it is. ADS is really OP.
Called it! |
Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:03:00 -
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Yes they are op now yes they will be usable. I was speaking of how long it took to get that sp not how easy it is to farm kills. But this is not all they nerfed out of the 40m+ sp I have. This is just how I feel about it, I simply don't like how they treat people with mass amounts of locked in sp. I believe these things should be taken in steps. One month they want to buff the python then they want to Nerf it and buff av. I Shouldn't be able to get 60 kills so easily but if you didn't realize the turrets are very much improved and on certain maps can now make it really difficult against exp. players. I simply just think it's too much at once and that 25%-30% fire rate would be enough of a Nerf making me feel 3m sp wasn't wasted there. 15% is nothing. |
Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:03:00 -
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I've still never seen an ADS drop because of AV and last I saw they are still slaughtering every match I'm in |
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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:07:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:I've still never seen an ADS drop because of AV and last I saw they are still slaughtering every match I'm in
Have you played pc? I get my ads stolen in a bush and I drop it myself with swarms and help from a forge friend. Go play with ns they'll show you how. My corp destroys ads pilots. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2960
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:19:00 -
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Demandred Moores wrote:I spent my SP into the most unstoppable thing in the game several times! Each time before my overpowered thing was nerfed by CCP to make it less OP! I am angry that I have failed to notice this consistent and predictable pattern and it is happening again!
So now I am angry and want CCP to not keep nerfing overpowered things because losing battlefield godhood makes the game not fun for me! It does not matter if no one except me and other overpowered thing users find the game fun because my thing is overwhelming! Nobody but me and my opinions matter!
The above quote is how my brain translates the premise of this thread. |
Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
655
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:33:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I don't think ADS are OP at all.
This is a case of trying to balance things in pubs, where there are droves of idiots not pulling out AV.
Agreed.
ADS were fine. Sure they seem OP when nobody is shooting at them. All it takes is one decent forge and ADS aren't a threat. |
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2960
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:36:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I don't think ADS are OP at all.
This is a case of trying to balance things in pubs, where there are droves of idiots not pulling out AV. Agreed. ADS were fine. Sure they seem OP when nobody is shooting at them. All it takes is one decent forge and ADS aren't a threat.
Forge guns aren't being buffed. The AV weapon that was utterly ineffectual is.
So bringing the forge into the convo is laughable. |
Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:47:00 -
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I am not fotm chaser I was first mko assault and have been since, mko sct a few other suits I was talking about grenades, tar, and several other things dont twist my words please. |
Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:51:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I don't think ADS are OP at all.
This is a case of trying to balance things in pubs, where there are droves of idiots not pulling out AV. Agreed. ADS were fine. Sure they seem OP when nobody is shooting at them. All it takes is one decent forge and ADS aren't a threat.
Thank you I was waiting on you to post keq. Gg in that pc last night too progress has been amazing in pc since our leadership change. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3451
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:05:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:ADS is far from op. One single forge can deal with any ADS.
The afterburner change I agree with totally, pilots need to get away but the cool-down was way too fast basically being meaningless and a constant use module. its the RoF nerf that seems just baffling.
One forge should be able to deal with any ADS. Also, swarm launchers should work.
A notion I had on the RoF bonus issue, is that a 50% rate of fire swing is huge. A smaller difference between less and more skilled dropships makes them easier to balance. Namely that when a skill bonus applies a 50% change, either newbies are useless, or veterans are OP. On a 15% swing, both can be roughly balanced.
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Demandred Moores
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:13:00 -
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My personal experience has me more frustrated with swarms than forges. Yes it is hard to take out an ads but it's much harder to fight someone with swarms because they don't miss. A forge is a contest of skill where you can actually fly around and fight the forge gunner making him miss depending on who is better. Swarms are a no skill weapon and auto lock makes it impossible to stay in the area. It seems that is more than fair and balanced but this buff will do nothing as I'll just pull out two hardners and tick you off when you only hit for like 200 damage. |
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2964
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:16:00 -
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Demandred Moores wrote:I am not fotm chaser I was first mko assault and have been since, mko sct a few other suits I was talking about grenades, tar, and several other things dont twist my words please.
May not be the case, but it's how it comes off. The ADS is bloody overpowered and there's only two things that can threaten it.
Forge Guns, which are largely not going to kill an ADS even 50% of the time unless we manage to lead just right.
Other ADS. CCP has balanced on the premise that the only consistent counter to a thing cannot be itself. Since the only realistic AND consistent counter to an ADS is another ADS then it is inherently unbalanced.
Forge guns are a realistic counter, but not consistent. |
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2964
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:18:00 -
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Demandred Moores wrote:It seems that is more than fair and balanced but this buff will do nothing as I'll just pull out two hardners and tick you off when you only hit for like 200 damage.
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