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Demandred Moores wrote:

so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs.

Pack pricing is actually based around the number of clones. It has to be, because the number of clones also determine how much is paid out at the end of a match. If you lower the pack price below the going rate for the number of clones, it becomes exploitable to generate ISK through district locking. The pricing sucks, but it's required to prevent abuse.

Planetary Conquest, as a game mode, is a lost cause. The real issue is that the cost of entry (clones), the cost of match payout (clones), and the cost of passive generation (clones) are all the same source, and it causes a lot of problems. I think the reality is, there is no way to fix PC. It needs to be redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up. And that isn't likely to happen in DUST.

look I'm not trying to be a **** anymore but why does it matter when all these corps have maxed wallets anyways. Other corps should have a chance to get into pc. Why can't you make payout a set price and work on pc instead of just calling it a lost cause. Myself and many others have grinded too long and too hard to be told we can't have the fool game in a balanced form.

CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

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Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:37:00 - [31] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: It seems that is more than fair and balanced but this buff will do nothing as I'll just pull out two hardners and tick you off when you only hit for like 200 damage. I approve of this message and/or service. This is what we call "adapting to adversity." Good luck with this plan when I start ripping off the Plasma cannon on you I love the plasma cannon. I won't even be mad and hope to see it take out ads. As it stands it's an excellent scout killer and I love using it lol. Glad for the buff on it.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1207	Posted - 2014.09.22 17:53:00 - [32] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: No 3m tanks now days the was probably before 1.6. But how can you strip me of so many things I spec into mr. Dev. I can name so many players that hate how you Nerf instead of buffing and won't be following you to legion. Won't follow because of a rate of fire nerf ??? Those people have been slapped in the face at FF , had to deal with still not having a formal apology , all the changes in these hot fixes , new games coming out and their leaving over a rate of fire change ? Try tanking while you have a sp decked out derp flying over your head and tell me who's at a disadvantage . This will just make skill point investment that much more use full , instead of having a I win button flying over you raining death and jetting off at the first sign of trouble .. only to return in 3 seconds and do the same all over again . I anti-vehicle most of the time but I see what goes on and this change is needed . Just like HAV's were changed so that they can't stomp infantry , this is just the same . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:07:00 - [33] - Quote I have proto tanks and I destroy ads use some damage mods man.
valad II NoGameNoLife 72	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:09:00 - [34] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? Will I get a respec for the fire rate I spec'd into or am I just stuck with a turd? How is it fair to Nerf it so hard instead of buffing av to be able to deal with it. I spec'd into 50% fire rate and nice afterburners. You better be coming out with better vehicles if you don't give respecs. Your money paying costumer Demanded Moores Yes you are getting a respec. Submit the ticket too CCP. Wait, did infantry get a respec when they nerfed AV? Vehicles were just reset a couple months ago.
Kosakai Eternal Beings 89	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:23:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? The level of nerf is generally somewhat comparable to the level of OP it is. ADS is really OP. is this CPM drunk? PROUD MINMATAR <3 -- IN RUST IS TRUST FORGE GUN LOVER -- TANK HUNTER MINJA KNIFER .......
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 22	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:33:00 - [36] - Quote So can anyone tell me if pythons are getting the same hp buff as myrons?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3493	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:43:00 - [37] - Quote Kosakai wrote: is this CPM drunk? I can confirm I am not drunk. I actually don't drink. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 981	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:59:00 - [38] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? The level of nerf is generally somewhat comparable to the level of OP it is. ADS is really OP. Calling BS. The current interactions between swarms and ALL dropships is unbalanced, skewed in dropship pilots favor of being to easy to evade swarms. But that does not make the ADS OP. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3494	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:01:00 - [39] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Calling BS. The current interactions between swarms and ALL dropships is unbalanced, skewed in dropship pilots favor of being to easy to evade swarms. But that does not make the ADS are not OP. Standard dropships require a second person to be able to kill people though. The nature that it requires teamwork to use effectively means it's justifiable that it requires teamwork to bring down. I am actually happy with standard dropships being fairly tanky and difficult to remove from the field. They require coordination to use. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 265	Posted - 2014.09.23 05:21:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: medomai grey wrote: Calling BS. The current interactions between swarms and ALL dropships is unbalanced, skewed in dropship pilots favor of being to easy to evade swarms. But that does not make the ADS are not OP. Standard dropships require a second person to be able to kill people though. The nature that it requires teamwork to use effectively means it's justifiable that it requires teamwork to bring down. I am actually happy with standard dropships being fairly tanky and difficult to remove from the field. They require coordination to use. smart stuff ^^

Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:21:00 - [41] - Quote The devs should collect data on how many turrets destroy ads pilots now before considering such nerfs. People in pubs whining should not have a say. If you don't play pc you shouldn't post.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3540	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:38:00 - [42] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: The devs should collect data on how many turrets destroy ads pilots now before considering such nerfs. People in pubs whining should not have a say. If you don't play pc you shouldn't post. The forums would be dead then. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1729	Posted - 2014.09.23 15:14:00 - [43] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: The devs should collect data on how many turrets destroy ads pilots now before considering such nerfs. People in pubs whining should not have a say. If you don't play pc you shouldn't post. I play pc all the time, why right now I am debating playing Starcraft 2 or Path of Exile.... hummm decisions. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
REDBACK96USMC Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2014.09.23 15:38:00 - [44] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? Will I get a respec for the fire rate I spec'd into or am I just stuck with a turd? How is it fair to Nerf it so hard instead of buffing av to be able to deal with it. I spec'd into 50% fire rate and nice afterburners. You better be coming out with better vehicles if you don't give respecs. Your money paying costumer Demanded Moores Hey now you know how we felt about the Nerf Bat to the Tanks. At least your nerf is to correct an issue that was never supposed to happen in the first place (stacking). Hell I cant do more than scare a newbie ADS away in my Comm. Mk.0 and god forbid I even try using it in PC. It is useless. Breach Forge to the engines? Just afterburn out of range before I can even get the second shot ready to go. I am surprised you are complaining about this.
REDBACK96USMC Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2014.09.23 15:43:00 - [45] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Kosakai wrote: is this CPM drunk? I can confirm I am not drunk. I actually don't drink. I can no longer support you or your views. Thank you. [Beer]
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:12:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: The devs should collect data on how many turrets destroy ads pilots now before considering such nerfs. People in pubs whining should not have a say. If you don't play pc you shouldn't post. The forums would be dead then. so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3361	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:17:00 - [47] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs. I'm 99% certain he didn't say that at all. I'm just as certain you just shoved a bunch of words in his mouth. PC isn't relevant to Dust 514 really. It's only claim-to-fame was being an ISK printing machine for a few months. Faction warfare and public contracts entertain a much higher percentage of the player population. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:20:00 - [48] - Quote So how is that fair to people who want to get into them? When corps have maxed wallets and don't have to worry. The game should be balanced from pc down.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:25:00 - [49] - Quote And this could be because they can't afford to do pc. Making it to where the game is balanced and broken through pub players whining because they can't shoot a forge or understand that it will never matter if you shoot down or just run off an ads because in a real fight they will just call another in its just as good to make them fly away as kill them.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3544	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:57:00 - [50] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs. Pack pricing is actually based around the number of clones. It has to be, because the number of clones also determine how much is paid out at the end of a match. If you lower the pack price below the going rate for the number of clones, it becomes exploitable to generate ISK through district locking. The pricing sucks, but it's required to prevent abuse. Planetary Conquest, as a game mode, is a lost cause. The real issue is that the cost of entry (clones), the cost of match payout (clones), and the cost of passive generation (clones) are all the same source, and it causes a lot of problems. I think the reality is, there is no way to fix PC. It needs to be redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up. And that isn't likely to happen in DUST. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:17:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs. Pack pricing is actually based around the number of clones. It has to be, because the number of clones also determine how much is paid out at the end of a match. If you lower the pack price below the going rate for the number of clones, it becomes exploitable to generate ISK through district locking. The pricing sucks, but it's required to prevent abuse. Planetary Conquest, as a game mode, is a lost cause. The real issue is that the cost of entry (clones), the cost of match payout (clones), and the cost of passive generation (clones) are all the same source, and it causes a lot of problems. I think the reality is, there is no way to fix PC. It needs to be redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up. And that isn't likely to happen in DUST. look I'm not trying to be a **** anymore but why does it matter when all these corps have maxed wallets anyways. Other corps should have a chance to get into pc. Why can't you make payout a set price and work on pc instead of just calling it a lost cause. Myself and many others have grinded too long and too hard to be told we can't have the fool game in a balanced form.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 20:40:00 - [52] - Quote Also I forgot to mention that with an alt corp you can still farm anyways you can't stop the farming. Two districts two tags.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 434	Posted - 2014.09.23 20:51:00 - [53] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: So how is that fair to people who want to get into them? When corps have maxed wallets and don't have to worry. The game should be balanced from pc down. Why would you balance around the minority rather than the majority? In order to balance something you have to analyse a lot of data and make a decision based on that data. You cant go and say ' my ADS dies in a PC match so it isnt OP ' because in a PC match it is usually 16 people in full proto killing each other. When someone sees you in that ADS they get the guys who have specced into the AV equipment or an ADS to kill you and they wont stop until you die.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:02:00 - [54] - Quote Why should the point of the game not be to get these people in pc and why wouldn't you balance proto to proto of course I can kill militia and basic with no problem. the goal should be to get these people interested in pc. the point was never to be a pub stompers r' us game.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:08:00 - [55] - Quote You basically said pc was balanced well enough ty. So don't change it because blueberries don't have team work.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 434	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:10:00 - [56] - Quote Im not saying that people shouldnt play PC. you cant balance around PC because of the fact its all proto. It doesnt take into account how standard and advance gear performs because no one uses it.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:18:00 - [57] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Im not saying that people shouldnt play PC. you cant balance around PC because of the fact its all proto. It doesnt take into account how standard and advance gear performs because no one uses it. You can balance proto to proto in pc, then step away and balance the std and advance accordingly what are you talking about. It would be a much more balanced game using the proto as constants.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3551	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:20:00 - [58] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs. Pack pricing is actually based around the number of clones. It has to be, because the number of clones also determine how much is paid out at the end of a match. If you lower the pack price below the going rate for the number of clones, it becomes exploitable to generate ISK through district locking. The pricing sucks, but it's required to prevent abuse. Planetary Conquest, as a game mode, is a lost cause. The real issue is that the cost of entry (clones), the cost of match payout (clones), and the cost of passive generation (clones) are all the same source, and it causes a lot of problems. I think the reality is, there is no way to fix PC. It needs to be redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up. And that isn't likely to happen in DUST. look I'm not trying to be a **** anymore but why does it matter when all these corps have maxed wallets anyways. Other corps should have a chance to get into pc. Why can't you make payout a set price and work on pc instead of just calling it a lost cause. Myself and many others have grinded too long and too hard to be told we can't have the fool game in a balanced form. Primarily because it'd be better if those ISK stockpiles ran down heavily, so gameplay got more balanced and there was less rampant protostomping. Though matchmaking changes have done a great job combatting this as well. It would be better to remove PC entirely than make it possible to profit from ISK farming in PC again. It's that bad. And that unfixable. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
P14GU3 GoD Killahs 890	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:28:00 - [59] - Quote Ads are only easy to take down with a forge if a. they are not using and AB or b. they are terribad pilots. I am prof 4 on forge guns and it still takes 3 shots to down a ADS with proto AFG. The breach can do it in two. Any decent pilot will gtfo before the third AFG shot hits. The breach may catch a good pilot off guard now and then. For those who are saying "oh pubs" can gtfo out too. ADS still dominate PCs. Have for quite a while... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:29:00 - [60] - Quote The point is they own districts so they can switch tags, move clones, and farm isk. You can not run down op corp isk grinding your argument is invalid. Ns, oh, any top ten corp probably does this.



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