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P14GU3 wrote:

Demandred Moores wrote:

P14GU3 wrote:

Ads are only easy to take down with a forge if a. they are not using and AB or b. they are terribad pilots. I am prof 4 on forge guns and it still takes 3 shots to down a ADS with proto AFG. The breach can do it in two. Any decent pilot will gtfo before the third AFG shot hits. The breach may catch a good pilot off guard now and then. For those who are saying "oh pubs" can gtfo out too. ADS still dominate PCs. Have for quite a while...

Player operated vehicle two forge gunners is fair to take them down you suit is 1/3rd the sp and isk try using two guys in pc you will dominate.

1/3 the price? The forge gun alone is 1/3 of the price. Add in suit and mods and you are damn near the cost of the DS. Multiply that by two for a second FGer and the cost to drop an ADS is way more than an ADS costs. Plus there is now one extra infantry on the ADS team who can shoot at forge gunners or take points or whatever. Im not saying ADS cant be dropped, im saying the investment to do so is too high


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Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:29:00 - [1] - Quote Why are you nerfing the ads so hard and buffing av? Will I get a respec for the fire rate I spec'd into or am I just stuck with a turd? How is it fair to Neff it so hard instead of buffing av to be able to deal with it. I spec'd into 50% fire rate and nice afterburners. You better be coming out with better vehicles if you don't give respecs. You money paying costumer Demanded Moores
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:44:00 - [2] - Quote If they took it one thing at a time I might not be so butt hurt. I play infantry also about 41m sp and I spent it on specific things. Why should I be needed instead of av getting buffed better? This isn't a healthy way to develop a game and keep a fan base. Not saying I'm leaving.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:58:00 - [3] - Quote No 3m tanks now days the was probably before 1.6. But how can you strip me of so many things I spec into mr. Dev. I can name so many players that hate how you Nerf instead of buffing and won't be following you to legion.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:29:00 - [4] - Quote I agree it is op but this is too much at once and very unfair to people that grinned months for the sp. More than a 50% hit to what I spec'd into.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:49:00 - [5] - Quote There is a reason over half the community has left the game, ccp does not reward hard work and patience. I for one will not be interested in any future projects and I wish everyone else luck who moves to legion and Valkery or however you b spell it.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:03:00 - [6] - Quote Yes they are op now yes they will be usable. I was speaking of how long it took to get that sp not how easy it is to farm kills. But this is not all they nerfed out of the 40m+ sp I have. This is just how I feel about it, I simply don't like how they treat people with mass amounts of locked in sp. I believe these things should be taken in steps. One month they want to buff the python then they want to Nerf it and buff av. I Shouldn't be able to get 60 kills so easily but if you didn't realize the turrets are very much improved and on certain maps can now make it really difficult against exp. players. I simply just think it's too much at once and that 25%-30% fire rate would be enough of a Nerf making me feel 3m sp wasn't wasted there. 15% is nothing.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:07:00 - [7] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: I've still never seen an ADS drop because of AV and last I saw they are still slaughtering every match I'm in Have you played pc? I get my ads stolen in a bush and I drop it myself with swarms and help from a forge friend. Go play with ns they'll show you how. My corp destroys ads pilots.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:47:00 - [8] - Quote I am not fotm chaser I was first mko assault and have been since, mko sct a few other suits I was talking about grenades, tar, and several other things dont twist my words please.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:51:00 - [9] - Quote Dust User wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't think ADS are OP at all. This is a case of trying to balance things in pubs, where there are droves of idiots not pulling out AV. Agreed. ADS were fine. Sure they seem OP when nobody is shooting at them. All it takes is one decent forge and ADS aren't a threat. Thank you I was waiting on you to post keq. Gg in that pc last night too progress has been amazing in pc since our leadership change.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:13:00 - [10] - Quote My personal experience has me more frustrated with swarms than forges. Yes it is hard to take out an ads but it's much harder to fight someone with swarms because they don't miss. A forge is a contest of skill where you can actually fly around and fight the forge gunner making him miss depending on who is better. Swarms are a no skill weapon and auto lock makes it impossible to stay in the area. It seems that is more than fair and balanced but this buff will do nothing as I'll just pull out two hardners and tick you off when you only hit for like 200 damage.

Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:37:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: It seems that is more than fair and balanced but this buff will do nothing as I'll just pull out two hardners and tick you off when you only hit for like 200 damage. I approve of this message and/or service. This is what we call "adapting to adversity." Good luck with this plan when I start ripping off the Plasma cannon on you I love the plasma cannon. I won't even be mad and hope to see it take out ads. As it stands it's an excellent scout killer and I love using it lol. Glad for the buff on it.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:07:00 - [12] - Quote I have proto tanks and I destroy ads use some damage mods man.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 22	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:33:00 - [13] - Quote So can anyone tell me if pythons are getting the same hp buff as myrons?
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:21:00 - [14] - Quote The devs should collect data on how many turrets destroy ads pilots now before considering such nerfs. People in pubs whining should not have a say. If you don't play pc you shouldn't post.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:12:00 - [15] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: The devs should collect data on how many turrets destroy ads pilots now before considering such nerfs. People in pubs whining should not have a say. If you don't play pc you shouldn't post. The forums would be dead then. so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:20:00 - [16] - Quote So how is that fair to people who want to get into them? When corps have maxed wallets and don't have to worry. The game should be balanced from pc down.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:25:00 - [17] - Quote And this could be because they can't afford to do pc. Making it to where the game is balanced and broken through pub players whining because they can't shoot a forge or understand that it will never matter if you shoot down or just run off an ads because in a real fight they will just call another in its just as good to make them fly away as kill them.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:17:00 - [18] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: so you admit then that ppl don't play enough pc and you need to make it so that corps can afford to throw packs and get ppl in. Instead of balancing around pub whiners. Ty for letting ppl know the devs further killed pc with 50m packs. Pack pricing is actually based around the number of clones. It has to be, because the number of clones also determine how much is paid out at the end of a match. If you lower the pack price below the going rate for the number of clones, it becomes exploitable to generate ISK through district locking. The pricing sucks, but it's required to prevent abuse. Planetary Conquest, as a game mode, is a lost cause. The real issue is that the cost of entry (clones), the cost of match payout (clones), and the cost of passive generation (clones) are all the same source, and it causes a lot of problems. I think the reality is, there is no way to fix PC. It needs to be redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up. And that isn't likely to happen in DUST. look I'm not trying to be a **** anymore but why does it matter when all these corps have maxed wallets anyways. Other corps should have a chance to get into pc. Why can't you make payout a set price and work on pc instead of just calling it a lost cause. Myself and many others have grinded too long and too hard to be told we can't have the fool game in a balanced form.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 20:40:00 - [19] - Quote Also I forgot to mention that with an alt corp you can still farm anyways you can't stop the farming. Two districts two tags.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:02:00 - [20] - Quote Why should the point of the game not be to get these people in pc and why wouldn't you balance proto to proto of course I can kill militia and basic with no problem. the goal should be to get these people interested in pc. the point was never to be a pub stompers r' us game.

Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:08:00 - [21] - Quote You basically said pc was balanced well enough ty. So don't change it because blueberries don't have team work.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:18:00 - [22] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Im not saying that people shouldnt play PC. you cant balance around PC because of the fact its all proto. It doesnt take into account how standard and advance gear performs because no one uses it. You can balance proto to proto in pc, then step away and balance the std and advance accordingly what are you talking about. It would be a much more balanced game using the proto as constants.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:29:00 - [23] - Quote The point is they own districts so they can switch tags, move clones, and farm isk. You can not run down op corp isk grinding your argument is invalid. Ns, oh, any top ten corp probably does this.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:33:00 - [24] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Ads are only easy to take down with a forge if a. they are not using and AB or b. they are terribad pilots. I am prof 4 on forge guns and it still takes 3 shots to down a ADS with proto AFG. The breach can do it in two. Any decent pilot will gtfo before the third AFG shot hits. The breach may catch a good pilot off guard now and then. For those who are saying "oh pubs" can gtfo out too. ADS still dominate PCs. Have for quite a while... Player operated vehicle two forge gunners is fair to take them down you suit is 1/3rd the sp and isk try using two guys in pc you will dominate.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:46:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: The point is they own districts so they can switch tags, move clones, and farm isk. You can not run down op corp isk grinding your argument is invalid. Ns, oh, any top ten corp probably does this. No, that's what becomes profitable if you drop the clone pack price. Right now, you can do that, but you lose money. What you're complaining about, is the system that prevents that. No you move clones to the other district that you switched tags on... no isk needed that was my point. Read carefully good sir.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.09.25 00:44:00 - [26] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Ads are only easy to take down with a forge if a. they are not using and AB or b. they are terribad pilots. I am prof 4 on forge guns and it still takes 3 shots to down a ADS with proto AFG. The breach can do it in two. Any decent pilot will gtfo before the third AFG shot hits. The breach may catch a good pilot off guard now and then. For those who are saying "oh pubs" can gtfo out too. ADS still dominate PCs. Have for quite a while... Player operated vehicle two forge gunners is fair to take them down you suit is 1/3rd the sp and isk try using two guys in pc you will dominate. 1/3 the price? The forge gun alone is 1/3 of the price. Add in suit and mods and you are damn near the cost of the DS. Multiply that by two for a second FGer and the cost to drop an ADS is way more than an ADS costs. Plus there is now one extra infantry on the ADS team who can shoot at forge gunners or take points or whatever. Im not saying ADS cant be dropped, im saying the investment to do so is too high Yes your forge before thus update was one third the price of my 1m triple XT python are you serious? You sir need to do research. I see why you are in a corp that was just made and ran by smokie lmfao.