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Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 526	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:26:00 - [1] - Quote What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2366	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:32:00 - [2] - Quote In the current Environment of DUST, solo is best done if you yourself have a scout suit with precision and dampeners... Assaults and others need to stay in small fire teams, otherwise you're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2032	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:33:00 - [3] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? Liquor works. Otherwise, don't play Legion if it comes out. Protest CCP's stupid decisions for gameplay. Help keep the out in scout. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1513	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:59:00 - [4] - Quote Run a heavy that can tank the first shot, then turn around and shoot them in the face. Either that, or find a squad/group of blueberries, and stick together. If you are alone, you are easy game.
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 12	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:07:00 - [5] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? Assuming you survive the first hit, jump to the side. That will buy you a short amount of time to quickly turn around. Now the hard part - your weapon needs to be something that can kill the scout quickly. Bolt pistols / SCP's work very well. Assault weapons can work, but the kick seems to always throw me off, with the scout still having a sliver of health. YMMV .....best of luck.
Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 526	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:10:00 - [6] - Quote Sorry just venting my frustration on you all, I guess I know the answer to my problem already. I'm just sick of these bloody scouts killing me. Don't get me wrong, I kill my fair share of scouts but like I say, most of my deaths occur from cloaked scouts and shot gun.
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:24:00 - [7] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Sorry just venting my frustration on you all, I guess I know the answer to my problem already. I'm just sick of these bloody scouts killing me. Don't get me wrong, I kill my fair share of scouts but like I say, most of my deaths occur from cloaked scouts and shot gun. As a scout (I run without a cloak) - I can tell you that in most cases my kills occur due to my dampening (ie - I am not on your TAC). The cloaked scouts are a problem if your running headlong into them and not paying attention . In all likelyhood, they probably would be dampened to you and would have shot you anyway if you were facing the other way. The only real answer is to run with a group. Else, become a scout , and get the necessary modules to be able to see the enemy scouts.
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 309	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:56:00 - [8] - Quote they aren't many fully dampened shotty's left (i'm one of them), put on 2 complex precision helped my amarr assault alot. "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 4113	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:05:00 - [9] - Quote Get yourself a scout suit to stay hidden so you both run around in circles like clueless fools or stay in a group to avoid beeing murdered. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4912	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:46:00 - [10] - Quote 1. Stick with friendlies. 2. Improve your reaction speed. 3. Practice sidestep / counter strafe. 4. Periodically check your six. 5. Know flanking routes. Most well-fit MedFrames now get a free pass when hit in the back with a Shotgun. When hit, always hop away from your attacker. Simply jumping will move you beyond his 5m optimal while tossing his aim and/or breaking hit detection ... which means you have lots of time to respond and kill the guy who flanked you. Or go Heavy. Where MedFrames get 1 free pass, Heavies get 2 or 3. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 331	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:54:00 - [11] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: they aren't many fully dampened shotty's left (i'm one of them), put on 2 complex precision helped my amarr assault alot. I ran two complex precision mods, but maybe I'm doing it wrong because I picked guys up random and too late?! Maybe one range amp will help, but on gal assault that putting you at cal assault ranges. I need to rock my reps, speed, and armor mods instead?! I've found that running with a Amarr scout with precision helps me find targets. Then the two complex precision mods would serve me better, but solo your still gonna get ganked. It is a good idea though. o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4915	Posted - 2014.09.16 19:13:00 - [12] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: they aren't many fully dampened shotty's left (i'm one of them), put on 2 complex precision helped my amarr assault alot. I ran two complex precision mods, but maybe I'm doing it wrong because I picked guys up random and too late?! Maybe one range amp will help, but on gal assault that putting you at cal assault ranges. I need to rock my reps, speed, and armor mods instead?! I've found that running with a Amarr scout with precision helps me find targets. Then the two complex precision mods would serve me better, but solo your still gonna get ganked. It is a good idea though. o7 Precision Enhancers on an Assault generally won't help you sniff out Scouts. You're better off running shields. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1425	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:06:00 - [13] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? stack some armor plates on a amarr assault with triple damage mods and a proto scrambler rifle. walk around in the open like a tard and let the poor scout shoot you in the back once. then proceed to turn around and melt his face off Nightmare on Elm street style. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3622	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:50:00 - [14] - Quote Most games don't even give you the chance to turn around when you take one shotgun round. Just saying. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2369	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:51:00 - [15] - Quote Spademan wrote: Most games don't even give you the chance to turn around when you take one shotgun round. Just saying. Lovingly strokes his 250 RPM Auto-Shotty in Phantoms Yuuuuup... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Y-BLOCK BioCyberDevelopment 16	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:12:00 - [16] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? First off, which assault drop do you run? I also run assault, particularly caldari & amaar. Caldari, I focus on shield & regeneration as this is it's strength. Amaar, simply just armor as this is it's strength. Dont get frustrated, dying is a part of this game. To deal with shotty scouts, cloaked or not, I rely, if not on my rader, then my ears. I usually hear the footsteps or decloaking sound just miliseconds before they fire, which is enough time for me to turn around & engage. Also if I suspect a cloaked scout in the area, I will look around from the hipfire view so that my sights turn red when they cross paths with the scout, even if I cant see him. This works particularly well if you know they are around trying to the jump on you. Back to using your ears..now I play with a dolby 5.1 surround sound set up cranked up. If you dont have a surround setup, then invest in a decent pair of headphones, Im telling you your clone will thank you! ....stupid shotty scouts!! Now that You've Tasted my Mutton.. How do you Like it!?!
Foehammerr OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 49	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:22:00 - [17] - Quote Honestly, this wouldn't be near as big of an issue if there was more encouragement to use racial parity and use the other racial Short range weapons on the scouts. *Rangers Lead The Way!* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 17	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:50:00 - [18] - Quote Honestly i dont know, i basicaly hate this implement. Oneshot from nothing is in my view really cheap. Try to be really perceptive about your enviroment around and dont scope too much. Thats only way, but still if you have some invisibles speedy gonyales with shotie its just really big possibility you will die. And pray for no lag. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 365	Posted - 2014.09.16 22:10:00 - [19] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? Most of the time you can detect them early if you have AScout/GLogi in your squad. If you playing solo it is harder, easiest way is to be extremely cautious about searching spots where scouts can waiting for you in cloak - they have to get you in close so for example: keeping away from building corners is good advise, tracking all spots with your aim-cross as well is good to because as soon as you will target scout your aim will appear red as 'there is something hostile' there. Best way to avoid scouts is to stick to the group and avoid close quarters. DS3 aim-assist is set 'on' on cloaked targets, so sometimes you may not see terget but interfae will tell you that there is something as well. If Scout will made decision to attack you, he will probably made mistake by hold his cloak to the last second. It's bad for him because de-cloak sound comes always before his ability to fire gun. If you are cautious on what you can hear in game, you can hear his de-cloak sound and by fast maneuver you can trick his DS3 aim-assist - that moment give you even chances with cloaker.. brick tank and you are on wining side - scout need at least 3 shots to kill you, and it is not easy when target know that you(scout) is there. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 17	Posted - 2014.09.16 22:19:00 - [20] - Quote Wait what decloak sound, everytime if im shooted by shotiescout there is not decloak sound, just shot. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."

Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 308	Posted - 2014.09.16 22:27:00 - [21] - Quote Situational awareness is key, you can hear them decloak or running up on you if your ears are good, check your six a lot, stick with the pack, and other things people have said on here are good advice. One tidbit that got missed though, and this is the easiest way to learn to counter something, PLAY AS IT! I don't mean go all in n waste your sp, but make an alt n build it towards it, or use a mlt light suit, throw a mlt damp or two on it and it'd be good enough for most pubs. You'll learn the routes they'd take to try to get to certain areas, so you know to check those spots as you walk by rather than just blindly going, thinking nothing can get to that area. As soon as you start to understand the playstyle better, you'll learn a good bit. what i think of when charging fg
Joel II X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3444	Posted - 2014.09.16 22:30:00 - [22] - Quote Stack armor. Chances are you're golden if you have 800ish armor. I went up against a slayer logi earlier today and he kept killing me with his Kal RR.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2337	Posted - 2014.09.17 00:12:00 - [23] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? The flying pirouette is possibly the most frustrating and deadly maneuver a SG scout will have to deal with. Sprint forward and jump while turning backwards, and spray and pray like your life depends on it while continuing to backpedal and jump back and forth. Its difficult to hit people in CQC with the SG, so movement will work to your benefit, as well as having a high RoF weapon with you. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 526	Posted - 2014.09.17 00:25:00 - [24] - Quote Wow didn't expect such well thought out detailed posts of good advice to take over this thread, thanks very much for taking the time to post, much appreciated!
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1232	Posted - 2014.09.17 02:45:00 - [25] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Wait what decloak sound, everytime if im shooted by shotiescout there is not decloak sound, just shot. like the sound you make when you spawn in AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 932	Posted - 2014.09.17 03:06:00 - [26] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? Delay after decloak. check my signature. Please support fair play!
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1428	Posted - 2014.09.17 05:07:00 - [27] - Quote From running assault for so long i have developed a sense for scouts. by far the biggest key is never run in one direction for to long. a scout likes to get behind you so if your all ways turning and being unpredictable in the way you move they have a hard time attacking you without being seen. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 990	Posted - 2014.09.17 06:34:00 - [28] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: What do I need to do to survive an encounter with a shot gun scout who gets the drop on me? Most of my deaths these days come by way of shot gun to the back at which point I turn around to be shot from the front resulting in my death, as an assault I don't see the cloaked scout until it's to late, what evasive maneuvers should I take? I've tried running backwards shooting, strafing, running away, stepping sideways, jumping at them, nothing works, the shotgun seems to be glued to my head once they get close enough. what my doing wrong, why am I such an easy target? There is only one way to not get killed by shotgun scouts. COMMIT SUICIDE UNTIL CLONE RESERVES DEPLETED. If that does not work for you be happy with killing the ****** scouts before the good scouts kill you.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9418	Posted - 2014.09.17 06:44:00 - [29] - Quote The general consensus for assault players is to stick with the group. Since cloaks generate a shimmer, one of the players in the group will likely spot the cloaky before it gets a chance to shoot off its shotgun. Also, dark areas make cloaky scouts very visible because the blue shimmer contrasts heavily with the dark background if they are moving at all. If they are not moving, pass your reticule over the area to see if it turns red. If it does, shoot. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 222	Posted - 2014.09.17 07:15:00 - [30] - Quote In addition to other suggestions, aim assist works on cloaked targets so watch for any resistance as you pass your reticule over them. I get most of my scout kills after they have just dropped a nearby teammate. First you hear a shotgun blast, turn round to see a scout kill your friend, fill scout with lead (or whatever), revive teammate. Yes it is quite easy for a shotgun scout to get a kill. It is not easy for them to escape after and prevent revives. As long as people stick together. This is why I find a logi suit the best scout counter, even if I die very easily to them.



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