What value?
HTFU? I'd say devising a method to circumvent the OP tanks of what was 1.8 follows this one?
Don't fly what you can't afford? Works here again.
Welcome to New Eden MF! I'd say this almost perfectly describes the JLAV.

Also which appears more immersion breaking out of the following options.

An Immortal Mercenary sacrificing himself in giant ball of death to eliminate a tank?
OR
A tank out running Missiles and Jeeps?
OR
Infantry units standing in the open 'chop-strafing' against each other?

One person running a tank is just as believable as one jerkass in a pod controlling, micromanagingvand operating every fubction on a seventeen kilometer titan while navigating it, firing the guns simultaneoudly while dropping a doomsdat on the second dreadnought that just jumped in and locked into siege mode. Comparatively running a tank would be trivial. Jump in, jack into the interface, light the reactor plant and go.

The tech for neural interfacing is part of the lore. Thats why you can have the driver be the primary gunner. Secondary gunners exist because humans can only multitask so much in an FPS. In EVE lore excep for cursory functionality the crew is largely extraneous once the shooting starts. And none of those crew are players.

@ True

I agree with your perspective overall. It seems balanced and reasonable. It assumes that there should be a role for both tanks AND AV.

However, I do not agree with the perspective of the OP that tanks are weak and need to be made stronger, and that AV is just too tough.

I would much rather see a thread that addresses the real issues instead of pretending that poor old tankers need a buffing to contend with the mean old AV.

The pod facilitates all of that and while the pod might be able to fit into an HAV, what about everything that allows the pod to interface with the ship proper?

I'd imagine that there is a whole lot of stuff outside the pod but still inside the ship that allows the pod to perform its technomancy.

In fact, I'd argue that the HAV is prohibitively small for pod tech to work.

AV is.... or was pretty punchy when I left the game..... personally I am more for single shot high alpha AV (MOAR ROCKETRY/ Stinger type weapons)...... while I do appreciate DPS AV has its role...... I just don't see the point of it when alpha trumps it all.

Tbh I just want to see a tank that is a tank. Not these skeet shooting light assault platforms that we have now.

What is the purpose of a tank? To carry ordinance and other weapons bigger and more devastating than any weapon infantry mean to operate while remaining mobile. What is the side effects of a such a weapons system. Mass, time to target, inability to target small mobile units, etc.

What we have now are not tanks.

@ True

I agree with your perspective overall. It seems balanced and reasonable. It assumes that there should be a role for both tanks AND AV.

However, I do not agree with the perspective of the OP that tanks are weak and need to be made stronger, and that AV is just too tough.

I would much rather see a thread that addresses the real issues instead of pretending that poor old tankers need a buffing to contend with the mean old AV.

Mean old AV wants Chromosome AV/V with marauders again. I swear to God popping tanks was fun. Someone dropped a Mad and I'd go berserk till I killed it, popping militia tanks and poorly fit mid-grade tanks like after-dinner mints while hunting the real prize: A Marauder with a pilot with higher-than-lukewarm IQ.

Armour Fitting Optimisation
Armour Repair Modules
Armour Composition
Shield Fitting Optimisation
Core Engine Management
Core Energy Distrubution

Just to name a few.
I'd be all for giving you a little more fitting power if that's what you want, provided you take a hit to some of ykur modules to ensure they aren't spammed.

That is easily half the list. But my modules have no role, nor do my vehicles. If large turrets are supposed to be AV, then small rails need a buff to make them better at AP. But small rails are apparently AV weapons. Meanwhile, Rattati says that all large turrets are to be AV, but according to him there are non-AV tanks.

This is the issue. Vehicles are just kind of... there. That's why balance is so hard, we have no purpose beyond slaying, and anything that hurts that makes our usefulness plummet.

Arguing with AV is painful but im going to do it anyways because your a piece of ****.

You listed off EVERY POSSIBLE THING you going put into an AV role. Including stupid crap like ammo compacity for side arms and the swram launcher its self, all the Ewar skills you even claimed that maxing fitting opmt for sidearm and the swarm itself is also a must? are you a noob or just stupid? (oh and lets not forget basic to adv nano hives are not enough for you you HAVE TO HAVE PROTO.)

Lol your a laugh.

Now lets just assume a tanker Puts V in everything it needs. You know what I wont even go into that because I still have 5mil SP that need to go into vehicle upgrades alone not counting command or turrets which 5mil SP is more than enough SP to win again any Vehicle using AV and still stomp and infantry and ill show you soon enough.

SO ON YOU LIFE. Do not come on here and Say 1 AV is worth 1 tank in this game or an any other because its bs and I have a feeling echo is going to be a really rude for you AV boys.

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and this was all in CCP rattati words it was far in comments of some post though so not to make people say it. I hope you like what you see Mr. Cod AVer.

(I suggest you go make a post refreshing every ones minds on tanker hate. You know you wouldn't want us having a role in the game again would you?)

R.I.P tebu gan.

These hotfixes have claimed another fine tanker.

Btw im going to like you so it messes up your gorgeous 1200

As a AVer, you know what I want?

Vehicles (all of them) to be completely redone. No half measures. No tweaking some variable or value. Rework EVERYTHING such that vehicles have an explicit role to fill, and more importantly, a reason to be fielded consistently throughout the entirety of the battle.

But, that won't happen. LAVs are trash (awful design, who makes a WAR vehicle with no protection?). HAVs are in AV/AP state of limbo. DSs at least have something that resembles a role... But meaningful inter-vehicle warfare won't happen until ALL VEHICLES ARE REDONE ENTIRELY.

*caps for borderline angry emphasis.