with the new ehp buff to installations , it takes a disturbing amount of time to destroy what is now considered the tank killer.

I'm not asking for any change to the tanks turret damage/ehp or the installations damage/ehp however maybe decrease the heat build up on rail/blaster turrets or increase the cooldown rate that way the threat of the installations can be dealt with in a reasonable amout of time.

missile turrets are getting their fix on this matter.

You are a tank. You are not meant to be invincible. You are meant to be the biggest target in the field if you want to go one man army and you die no ones problem but yourself. Jihad jeeps? So what do you recommend? Removing LAV or RE because slamming a car into a tank with a bomb on it kills everyone? You have a BFG you should be killing them before they even get close to you at least thats what I'm doing in a puny little Sica.

Rooftop campers. Those are a nuisance for everyone and the only counter is a dropship or a good sniper able to take out the uplinks do you want a mod to make your tank start flying around like its GTA:SA?

Then I guess you are a terrible tanker then.

The tanks are fine as is so long as you play with some caution. You are not meant to be invincible and just because it takes a little bit of time kill a turret doesn't mean they should lower the health and the reason CCP raised the health on turrets is to give them a little more life expectancy so that maybe infantry can use them to kill tankers without running half way across the map to a supply depot to change loadouts.

And just because you put 22 million SP into vehicles doesn't mean you should be a god. AV are meant to kill vehicles and against infantry those same people are at a disadvantage. AV are meant to keep you from running rampant over the game. If you see a forge gun blast then its time to high tail it out of the area and take cover.

Dust 514 is more then generous to you. Damage mods, armor and shield hardeners, shield boosters and an incredible shield and armor regen are your defenses and how many other games have those for you? You have near everything you could possibly want and yet you ask for more when the weapon meant to kill you succeeds.

Use caution and don't drive blindly into the enemy and you are more powerful then anything. I haven't put a single point into vehicles and with some caution I rarely have to replace anything.

Congratulations, you've spent a whooping .35m more SP than a Semi-Maxed out Swarm Launcher user does. Sadly, I'm going to redact my congrats to you, as that amount is miniscule.


A 5m SP investment is about 1/4 the investment of 22m SP, so it'd actually be:


Of course however, someone with a RR should be able to 1v1 a PRO Sentinel (or anything for that matter) if:

• The RR user is better than the Sentinel
• The Sentinel is lead into a trap by the RR user
• The Sentinel is inside the RR's Optimal Range
• The Sentinel is outside their Optimal Range

However, I do thank you for revealing your motive, which apparently seems to be removing the HAV's ability to be killed at least once a match (see above). Now, I no longer need (nor should) take you seriously.

Assuming I did in the first place, of course.

It disappoints me that this thread will never produce anything constructive, which is a shame because I'd like to see what Pilots can do when left to collaborate to themselves.

Maybe I'll get to see that someday...


As seen by my breakdown of your argument, I indeed "know wtf I'm talking about". Though if you feel as if I don't, I'd be very interested to hear why in a well layed out, and constructive manner.


As for your stance, it means nothing. You can feel whatever you want, your emotions can be whatever you wish, but it won't change the fact that (1x GëÑ 2y) is bad for gameplay, and creates a situation where X is always better than Y, leaving no reason to use X in the first place, in turn:

• Removes the purpose of X's existence.
• Removes the diversity DUST is supposed to have, as you need Y to remain competitive.

Though I challenge you, to give me one period in time (barring Uprising 1.7 - Hotfix Bravo) where HAVs, ADSs, or any vehicle couldn't be soloed by a reasonably skilled AVer.

Something I do need to point out however, is your blaring hypocrisy.
You claim that AVers shouldn't be allowed to solo you, as you have invested a large amount of SP (which is another idiotic argument), but you want to solo AVers who've invested an equal or proportional amount of SP.

"Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me". <--- Am I right?


If you're on an objective, and you're exposed, then I fail to see why you shouldn't get taken out by someone who brought a counter to your role. Perhaps if you weren't camping the objective and being stationary, you wouldn't have issues with a Swarm Launcher user.

I want "COD Mode"? Surely you can refute my arguments with more than a Strawman, right?

Why do you think that is?

I think I'm done til they actually address that making tanks AV focused only removes them from the game. Just started destiny, MUCH more fun, and the PVP isn't terribly skewed like it is with dust.

I sure hope they wise up, but I have serious doubts they will. At the very least, if they are going to ruin tanking like they intend to do, at the very least reduce the price to match infantry on vehicles. Anyways till then, see ya dust, might sign on from time to time but all the people I know have already moved on over to destiny.

That is easily half the list. But my modules have no role, nor do my vehicles. If large turrets are supposed to be AV, then small rails need a buff to make them better at AP. But small rails are apparently AV weapons. Meanwhile, Rattati says that all large turrets are to be AV, but according to him there are non-AV tanks.

This is the issue. Vehicles are just kind of... there. That's why balance is so hard, we have no purpose beyond slaying, and anything that hurts that makes our usefulness plummet.