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TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5562	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:04:00 - [1] - Quote Personally i think its just a hype for the leaders in Scotland to simply farm their own country, much like others who wanted independence. What exactly will this freedom mean if Scotland gets it?. What exactly do scottish people seriously expect to change for the better from this. And finally, do scottish people have ps3s?. That was spiffing.
Immortal John Ripper 24454	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:07:00 - [2] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Personally i think its just a hype for the leaders in Scotland to simply farm their own country, much like others who wanted independence. What exactly will this freedom mean if Scotland gets it?. What exactly do scottish people seriously expect to change for the better from this. And finally, do scottish people have ps3s?. I met a few scottish females on this game. They were kinky drunks. So yes, I assume scottish people have ps3's Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
General John Ripper 24553	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:07:00 - [3] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Personally i think its just a hype for the leaders in Scotland to simply farm their own country, much like others who wanted independence. What exactly will this freedom mean if Scotland gets it?. What exactly do scottish people seriously expect to change for the better from this. And finally, do scottish people have ps3s?. I met a few scottish females on this game. They were kinky drunks. So yes, I assume scottish people have ps3's Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17664	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:13:00 - [4] - Quote As someone who's hoping for the economy not to get screwed over, I'm hoping for a 'No' vote. Flying to new horizons.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5562	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:19:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: As someone who's hoping for the economy not to get screwed over, I'm hoping for a 'No' vote. I only ever see idiots who are in favour of segregation and separating things even more with these kinds of things. This seems like the kind of idea that was nurtured in some dingy little village local pub after about 10 pints of bitter. That was spiffing.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1128	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:24:00 - [6] - Quote I AM WILLIAM WALLACE!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17666	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:25:00 - [7] - Quote The idea of independence is quite a romantic proposition for many, though. I'd much rather we stuck together, personally. Putting aside the potential economic disaster, I've grown quite attached to the Union Jack. Flying to new horizons.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5564	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:32:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The idea of independence is quite a romantic proposition for many, though. I'd much rather we stuck together, personally. Putting aside the potential economic disaster, I've grown quite attached to the Union Jack. Yeah it's just pointless. What is the actual hope when Scotland has many issues being part of the UK as it is?. Seems dumb until i see anything that is 100% going to make things better other than hope and rhetoric. That was spiffing.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5855	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:31:00 - [9] - Quote I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17709	Posted - 2014.09.13 22:08:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. Flying to new horizons.

Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 216	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:34:00 - [11] - Quote im hoping for a yes vote lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 542	Posted - 2014.09.14 01:13:00 - [12] - Quote Boy, I hate being Half-English Half-Scottish. No. I honestly just see a self-dependent Scotland being all great and good till it goes bust and comes crying to David Cameron to be part of the UK again. I also dont fancy having to go through airport style check-ins everytime I get a train from London to Glasgow. Or passport checks on the A1. Before Non-Brits get confused, simply no. My Scottish family agrees. The only person in Dust stupid enough to Proto every single god-damn weapon. 19/19.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5615	Posted - 2014.09.14 03:17:00 - [13] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: Boy, I hate being Half-English Half-Scottish. No. I honestly just see a self-dependent Scotland being all great and good till it goes bust and comes crying to David Cameron to be part of the UK again. I also dont fancy having to go through airport style check-ins everytime I get a train from London to Glasgow. Or passport checks on the A1. Before Non-Brits get confused, simply no. My Scottish family agrees. Yeah. I'm British and i don't want it simply because of what you said, why ruin the unity we have?. No one wants to see a country begging like some slag and especially if it is one that is considered part of the same country by most. The idea of freedom is nice but what it actually would mean is a pile of sht. Every time a country gains freedom, it gets farmed by those at the top. I have seen people saying stupid sht like 'we will get the oil reserves and it will make Scotland wealthy', this is complete crap as the oil is owned by BP which is a corporation, not a country. Scotland won't get any of that oil and nothing will change, business will be as usual for BP regardless. Aargh, i can see so much crap coming from this. 5.295 million (as of 2011) people is just not enough for borrowing confidence and it was Scotland's own king who inherited England who united both countries in the first place. That was spiffing.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1132	Posted - 2014.09.14 13:51:00 - [14] - Quote I do not have a pony in this race, but I am curious as to what the ramifications of an independent Scotland would be. If the vote is yes, would that inspire Wales and Northern Ireland to do the same?
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3591	Posted - 2014.09.14 13:52:00 - [15] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I do not have a pony in this race, but I am curious as to what the ramifications of an independent Scotland would be. If the vote is yes, would that inspire Wales and Northern Ireland to do the same? I don't know about Wales, but Northern Ireland is the interesting one to me. One of their reasons for being in the union includes their ties to Scotland. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1821	Posted - 2014.09.14 15:53:00 - [16] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I do not have a pony in this race, but I am curious as to what the ramifications of an independent Scotland would be. If the vote is yes, would that inspire Wales and Northern Ireland to do the same? Wales - it is highly integrated with England economically and socially, and support for independence is at very low levels. NI - far less integrated and there is significant support for leaving the UK. Nevertheless there will remain a unionist majority who favour remaining part of the UK, whether Scotland is in it or not.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1821	Posted - 2014.09.14 15:56:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting.
Immortal John Ripper 24573	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:26:00 - [18] - Quote How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5634	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting. I hate to sound like some tw@ but i don't consider the UK as a massive population and it isn't. Now lets look at Scotland, maybe 6 million people now? (5.295 million as of 2011). what country is going to have confidence with lending or anything at all with a country that is so small?, as if the UK wasn't a tiny fking islannd already eh?, lol. I mean, fk me, Scotland won't even have the population to even bullsht that they can pay back what they lend lol. Scotland will AT LEAST be going through a very long and painful transition that will last years, i hope the people understand what they are ACTUALLY getting when tax goes up and all the niceties now cost considerable money. It's a nice notion and my hat goes off to it but the reality is that an independent Scotland would be very dysfunctional and 'Ne one' would want to have anything to do with them where business is concerned. Especially after the threat of not paying back any of the debt that it is liable for, morally, not legally. I'm not sure how credible the source i got that one from is. Again i keep seeing the word 'unity' in the vote, what a fking contradiction lol. That was spiffing.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5636	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:30:00 - [20] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. That was spiffing.

Immortal John Ripper 24573	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:36:00 - [21] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. I realize that. That is why I am not regurgitating the same crap I am reading here or on google. 1 morning's worth of research does not make me an expert nor would I feel like my opinion would hold much merit. Even less Merit because I am not from scotland nor am I anywhere near there. However doesn't mean it doesn't matter to me. Many people are going to be affected by this in one way or another. It is just interesting to know how they would be affected... What are the facts? why do this? what are the benefits? What are the cons? Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5637	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:39:00 - [22] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. I realize that. That is why I am not regurgitating the same crap I am reading here or on google. 1 morning's worth of research does not make me an expert nor would I feel like my opinion would hold much merit. Even less Merit because I am not from scotland nor am I anywhere near there. However doesn't mean it doesn't matter to me. Many people are going to be affected by this in one way or another. It is just interesting to know how they would be affected... What are the facts? why do this? what are the benefits? What are the cons? Too much to list and benefits maybe around 100 years down the line if they can avoid a corrupt government. This Scottish utopia idea would also be almost unable to function with the rest of the world but done right, wouldn't have to. The whole thing moves further away from the global realisation that we are all human and more towards borders and boundaries. That was spiffing.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 545	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:43:00 - [23] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting. I hate to sound like some tw@ but i don't consider the UK as a massive population and it isn't. Now lets look at Scotland, maybe 6 million people now? (5.295 million as of 2011). what country is going to have confidence with lending or anything at all with a country that is so small?, as if the UK wasn't a tiny fking islannd already eh?, lol. I mean, fk me, Scotland won't even have the population to even bullsht that they can pay back what they lend lol. Scotland will AT LEAST be going through a very long and painful transition that will last years, i hope the people understand what they are ACTUALLY getting when tax goes up and all the niceties now cost considerable money. It's a nice notion and my hat goes off to it but the reality is that an independent Scotland would be very dysfunctional and 'Ne one' would want to have anything to do with them where business is concerned. Especially after the threat of not paying back any of the debt that it is liable for, morally, not legally. I'm not sure how credible the source i got that one from is. Again i keep seeing the word 'unity' in the vote, what a fking contradiction lol. By the logic of Scotlands population being big enough to be independent, so could Greater London. Think its about 9million here now. ...at least London wouldnt go bust as fast. The only person in Dust stupid enough to Proto every single god-damn weapon. 19/19.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5637	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:47:00 - [24] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting. I hate to sound like some tw@ but i don't consider the UK as a massive population and it isn't. Now lets look at Scotland, maybe 6 million people now? (5.295 million as of 2011). what country is going to have confidence with lending or anything at all with a country that is so small?, as if the UK wasn't a tiny fking islannd already eh?, lol. I mean, fk me, Scotland won't even have the population to even bullsht that they can pay back what they lend lol. Scotland will AT LEAST be going through a very long and painful transition that will last years, i hope the people understand what they are ACTUALLY getting when tax goes up and all the niceties now cost considerable money. It's a nice notion and my hat goes off to it but the reality is that an independent Scotland would be very dysfunctional and 'Ne one' would want to have anything to do with them where business is concerned. Especially after the threat of not paying back any of the debt that it is liable for, morally, not legally. I'm not sure how credible the source i got that one from is. Again i keep seeing the word 'unity' in the vote, what a fking contradiction lol. By the logic of Scotlands population being big enough to be independent, so could Greater London. Think its about 9million here now. ...at least London wouldnt go bust as fast. Well no because the stock exchange. The UK would go bust for the most part and London would become even more swanky lol. Edit: in fact be quiet, we don't know who is watching, sssshhhhh ;) That was spiffing.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17726	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:54:00 - [25] - Quote It also seems a little wtf to me that the future can get so drastically altered by a wafer thin margin. Independence has huge consequences. What if it wins 51-49? What about the 49% who didn't want to go? Feels awkward, especially if they get screwed economically as badly as it looks like they will. Flying to new horizons.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1834	Posted - 2014.09.14 19:49:00 - [26] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. I realize that. That is why I am not regurgitating the same crap I am reading here or on google. 1 morning's worth of research does not make me an expert nor would I feel like my opinion would hold much merit. Even less Merit because I am not from scotland nor am I anywhere near there. Geography may not be an excuse for ignorance but that is just how it is. However doesn't mean it doesn't matter to me. Many people are going to be affected by this in one way or another. It is just interesting to know how they would be affected... What are the facts? why do this? what are the benefits? What are the cons? I will give some socio-economic facts Scotland has an 8.4% share of UK population. 9.3% of UK public spending is in Scotland, so it spends more -ú per head. For the latest period with published figures (2012-13) it contributed 9.1% of tax revenues, including its revenues from its geographic share of oil and gas. So Scotland received marginally more than it contributed in the last year. UK and Scottish growth are between 2.5% and 3% per year, with unemployment around 7%. This compares highly favourably with the Eurozone (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc), which has 0.1% growth and unemployment of 11.5%. The relative stability of the British -ú is one of the drivers of the Scottish economy. Scotland's economy is highly integrated with that of the rest of the UK. 70% of Scotland's exports are to the rest of the UK (rUK). Therefore, there is a great economic benefit to being in a common currency area with the rUK, as is presently the case within the UK. This benefit would probably be lost on independence (all UK parties are opposed to a currency union in the event of independence), and Scottish exporters would suffer transaction costs and reduced competitiveness in their primary market. As part of the UK, Scotland has wide access to overseas markets through organizations such as the EU and the WTO. Scottish entry to these organizations would have to be negotiated on independence. This may prove to be impossible. For instance, entry to the EU requires unanimity among current members, including the UK and Spain, which is motivated to deter its own secessionist movements. Even were Scotland to enter the EU, it would have to agree to accept the troubled Euro as its currency. The UK is presently ruled by the centre-right Conservative party. Scotland is traditionally more left-leaning. The Conservatives are hated by many in Scotland. One longstanding source of resentment is the introduction of the despised Poll Tax in Scotland in 1989, prior to its introduction elsewhere in the UK (the tax has long since been repealed). Though control over the National Health Service, along with many other public services, is devolved to the Scottish Parliament, the Scottish National Party (SNP) claim that they are threatened with privatization by the Conservatives. This claim has never really been explained. Indeed, the SNP presently control the NHS in Scotland as they have a majority in the Scottish Parliament, and have (ironically) themselves privatized parts of the health service. A big part of the appeal of independence is the (supposed) opportunity to create a 'fairer' Scotland. Again, the SNP's claim in this respect is puzzling. They have had the power to increase income tax in Scotland for many years but have never done so. Their only firm tax proposal for an independent Scotland is a reduction in corporation tax, which hardly seems like a move motivated by 'fairness'. TL;DR Reasons to stay within UK - high level of economic performance, retention of the -ú, continued EU membership, etc. Reasons to leave UK - nationalism I guess?
Man of Spade Nos Nothi 530	Posted - 2014.09.14 19:57:00 - [27] - Quote I'm just reading for the most part, but can I ask why population is a relevant factor? Totally not Spademan. That guy is a real jackass. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17731	Posted - 2014.09.14 21:11:00 - [28] - Quote Solid post, Ryme. @Spade - his point was that the UK is spending more on Scotland per head than they're spending on England per head, as well as received more from the UK than it gave to the UK. I really just don't understand why you'd want to leave the UK. 'Independence' is a romantic concept I suppose, but I just can't see any real world benefits to doing it. Flying to new horizons.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3599	Posted - 2014.09.14 21:18:00 - [29] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Solid post, Ryme. @Spade - his point was that the UK is spending more on Scotland per head than they're spending on England per head, as well as received more from the UK than it gave to the UK. Ah, per head, fair enough. Quote: I really just don't understand why you'd want to leave the UK. 'Independence' is a romantic concept I suppose, but I just can't see any real world benefits to doing it. He says to an Irishman If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave. I honestly believe Scotland can and should stake it out on their own. Am I right? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. (Tech says no.) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17732	Posted - 2014.09.14 21:23:00 - [30] - Quote Spademan wrote: If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave. But why though? Flying to new horizons.

Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3599	Posted - 2014.09.14 21:35:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spademan wrote: If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave. But why though? I'll probably get some flak for this, but it seems to me that the UK is holding them back. Renegotiations of the oil fields would have to happen (because of the whole "they're in someone elses territory now" thing, the deal over them is with the UK currently, not Scotland) so the Scots could make a fair bit from that. And there's the fisheries too. And government, the tories are in power at the moment, but few Scots actually voted for them. They're horrendously under-represented in west minister. The nukes in Scotland would(should) be gone as well, and the less nukes in the world the better off everyone will be. Finally, now that this whole thing is under way, I'd be fearful that if at this stage a no vote was cast things could get worse for Scotland. A sort of "We're going to make sure you can't try this again" kind of deal. I'm sure there's legitimate reasons to stay, but I believe that'd be the wrong decision. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17735	Posted - 2014.09.14 22:46:00 - [32] - Quote Quote: I'll probably get some flak for this, but it seems to me that the UK is holding them back. But... how? The UK is putting more money into Scotland than it's getting out - how does that equate to holding them back? Spademan wrote: Renegotiations of the oil fields would have to happen (because of the whole "they're in someone elses territory now" thing, the deal over them is with the UK currently, not Scotland) so the Scots could make a fair bit from that. And there's the fisheries too. Except this money is already going into the Scottish economy. Quote: And government, the tories are in power at the moment, but few Scots actually voted for them. They're horrendously under-represented in west minister. Indeed. That's not necessarily a reason to leave the Union, though - negotiating increased powers, as is already happening, seems like a much safer way of dealing with this. Quote: The nukes in Scotland would(should) be gone as well, and the less nukes in the world the better off everyone will be. The nuclear weapons wouldn't be disposed of. The Trident program would move base to the US. Quote: Finally, now that this whole thing is under way, I'd be fearful that if at this stage a no vote was cast things could get worse for Scotland. A sort of "We're going to make sure you can't try this again" kind of deal. This hints at the idea of the 'neverendum' - if at first you don't succeed, ask for another vote! I'm not sure how well it's going to go down either way. There's similar levels of backing for both sides at the moment. What if one side wins by a knife edge? How would pro-Unionists react to independence? I can see the nationalists being upset if they don't get it, but this is a really close thing. The idea of a 'Yes' vote is upsetting to me as a Brit. From a purely selfish viewpoint, if Scotland goes independent, I might get screwed economically as well. Just because of some pre-referendum polls, the value of the pound has already started to drop. There's been a general sell-off of British assets similar in scale to the 2008 crash. That's pretty terrifying to me as someone who would like a stable economy. With the pound, we weathered the eurozone crisis pretty well. Having another crisis does not appeal. Another reason might be for my own 'nationalist' reasons. Personally, when asked for my nationality, I say 'British' rather than 'English'. If you were to ask what flag I counted myself under, I would think of the Union Jack. It's extremely unsettling to think that the flag I've grown up with might change drastically from circumstances far beyond my control. And it's really frustrating because I can't see the benefits of it. I don't understand why people want this other than because of some romantic idea of independence. If Scotland goes, everyone loses economically in a massive administrative headache. For what, exactly? Everything I've heard from the 'Yes' campaign seems to be talking about a 'vision' for Scotland and alternates between bashing the 'No' campaign (and although that's pretty typical for politics, there's an awful lot of it going on) and talking about dreamy ideas which don't seem to have any substance. Flying to new horizons.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1840	Posted - 2014.09.14 22:52:00 - [33] - Quote Spademan wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Solid post, Ryme. @Spade - his point was that the UK is spending more on Scotland per head than they're spending on England per head, as well as received more from the UK than it gave to the UK. Ah, per head, fair enough. Quote: I really just don't understand why you'd want to leave the UK. 'Independence' is a romantic concept I suppose, but I just can't see any real world benefits to doing it. He says with an Irishman reading If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave. I honestly believe Scotland can and should stake it out on their own. Am I right? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. (Tech says no.) Of course the irish independence situation was very different, they were repressed by the british and denied basic rights. They basically had to be independent if they wanted a decent future. It was about as far different from the scottish situation - where as i mentioned, scots receive more public spending per person than the english do - as one can imagine. Of course theres also the other difference that historically the scots werent the victims of the british empire but arguably its keenest proponents and beneficiaries...
Immortal John Ripper 24587	Posted - 2014.09.14 22:55:00 - [34] - Quote Must build bridges, not walls. Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17735	Posted - 2014.09.14 23:01:00 - [35] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Of course theres also the other difference that historically the scots werent the victims of the british empire but arguably its keenest proponents and beneficiaries... It was a due to a Scottish king that the Act of Union came about in the first place. :/ Flying to new horizons.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 216	Posted - 2014.09.15 21:55:00 - [36] - Quote theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17747	Posted - 2014.09.15 22:47:00 - [37] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two *** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. Losing Scotland would actually be more of a blow to the Labour party than David Cameron's party. That's pretty annoying, given some of the ridiculous ideas about leaving the EU that've been spouted. (I'm probably going to get a bit divisive here.) It's amusing to me that the one thing that both the 'Yes' and 'No' groups agreed on was to screw UKIP-esque ideas like that. "Yes or no, UKIP has got to go" is a great chant, IMO. Quote:** since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. Well... Okay? By 'twatzs down south' do you mean everyone in the south or the politicians in particular? If it's the politicians, I wholeheartedly agree. If it's everyone, then why? It's not like the common man can do much, here. Flying to new horizons.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 216	Posted - 2014.09.15 23:58:00 - [38] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two *** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. Losing Scotland would actually be more of a blow to the Labour party than David Cameron's party. That's pretty annoying, given some of the ridiculous ideas about leaving the EU that've been spouted. (I'm probably going to get a bit divisive here.) It's amusing to me that the one thing that both the 'Yes' and 'No' groups agreed on was to screw UKIP-esque ideas like that. "Yes or no, UKIP has got to go" is a great chant, IMO. Quote:** since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. Well... Okay? By 'twatzs down south' do you mean everyone in the south or the politicians in particular? If it's the politicians, I wholeheartedly agree. If it's everyone, then why? It's not like the common man can do much, here. the conservatives, labour, lib dems and whoever else are all the same and of course i meant the politicians lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3626	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:04:00 - [39] - Quote Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5692	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:26:00 - [40] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe, iv been there, I know. Well that was spiffing!.

TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5692	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:28:00 - [41] - Quote Spademan wrote: Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best. It will most likely be for the worst but i 'hope' it won't be. So much logic and factual stuff in the vote and even in this thread has been said yet it is simply ignored for fantasy and hope........ How can you have hope when reality is ignored?.. Well that was spiffing!.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5692	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:41:00 - [42] - Quote But yeah, good luck Scotland, here's to less unity and much crawling on knees when the realisation that reality doesn't work half he way most seem to think and hope is moot without substance. So far, there has been 100% no substance but hope that i have seen. Some very well presented tosh that can be mooted very swiftly. Again. Has anyone got 100% proof and facts that can sway my mind?, i have asked far and wide and not actually seen anything. Some key points. The land owned by foreigners to be taken back - they bought it, enough said. The oil and BP - Yeah BP owns it, enough said. RBS to move to London and abandon Scotland - does this need explaining lol?. Too low a population to borrow money - No confidence in lending (not even a pipe dream would suffice to justify lending to 6 million people unless it was tiny). Looses seats and rights in important positions to be taken seriously - goodbye G5 etc, welcome to mediocrity. University and prescriptions will now cost - enough said. Tax rises - enough said. Thats only a bit of whats to come. Is all that really freedom though?. And if the world followed the same logic with some of that then we'd all be fked, all of us, you can't simply claim something that is owned and paid for. Seriously, can anyone please just fking show me something that isn't a pipe dream or some hocus pocus bullsht that will actually benefit Scotland?, some actual fking reality in the matter please. Well that was spiffing!.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3627	Posted - 2014.09.17 17:42:00 - [43] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Spademan wrote: Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best. It will most likely be for the worst but i 'hope' it won't be. So much logic and factual stuff in the vote and even in this thread has been said yet it is simply ignored for fantasy and hope........ Both sides have legitimate reasons for their stances. Likewise, both sides have people who have little logic to their thought process. Quote: How can you have hope when reality is ignored?.. I'm an optimist. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5694	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:06:00 - [44] - Quote Spademan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Spademan wrote: Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best. It will most likely be for the worst but i 'hope' it won't be. So much logic and factual stuff in the vote and even in this thread has been said yet it is simply ignored for fantasy and hope........ Both sides have legitimate reasons for their stances. Likewise, both sides have people who have little logic to their thought process. Quote: How can you have hope when reality is ignored?.. I'm an optimist. I was hoping for something there. Well that was spiffing!.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5694	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:08:00 - [45] - Quote Some actual stats or something. Some actual projectionlols at least?. Well that was spiffing!.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 218	Posted - 2014.09.17 23:04:00 - [46] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know. so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend. lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5700	Posted - 2014.09.18 12:35:00 - [47] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know. so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend. oh, and independence through self determination and segregation have nothing at all to do with one another, so try again with the personnel attacks What else am I supposed to think?. Please present me with some actual facts that show that this independence is going to do any good because so far, no one has actually presented anything and the masses of idiots regardless of location seem to be ignoring them. Much like yourself. Well that was spiffing!.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5700	Posted - 2014.09.18 12:45:00 - [48] - Quote You can't can you. Iv been speaking to loads of people who are for it and not one person can produce anything but hope and rhetoric. The one measly fact alone that RBS will leave Scotland seriously isn't enough?, how much more stupid do people want to get. Oh my god hahahahaha. Well that was spiffing!.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5700	Posted - 2014.09.18 12:56:00 - [49] - Quote [quote=TechMechMeds]But yeah, good luck Scotland, here's to less unity and much crawling on knees when the realisation that reality doesn't work half he way most seem to think and hope is moot without substance. So far, there has been 100% no substance but hope that i have seen. Some very well presented tosh that can be mooted very swiftly. Again. Has anyone got 100% proof and facts that can sway my mind?, i have asked far and wide and not actually seen anything. Some key points. The land owned by foreigners to be taken back - they bought it, enough said. The oil and BP - Yeah BP owns it, enough said. RBS to move to London and abandon Scotland - does this need explaining lol?. Too low a population to borrow money - No confidence in lending (not even a pipe dream would suffice to justify lending to 6 million people unless it was tiny). Looses seats and rights in important positions to be taken seriously - goodbye G5 etc, welcome to mediocrity. University and prescriptions will now cost - enough said. Tax rises - enough said. Thats only a bit of whats to come. Is all that really freedom though?. And if the world followed the same logic with some of that then we'd all be fked, all of us, you can't simply claim something that is owned and paid for. Seriously, can anyone please just fking show me something that isn't a pipe dream or some hocus pocus bullsht that will actually benefit Scotland?, some actual fking reality in the matter please. Well that was spiffing!.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5700	Posted - 2014.09.18 12:59:00 - [50] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: [quote=TechMechMeds]But yeah, good luck Scotland, here's to less unity and much crawling on knees when the realisation that reality doesn't work half he way most seem to think and hope is moot without substance. So far, there has been 100% no substance but hope that i have seen. Some very well presented tosh that can be mooted very swiftly. Again. Has anyone got 100% proof and facts that can sway my mind?, i have asked far and wide and not actually seen anything. Some key points. The land owned by foreigners to be taken back - they bought it, enough said. The oil and BP - Yeah BP owns it, enough said. RBS to move to London and abandon Scotland - does this need explaining lol?. Too low a population to borrow money - No confidence in lending (not even a pipe dream would suffice to justify lending to 6 million people unless it was tiny). Looses seats and rights in important positions to be taken seriously - goodbye G5 etc, welcome to mediocrity. University and prescriptions will now cost - enough said. Tax rises - enough said. Thats only a bit of whats to come. Is all that really freedom though?. And if the world followed the same logic with some of that then we'd all be fked, all of us, you can't simply claim something that is owned and paid for. Seriously, can anyone please just fking show me something that isn't a pipe dream or some hocus pocus bullsht that will actually benefit Scotland?, some actual fking reality in the matter please. Please try and dispute this with some facts, be the first to actually talk sense. Then we can move on to the fact that no one will want to do business with a country who not only blatantly wants to shoot themself in the foot, but also has too small a population for borrowing, too small for growth and has destroyed a perfectly good economic system whereby it benefits a hell of a lot and in fact will now be much worse off. Bad business is bad. Well that was spiffing!.

TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5700	Posted - 2014.09.18 13:22:00 - [51] - Quote The reason being independent will be better for you and for Scotland is simple. Being independent will mean the people who care most about Scotland GÇô the people who live in Scotland GÇô will be taking the decisions about our future. The people of Scotland have the greatest stake in making our nation a success. That means we are more likely to make the right choices for our society and our economy - and to make decisions that mean our huge wealth delivers far greater benefits for the people living here. Even David Cameron has said: GÇ£Supporters of independence will always be able to cite examples of small, independent and thriving economies across Europe such as Finland, Switzerland and Norway. It would be wrong to suggest that Scotland could not be another such successful, independent country.GÇ¥ ~ David Cameron As an independent country, taking into account all our resources, weGÇÖd be among the twenty wealthiest countries on earth - according to analysis by the Financial Times. This puts us ahead of countries such as Italy, France, the UK and Japan. With independence we can make this wealth work much better for the people living here - and that is why a Yes is so important. Precisely how each person in Scotland can benefit depends on their individual circumstances: our young families will see a huge increase in childcare provision with all three and four year olds entitled to 1,140 free hours per year; for our younger people we can use our wealth and control over our tax system to attract more employers to invest in Scotland, creating more and better local jobs. This means more opportunities for young people, closer to home, keeping families together GÇô a powerful legacy from a Yes vote; people with disabilities will see the hated Work Capability Assessments scrapped and carers will benefit from an increase to Carer's Allowance worth -ú575; for our rural communities we can bring Royal Mail back into public ownership, and ensure fair delivery charges; for hard-pressed households we can take action to tackle rising energy bills, and ensure that benefits, tax credits and the basic rate tax allowance always keep up with rising living costs; for our older people we can ensure that the state pension increases by at least 2.5%, or in line with the cost of living or earnings, as part of a GÇÿtriple-lockGÇÖ protection. And Scottish Government plans would see new pensioners receiving -ú160 per week under the single tier pension GÇô around -ú5 a week or -ú260 per year higher than as part of the UK; our businesses will benefit from economic policy being designed for Scotland; and we'll all benefit by being able to properly protect and invest in world class public services, including a quality NHS and education system, and from investing in a 'rainy day' oil fund, providing security for the future. Today, we have a government in Westminster that most of us did not vote for, and yet that government is able to take major decisions that impact on families and communities in Scotland. As an independent country we will always get the government Scotland chooses GÇô a government that will take forward policies designed to meet the needs of people in Scotland. We can elect the government we think cares most about Scotland GÇô a government that will look after the interests of people living here. That means we can choose a better path. And it means we will be able to focus 100% on making Scotland better. The future will be ours to decide. We will be able to make Scotland the country we all know it can be. Scotland is a very wealthy country - let's make it feel like it! That's the best I have found and most of that is again just hopeful rhetoric which ignores many, many things. It is also all based on self centred crap, imagine If the UK wanted what was best for it, Scotland, Wales and Ireland would be fked. I can debunk that whole list with mitigating factors that halt it all but I'll await dome replies. Hopefully someone has some kind of untouchable, 100% good reason for this 'independence' lol. Well that was spiffing!.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 218	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:32:00 - [52] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know. so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend. oh, and independence through self determination and segregation have nothing at all to do with one another, so try again with the personnel attacks What else am I supposed to think?. Please present me with some actual facts that show that this independence is going to do any good because so far, no one has actually presented anything and the masses of idiots regardless of location seem to be ignoring them. Separating from the union will indeed be........separation and economically speaking, will annex Scotland as mediocre and obscure. Also, all governments are corrupt but the UK's is actually on of the best in the world as much as I hate them myself. History has shown time and again that all governments are corrupt, what makes you think Scotland will be any better?. It proper seems like the guys are out to fk the Scottish people for a decent wage and simply fill gullible peoples heads with hopeful bullsht. Much like yourself. Again, can you present me with any facts or are you just a hopeful and sour clown?. And that was an insult soppy bollocks, not an attack. you been off your meds or something friend? show me one post of mine where im trying to fill gullible peoples minds with bullshite. ive simply stated that scotland has a great opportunity to get away from corrupt politics and politicians from parliament. it would seem to me that your the only sour clown in this thread, all you have put forward is doom and gloom and insult anyone who doesnt agree with your doom p o r n i wish the scots the best of luck regardless of what happens and if its a yes, try not to pop a blood vessel and any mistakes they make after that are theirs to make, it is free world after all is it not mr soppy bollocks :) lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5703	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:36:00 - [53] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two *** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment. since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know. so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend. oh, and independence through self determination and segregation have nothing at all to do with one another, so try again with the personnel attacks What else am I supposed to think?. Please present me with some actual facts that show that this independence is going to do any good because so far, no one has actually presented anything and the masses of idiots regardless of location seem to be ignoring them. Separating from the union will indeed be........separation and economically speaking, will annex Scotland as mediocre and obscure. Also, all governments are corrupt but the UK's is actually on of the best in the world as much as I hate them myself. History has shown time and again that all governments are corrupt, what makes you think Scotland will be any better?. It proper seems like the guys are out to fk the Scottish people for a decent wage and simply fill gullible peoples heads with hopeful bullsht. Much like yourself. Again, can you present me with any facts or are you just a hopeful and sour clown?. And that was an insult soppy bollocks, not an attack. you been off your meds or something friend? show me one post of mine where im trying to fill gullible peoples minds with bullshite. ive simply stated that scotland has a great opportunity to get away from corrupt politics and politicians from parliament. it would seem to me that your the only sour clown in this thread, all you have put forward is doom and gloom and insult anyone who doesnt agree with your doom ** i wish the scots the best of luck regardless of what happens and if its a yes, try not to pop a blood vessel and any mistakes they make after that are theirs to make, it is free world after all is it not mr soppy bollocks :) Ah so reality is doom and gloom?. So you have nothing?. I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you. Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?. Well that was spiffing!.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 218	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:46:00 - [54] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Ah so reality is doom and gloom?. So you have nothing?. I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you. Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?. no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5703	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:51:00 - [55] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ah so reality is doom and gloom?. So you have nothing?. I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you. Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?. no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing. Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?. Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?. Well that was spiffing!.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 218	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:55:00 - [56] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ah so reality is doom and gloom?. So you have nothing?. I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you. Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?. no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing. Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?. Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?. the royal bank of scotland lol is no more scottish than you or me, and who owns it? lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5703	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:59:00 - [57] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ah so reality is doom and gloom?. So you have nothing?. I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you. Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?. no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing. Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?. Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?. the royal bank of scotland lol is no more scottish than you or me, and who owns it? Of course but they will be having nothing to do with Scotland if they get their 'independence' and they are the main bank in Scotland. Well that was spiffing!.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 218	Posted - 2014.09.18 19:11:00 - [58] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ah so reality is doom and gloom?. So you have nothing?. I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you. Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?. no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing. Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?. Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?. the royal bank of scotland lol is no more scottish than you or me, and who owns it? Of course but they will be having nothing to do with Scotland if they get their 'independence' and they are the main bank in Scotland. man, the way your talking its as if the entire planet is going to ostracise scotland for daring to be independent, which could very well happen seeing how morally bankrupt most politicians are so im going to say one last thing, have a little faith baby, have a little faith lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5703	Posted - 2014.09.18 19:16:00 - [59] - Quote Because patronising is better than having a point, beats reality and surpasses definite actualities. You can stick your faith up your arse sunshine. And economically speaking, there will be zero confidence in scotland,. If you can't see that then I shouldn't have even wasted time replying yo you. Enjoy your smooth exit lol. Well that was spiffing!.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 218	Posted - 2014.09.18 19:24:00 - [60] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Because patronising is better than having a point, beats reality and surpasses definite actualities. You can stick your faith up your arse sunshine. And economically speaking, there will be zero confidence in scotland,. If you can't see that then I shouldn't have even wasted time replying yo you. Enjoy your smooth exit lol. you dont know what the word patronize means, because your the only one treating the scotish people like children by implying they wont be able to get by without the mighty uk gov to wipe their arse for them peace lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser

TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5703	Posted - 2014.09.18 19:28:00 - [61] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Because patronising is better than having a point, beats reality and surpasses definite actualities. You can stick your faith up your arse sunshine. And economically speaking, there will be zero confidence in scotland,. If you can't see that then I shouldn't have even wasted time replying yo you. Enjoy your smooth exit lol. you dont know what the word patronize means, because your the only one treating the scotish people like children by implying they wont be able to get by without the mighty uk gov to wipe their arse for them peace Not at all. You are just not looking at it objectively and not looking at the actual impact it will have. Hope and faith means fk all in these matters. Peace. Well that was spiffing!.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1904	Posted - 2014.09.19 06:18:00 - [62] - Quote 45-55. lolSalmond, git gud scrub
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17774	Posted - 2014.09.19 15:48:00 - [63] - Quote It would seem reason has triumphed. The forums have ruined me.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5719	Posted - 2014.09.19 15:55:00 - [64] - Quote Nice, im seriously glad for you guys. I couldn't give a fk about feel good political hopes, the economics don't lie and salmond is a day dreaming clown. your future is secure, thank fk. Lets say Scotland had gotten independence. You'd be fked for the next 100 years roughly, maybe longer and you'd have become dependent on other countries, so much seriously, i am very happy for my Scottish brethren, life can go on. Just remember, as much as we hate the government, its not actually as bad as people think, we have one of the best governments in the world and we can do economics like a beast. I am happy. No one likes to see a whole country go to sht. Together we are united!, together, we are strong!. DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA lol. My washed is brain 2 much, prayz jebus!. Strokes pet dog Iz need proof evolooshun exists but god iz reel!.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5719	Posted - 2014.09.19 19:26:00 - [65] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It would seem reason has triumphed. R+¼oghachd, an R+¼oghachd Aonaichte. My washed is brain 2 much, prayz jebus!. Strokes pet dog Iz need proof evolooshun exists but god iz reel!.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5865	Posted - 2014.09.19 21:25:00 - [66] - Quote Damn Scots ruined Scotland!
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1684	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:36:00 - [67] - Quote Well I can continue to travel to Scotland without a passport! I'm happy! (I know that's selfish but come on I am English, this never really meant all that much to us) -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1684	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:38:00 - [68] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Nice, im seriously glad for you guys. I couldn't give a fk about feel good political hopes, the economics don't lie and salmond is a day dreaming clown. your future is secure, thank fk. Lets say Scotland had gotten independence. You'd be fked for the next 100 years roughly, maybe longer and you'd have become dependent on other countries, so much seriously, i am very happy for my Scottish brethren, life can go on. Just remember, as much as we hate the government, its not actually as bad as people think, we have one of the best governments in the world and we can do economics like a beast. I am happy. No one likes to see a whole country go to sht. Together we are united!, together, we are strong!. DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA lol. Yea man for all of the **** we have, we should be grateful that we live in a country where we still have freedoms. There is nothing physically stopping us from changing our country for the better. Jesus just take one look at places like North Korea or parts of the middle east, or most of Africa...... Yea I am proud and happy to be British =D -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!


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