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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:13:00 -
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As someone who's hoping for the economy not to get screwed over, I'm hoping for a 'No' vote.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:25:00 -
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The idea of independence is quite a romantic proposition for many, though.
I'd much rather we stuck together, personally. Putting aside the potential economic disaster, I've grown quite attached to the Union Jack.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.13 22:08:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen.
Elaborate?
Polls are pretty close.
I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 16:54:00 -
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It also seems a little wtf to me that the future can get so drastically altered by a wafer thin margin.
Independence has huge consequences. What if it wins 51-49? What about the 49% who didn't want to go?
Feels awkward, especially if they get screwed economically as badly as it looks like they will.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:11:00 -
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Solid post, Ryme.
@Spade - his point was that the UK is spending more on Scotland per head than they're spending on England per head, as well as received more from the UK than it gave to the UK.
I really just don't understand why you'd want to leave the UK. 'Independence' is a romantic concept I suppose, but I just can't see any real world benefits to doing it.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:23:00 -
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Spademan wrote:
If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave.
But why though?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 22:46:00 -
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Quote:I'll probably get some flak for this, but it seems to me that the UK is holding them back.
But... how? The UK is putting more money into Scotland than it's getting out - how does that equate to holding them back?
Spademan wrote:Renegotiations of the oil fields would have to happen (because of the whole "they're in someone elses territory now" thing, the deal over them is with the UK currently, not Scotland) so the Scots could make a fair bit from that. And there's the fisheries too.
Except this money is already going into the Scottish economy.
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And government, the tories are in power at the moment, but few Scots actually voted for them. They're horrendously under-represented in west minister.
Indeed. That's not necessarily a reason to leave the Union, though - negotiating increased powers, as is already happening, seems like a much safer way of dealing with this.
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The nukes in Scotland would(should) be gone as well, and the less nukes in the world the better off everyone will be.
The nuclear weapons wouldn't be disposed of. The Trident program would move base to the US.
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Finally, now that this whole thing is under way, I'd be fearful that if at this stage a no vote was cast things could get worse for Scotland. A sort of "We're going to make sure you can't try this again" kind of deal.
This hints at the idea of the 'neverendum' - if at first you don't succeed, ask for another vote! I'm not sure how well it's going to go down either way. There's similar levels of backing for both sides at the moment. What if one side wins by a knife edge? How would pro-Unionists react to independence? I can see the nationalists being upset if they don't get it, but this is a really close thing.
The idea of a 'Yes' vote is upsetting to me as a Brit.
From a purely selfish viewpoint, if Scotland goes independent, I might get screwed economically as well. Just because of some pre-referendum polls, the value of the pound has already started to drop. There's been a general sell-off of British assets similar in scale to the 2008 crash. That's pretty terrifying to me as someone who would like a stable economy. With the pound, we weathered the eurozone crisis pretty well. Having another crisis does not appeal.
Another reason might be for my own 'nationalist' reasons. Personally, when asked for my nationality, I say 'British' rather than 'English'. If you were to ask what flag I counted myself under, I would think of the Union Jack.
It's extremely unsettling to think that the flag I've grown up with might change drastically from circumstances far beyond my control.
And it's really frustrating because I can't see the benefits of it. I don't understand why people want this other than because of some romantic idea of independence. If Scotland goes, everyone loses economically in a massive administrative headache. For what, exactly? Everything I've heard from the 'Yes' campaign seems to be talking about a 'vision' for Scotland and alternates between bashing the 'No' campaign (and although that's pretty typical for politics, there's an awful lot of it going on) and talking about dreamy ideas which don't seem to have any substance.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:01:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Of course theres also the other difference that historically the scots werent the victims of the british empire but arguably its keenest proponents and beneficiaries...
It was a due to a Scottish king that the Act of Union came about in the first place. :/
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.15 22:47:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
Losing Scotland would actually be more of a blow to the Labour party than David Cameron's party.
That's pretty annoying, given some of the ridiculous ideas about leaving the EU that've been spouted. (I'm probably going to get a bit divisive here.) It's amusing to me that the one thing that both the 'Yes' and 'No' groups agreed on was to screw UKIP-esque ideas like that. "Yes or no, UKIP has got to go" is a great chant, IMO.
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since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for.
Well... Okay?
By 'twatzs down south' do you mean everyone in the south or the politicians in particular?
If it's the politicians, I wholeheartedly agree.
If it's everyone, then why? It's not like the common man can do much, here.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.19 15:48:00 -
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It would seem reason has triumphed.
The forums have ruined me.
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