DUST Search - Scotlands independance vote.

Denchlad 7 wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Knight Soiaire wrote:

I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen.

Elaborate?

Polls are pretty close.
I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash.

The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting.

I hate to sound like some tw@ but i don't consider the UK as a massive population and it isn't.

Now lets look at Scotland, maybe 6 million people now? (5.295 million as of 2011). what country is going to have confidence with lending or anything at all with a country that is so small?, as if the UK wasn't a tiny fking islannd already eh?, lol.

I mean, fk me, Scotland won't even have the population to even bullsht that they can pay back what they lend lol.

Scotland will AT LEAST be going through a very long and painful transition that will last years, i hope the people understand what they are ACTUALLY getting when tax goes up and all the niceties now cost considerable money.

It's a nice notion and my hat goes off to it but the reality is that an independent Scotland would be very dysfunctional and 'Ne one' would want to have anything to do with them where business is concerned.

Especially after the threat of not paying back any of the debt that it is liable for, morally, not legally. I'm not sure how credible the source i got that one from is.

Again i keep seeing the word 'unity' in the vote, what a fking contradiction lol.

By the logic of Scotlands population being big enough to be independent, so could Greater London. Think its about 9million here now.

...at least London wouldnt go bust as fast. Big smile

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TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5562	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:04:00 - [1] - Quote Personally i think its just a hype for the leaders in Scotland to simply farm their own country, much like others who wanted independence. What exactly will this freedom mean if Scotland gets it?. What exactly do scottish people seriously expect to change for the better from this. And finally, do scottish people have ps3s?. That was spiffing.
Immortal John Ripper 24454	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:07:00 - [2] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Personally i think its just a hype for the leaders in Scotland to simply farm their own country, much like others who wanted independence. What exactly will this freedom mean if Scotland gets it?. What exactly do scottish people seriously expect to change for the better from this. And finally, do scottish people have ps3s?. I met a few scottish females on this game. They were kinky drunks. So yes, I assume scottish people have ps3's Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
General John Ripper 24553	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:07:00 - [3] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Personally i think its just a hype for the leaders in Scotland to simply farm their own country, much like others who wanted independence. What exactly will this freedom mean if Scotland gets it?. What exactly do scottish people seriously expect to change for the better from this. And finally, do scottish people have ps3s?. I met a few scottish females on this game. They were kinky drunks. So yes, I assume scottish people have ps3's Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17664	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:13:00 - [4] - Quote As someone who's hoping for the economy not to get screwed over, I'm hoping for a 'No' vote. Flying to new horizons.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5562	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:19:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: As someone who's hoping for the economy not to get screwed over, I'm hoping for a 'No' vote. I only ever see idiots who are in favour of segregation and separating things even more with these kinds of things. This seems like the kind of idea that was nurtured in some dingy little village local pub after about 10 pints of bitter. That was spiffing.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1128	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:24:00 - [6] - Quote I AM WILLIAM WALLACE!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17666	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:25:00 - [7] - Quote The idea of independence is quite a romantic proposition for many, though. I'd much rather we stuck together, personally. Putting aside the potential economic disaster, I've grown quite attached to the Union Jack. Flying to new horizons.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5564	Posted - 2014.09.11 20:32:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The idea of independence is quite a romantic proposition for many, though. I'd much rather we stuck together, personally. Putting aside the potential economic disaster, I've grown quite attached to the Union Jack. Yeah it's just pointless. What is the actual hope when Scotland has many issues being part of the UK as it is?. Seems dumb until i see anything that is 100% going to make things better other than hope and rhetoric. That was spiffing.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5855	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:31:00 - [9] - Quote I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17709	Posted - 2014.09.13 22:08:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. Flying to new horizons.

Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 216	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:34:00 - [11] - Quote im hoping for a yes vote lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 542	Posted - 2014.09.14 01:13:00 - [12] - Quote Boy, I hate being Half-English Half-Scottish. No. I honestly just see a self-dependent Scotland being all great and good till it goes bust and comes crying to David Cameron to be part of the UK again. I also dont fancy having to go through airport style check-ins everytime I get a train from London to Glasgow. Or passport checks on the A1. Before Non-Brits get confused, simply no. My Scottish family agrees. The only person in Dust stupid enough to Proto every single god-damn weapon. 19/19.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5615	Posted - 2014.09.14 03:17:00 - [13] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: Boy, I hate being Half-English Half-Scottish. No. I honestly just see a self-dependent Scotland being all great and good till it goes bust and comes crying to David Cameron to be part of the UK again. I also dont fancy having to go through airport style check-ins everytime I get a train from London to Glasgow. Or passport checks on the A1. Before Non-Brits get confused, simply no. My Scottish family agrees. Yeah. I'm British and i don't want it simply because of what you said, why ruin the unity we have?. No one wants to see a country begging like some slag and especially if it is one that is considered part of the same country by most. The idea of freedom is nice but what it actually would mean is a pile of sht. Every time a country gains freedom, it gets farmed by those at the top. I have seen people saying stupid sht like 'we will get the oil reserves and it will make Scotland wealthy', this is complete crap as the oil is owned by BP which is a corporation, not a country. Scotland won't get any of that oil and nothing will change, business will be as usual for BP regardless. Aargh, i can see so much crap coming from this. 5.295 million (as of 2011) people is just not enough for borrowing confidence and it was Scotland's own king who inherited England who united both countries in the first place. That was spiffing.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1132	Posted - 2014.09.14 13:51:00 - [14] - Quote I do not have a pony in this race, but I am curious as to what the ramifications of an independent Scotland would be. If the vote is yes, would that inspire Wales and Northern Ireland to do the same?
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3591	Posted - 2014.09.14 13:52:00 - [15] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I do not have a pony in this race, but I am curious as to what the ramifications of an independent Scotland would be. If the vote is yes, would that inspire Wales and Northern Ireland to do the same? I don't know about Wales, but Northern Ireland is the interesting one to me. One of their reasons for being in the union includes their ties to Scotland. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1821	Posted - 2014.09.14 15:53:00 - [16] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I do not have a pony in this race, but I am curious as to what the ramifications of an independent Scotland would be. If the vote is yes, would that inspire Wales and Northern Ireland to do the same? Wales - it is highly integrated with England economically and socially, and support for independence is at very low levels. NI - far less integrated and there is significant support for leaving the UK. Nevertheless there will remain a unionist majority who favour remaining part of the UK, whether Scotland is in it or not.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1821	Posted - 2014.09.14 15:56:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting.
Immortal John Ripper 24573	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:26:00 - [18] - Quote How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5634	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting. I hate to sound like some tw@ but i don't consider the UK as a massive population and it isn't. Now lets look at Scotland, maybe 6 million people now? (5.295 million as of 2011). what country is going to have confidence with lending or anything at all with a country that is so small?, as if the UK wasn't a tiny fking islannd already eh?, lol. I mean, fk me, Scotland won't even have the population to even bullsht that they can pay back what they lend lol. Scotland will AT LEAST be going through a very long and painful transition that will last years, i hope the people understand what they are ACTUALLY getting when tax goes up and all the niceties now cost considerable money. It's a nice notion and my hat goes off to it but the reality is that an independent Scotland would be very dysfunctional and 'Ne one' would want to have anything to do with them where business is concerned. Especially after the threat of not paying back any of the debt that it is liable for, morally, not legally. I'm not sure how credible the source i got that one from is. Again i keep seeing the word 'unity' in the vote, what a fking contradiction lol. That was spiffing.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5636	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:30:00 - [20] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. That was spiffing.

Immortal John Ripper 24573	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:36:00 - [21] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. I realize that. That is why I am not regurgitating the same crap I am reading here or on google. 1 morning's worth of research does not make me an expert nor would I feel like my opinion would hold much merit. Even less Merit because I am not from scotland nor am I anywhere near there. However doesn't mean it doesn't matter to me. Many people are going to be affected by this in one way or another. It is just interesting to know how they would be affected... What are the facts? why do this? what are the benefits? What are the cons? Doubling Billions of isk! I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!! No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5637	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:39:00 - [22] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. I realize that. That is why I am not regurgitating the same crap I am reading here or on google. 1 morning's worth of research does not make me an expert nor would I feel like my opinion would hold much merit. Even less Merit because I am not from scotland nor am I anywhere near there. However doesn't mean it doesn't matter to me. Many people are going to be affected by this in one way or another. It is just interesting to know how they would be affected... What are the facts? why do this? what are the benefits? What are the cons? Too much to list and benefits maybe around 100 years down the line if they can avoid a corrupt government. This Scottish utopia idea would also be almost unable to function with the rest of the world but done right, wouldn't have to. The whole thing moves further away from the global realisation that we are all human and more towards borders and boundaries. That was spiffing.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 545	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:43:00 - [23] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting. I hate to sound like some tw@ but i don't consider the UK as a massive population and it isn't. Now lets look at Scotland, maybe 6 million people now? (5.295 million as of 2011). what country is going to have confidence with lending or anything at all with a country that is so small?, as if the UK wasn't a tiny fking islannd already eh?, lol. I mean, fk me, Scotland won't even have the population to even bullsht that they can pay back what they lend lol. Scotland will AT LEAST be going through a very long and painful transition that will last years, i hope the people understand what they are ACTUALLY getting when tax goes up and all the niceties now cost considerable money. It's a nice notion and my hat goes off to it but the reality is that an independent Scotland would be very dysfunctional and 'Ne one' would want to have anything to do with them where business is concerned. Especially after the threat of not paying back any of the debt that it is liable for, morally, not legally. I'm not sure how credible the source i got that one from is. Again i keep seeing the word 'unity' in the vote, what a fking contradiction lol. By the logic of Scotlands population being big enough to be independent, so could Greater London. Think its about 9million here now. ...at least London wouldnt go bust as fast. The only person in Dust stupid enough to Proto every single god-damn weapon. 19/19.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 5637	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:47:00 - [24] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I'd like to see them get independence, but it won't happen. Elaborate? Polls are pretty close. I'm personally dreading the consequences of a 'Yes' vote because apparently British markets have already been nuked to a similar degree to the 2008 crash. The uncertainty of the independence negotiations would stop UK growth in its tracks until its resolved, which could take years. The consequences for the Scottish economy would be much more severe and long lasting. I hate to sound like some tw@ but i don't consider the UK as a massive population and it isn't. Now lets look at Scotland, maybe 6 million people now? (5.295 million as of 2011). what country is going to have confidence with lending or anything at all with a country that is so small?, as if the UK wasn't a tiny fking islannd already eh?, lol. I mean, fk me, Scotland won't even have the population to even bullsht that they can pay back what they lend lol. Scotland will AT LEAST be going through a very long and painful transition that will last years, i hope the people understand what they are ACTUALLY getting when tax goes up and all the niceties now cost considerable money. It's a nice notion and my hat goes off to it but the reality is that an independent Scotland would be very dysfunctional and 'Ne one' would want to have anything to do with them where business is concerned. Especially after the threat of not paying back any of the debt that it is liable for, morally, not legally. I'm not sure how credible the source i got that one from is. Again i keep seeing the word 'unity' in the vote, what a fking contradiction lol. By the logic of Scotlands population being big enough to be independent, so could Greater London. Think its about 9million here now. ...at least London wouldnt go bust as fast. Well no because the stock exchange. The UK would go bust for the most part and London would become even more swanky lol. Edit: in fact be quiet, we don't know who is watching, sssshhhhh ;) That was spiffing.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17726	Posted - 2014.09.14 16:54:00 - [25] - Quote It also seems a little wtf to me that the future can get so drastically altered by a wafer thin margin. Independence has huge consequences. What if it wins 51-49? What about the 49% who didn't want to go? Feels awkward, especially if they get screwed economically as badly as it looks like they will. Flying to new horizons.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1834	Posted - 2014.09.14 19:49:00 - [26] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: How many others are just reading but not posting so they don't sound like an idiot? Lol, political matters are just not my thing but this particular case is interesting to read about. It is not as pretty and romantic as the people who want it may think. It's going to screw Scotland for the foreseeable future and it's shocking that so many think they are different to those south of the border when we are on a tiny little island. Trust me, a lot of it is based on pipe dreams, right wing rhetoric and day dreamers. All facts have been avoided for the most part. I have heard more intelligent stuff coming from local alcoholics when i was managing a pub lol. I realize that. That is why I am not regurgitating the same crap I am reading here or on google. 1 morning's worth of research does not make me an expert nor would I feel like my opinion would hold much merit. Even less Merit because I am not from scotland nor am I anywhere near there. Geography may not be an excuse for ignorance but that is just how it is. However doesn't mean it doesn't matter to me. Many people are going to be affected by this in one way or another. It is just interesting to know how they would be affected... What are the facts? why do this? what are the benefits? What are the cons? I will give some socio-economic facts Scotland has an 8.4% share of UK population. 9.3% of UK public spending is in Scotland, so it spends more -ú per head. For the latest period with published figures (2012-13) it contributed 9.1% of tax revenues, including its revenues from its geographic share of oil and gas. So Scotland received marginally more than it contributed in the last year. UK and Scottish growth are between 2.5% and 3% per year, with unemployment around 7%. This compares highly favourably with the Eurozone (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc), which has 0.1% growth and unemployment of 11.5%. The relative stability of the British -ú is one of the drivers of the Scottish economy. Scotland's economy is highly integrated with that of the rest of the UK. 70% of Scotland's exports are to the rest of the UK (rUK). Therefore, there is a great economic benefit to being in a common currency area with the rUK, as is presently the case within the UK. This benefit would probably be lost on independence (all UK parties are opposed to a currency union in the event of independence), and Scottish exporters would suffer transaction costs and reduced competitiveness in their primary market. As part of the UK, Scotland has wide access to overseas markets through organizations such as the EU and the WTO. Scottish entry to these organizations would have to be negotiated on independence. This may prove to be impossible. For instance, entry to the EU requires unanimity among current members, including the UK and Spain, which is motivated to deter its own secessionist movements. Even were Scotland to enter the EU, it would have to agree to accept the troubled Euro as its currency. The UK is presently ruled by the centre-right Conservative party. Scotland is traditionally more left-leaning. The Conservatives are hated by many in Scotland. One longstanding source of resentment is the introduction of the despised Poll Tax in Scotland in 1989, prior to its introduction elsewhere in the UK (the tax has long since been repealed). Though control over the National Health Service, along with many other public services, is devolved to the Scottish Parliament, the Scottish National Party (SNP) claim that they are threatened with privatization by the Conservatives. This claim has never really been explained. Indeed, the SNP presently control the NHS in Scotland as they have a majority in the Scottish Parliament, and have (ironically) themselves privatized parts of the health service. A big part of the appeal of independence is the (supposed) opportunity to create a 'fairer' Scotland. Again, the SNP's claim in this respect is puzzling. They have had the power to increase income tax in Scotland for many years but have never done so. Their only firm tax proposal for an independent Scotland is a reduction in corporation tax, which hardly seems like a move motivated by 'fairness'. TL;DR Reasons to stay within UK - high level of economic performance, retention of the -ú, continued EU membership, etc. Reasons to leave UK - nationalism I guess?
Man of Spade Nos Nothi 530	Posted - 2014.09.14 19:57:00 - [27] - Quote I'm just reading for the most part, but can I ask why population is a relevant factor? Totally not Spademan. That guy is a real jackass. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17731	Posted - 2014.09.14 21:11:00 - [28] - Quote Solid post, Ryme. @Spade - his point was that the UK is spending more on Scotland per head than they're spending on England per head, as well as received more from the UK than it gave to the UK. I really just don't understand why you'd want to leave the UK. 'Independence' is a romantic concept I suppose, but I just can't see any real world benefits to doing it. Flying to new horizons.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3599	Posted - 2014.09.14 21:18:00 - [29] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Solid post, Ryme. @Spade - his point was that the UK is spending more on Scotland per head than they're spending on England per head, as well as received more from the UK than it gave to the UK. Ah, per head, fair enough. Quote: I really just don't understand why you'd want to leave the UK. 'Independence' is a romantic concept I suppose, but I just can't see any real world benefits to doing it. He says to an Irishman If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave. I honestly believe Scotland can and should stake it out on their own. Am I right? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. (Tech says no.) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17732	Posted - 2014.09.14 21:23:00 - [30] - Quote Spademan wrote: If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave. But why though? Flying to new horizons.



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