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Spademan
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:35:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Spademan wrote:
If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave.
But why though?
I'll probably get some flak for this, but it seems to me that the UK is holding them back. Renegotiations of the oil fields would have to happen (because of the whole "they're in someone elses territory now" thing, the deal over them is with the UK currently, not Scotland) so the Scots could make a fair bit from that. And there's the fisheries too.
And government, the tories are in power at the moment, but few Scots actually voted for them. They're horrendously under-represented in west minister.
The nukes in Scotland would(should) be gone as well, and the less nukes in the world the better off everyone will be. Finally, now that this whole thing is under way, I'd be fearful that if at this stage a no vote was cast things could get worse for Scotland. A sort of "We're going to make sure you can't try this again" kind of deal.
I'm sure there's legitimate reasons to stay, but I believe that'd be the wrong decision.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 22:46:00 -
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Quote:I'll probably get some flak for this, but it seems to me that the UK is holding them back.
But... how? The UK is putting more money into Scotland than it's getting out - how does that equate to holding them back?
Spademan wrote:Renegotiations of the oil fields would have to happen (because of the whole "they're in someone elses territory now" thing, the deal over them is with the UK currently, not Scotland) so the Scots could make a fair bit from that. And there's the fisheries too.
Except this money is already going into the Scottish economy.
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And government, the tories are in power at the moment, but few Scots actually voted for them. They're horrendously under-represented in west minister.
Indeed. That's not necessarily a reason to leave the Union, though - negotiating increased powers, as is already happening, seems like a much safer way of dealing with this.
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The nukes in Scotland would(should) be gone as well, and the less nukes in the world the better off everyone will be.
The nuclear weapons wouldn't be disposed of. The Trident program would move base to the US.
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Finally, now that this whole thing is under way, I'd be fearful that if at this stage a no vote was cast things could get worse for Scotland. A sort of "We're going to make sure you can't try this again" kind of deal.
This hints at the idea of the 'neverendum' - if at first you don't succeed, ask for another vote! I'm not sure how well it's going to go down either way. There's similar levels of backing for both sides at the moment. What if one side wins by a knife edge? How would pro-Unionists react to independence? I can see the nationalists being upset if they don't get it, but this is a really close thing.
The idea of a 'Yes' vote is upsetting to me as a Brit.
From a purely selfish viewpoint, if Scotland goes independent, I might get screwed economically as well. Just because of some pre-referendum polls, the value of the pound has already started to drop. There's been a general sell-off of British assets similar in scale to the 2008 crash. That's pretty terrifying to me as someone who would like a stable economy. With the pound, we weathered the eurozone crisis pretty well. Having another crisis does not appeal.
Another reason might be for my own 'nationalist' reasons. Personally, when asked for my nationality, I say 'British' rather than 'English'. If you were to ask what flag I counted myself under, I would think of the Union Jack.
It's extremely unsettling to think that the flag I've grown up with might change drastically from circumstances far beyond my control.
And it's really frustrating because I can't see the benefits of it. I don't understand why people want this other than because of some romantic idea of independence. If Scotland goes, everyone loses economically in a massive administrative headache. For what, exactly? Everything I've heard from the 'Yes' campaign seems to be talking about a 'vision' for Scotland and alternates between bashing the 'No' campaign (and although that's pretty typical for politics, there's an awful lot of it going on) and talking about dreamy ideas which don't seem to have any substance.
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Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2014.09.14 22:52:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Solid post, Ryme.
@Spade - his point was that the UK is spending more on Scotland per head than they're spending on England per head, as well as received more from the UK than it gave to the UK. Ah, per head, fair enough. Quote:
I really just don't understand why you'd want to leave the UK. 'Independence' is a romantic concept I suppose, but I just can't see any real world benefits to doing it.
He says with an Irishman reading  If I were Scottish and voting, I reckon I'd vote to leave. I honestly believe Scotland can and should stake it out on their own. Am I right? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. (Tech says no.)
Of course the irish independence situation was very different, they were repressed by the british and denied basic rights. They basically had to be independent if they wanted a decent future. It was about as far different from the scottish situation - where as i mentioned, scots receive more public spending per person than the english do - as one can imagine.
Of course theres also the other difference that historically the scots werent the victims of the british empire but arguably its keenest proponents and beneficiaries... |
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Posted - 2014.09.14 22:55:00 -
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Must build bridges, not walls.
Doubling Billions of isk!
I will double ALL isk from now until the15th!!
No amounts under 5m. Don't waste my time.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:01:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Of course theres also the other difference that historically the scots werent the victims of the british empire but arguably its keenest proponents and beneficiaries...
It was a due to a Scottish king that the Act of Union came about in the first place. :/
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.09.15 21:55:00 -
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theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for.
lets just burn this motherfucker down
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.09.15 22:47:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
Losing Scotland would actually be more of a blow to the Labour party than David Cameron's party.
That's pretty annoying, given some of the ridiculous ideas about leaving the EU that've been spouted. (I'm probably going to get a bit divisive here.) It's amusing to me that the one thing that both the 'Yes' and 'No' groups agreed on was to screw UKIP-esque ideas like that. "Yes or no, UKIP has got to go" is a great chant, IMO.
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since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for.
Well... Okay?
By 'twatzs down south' do you mean everyone in the south or the politicians in particular?
If it's the politicians, I wholeheartedly agree.
If it's everyone, then why? It's not like the common man can do much, here.
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
Losing Scotland would actually be more of a blow to the Labour party than David Cameron's party. That's pretty annoying, given some of the ridiculous ideas about leaving the EU that've been spouted. (I'm probably going to get a bit divisive here.) It's amusing to me that the one thing that both the 'Yes' and 'No' groups agreed on was to screw UKIP-esque ideas like that. "Yes or no, UKIP has got to go" is a great chant, IMO. Quote:
since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for.
Well... Okay? By 'twatzs down south' do you mean everyone in the south or the politicians in particular? If it's the politicians, I wholeheartedly agree. If it's everyone, then why? It's not like the common man can do much, here.
the conservatives, labour, lib dems and whoever else are all the same and of course i meant the politicians
lets just burn this motherfucker down
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Spademan
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:04:00 -
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Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:26:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for.
You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?.
your type can be found across the globe, iv been there, I know.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:28:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best.
It will most likely be for the worst but i 'hope' it won't be.
So much logic and factual stuff in the vote and even in this thread has been said yet it is simply ignored for fantasy and hope........
How can you have hope when reality is ignored?..
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:41:00 -
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But yeah, good luck Scotland, here's to less unity and much crawling on knees when the realisation that reality doesn't work half he way most seem to think and hope is moot without substance.
So far, there has been 100% no substance but hope that i have seen. Some very well presented tosh that can be mooted very swiftly.
Again.
Has anyone got 100% proof and facts that can sway my mind?, i have asked far and wide and not actually seen anything.
Some key points.
The land owned by foreigners to be taken back - they bought it, enough said.
The oil and BP - Yeah BP owns it, enough said.
RBS to move to London and abandon Scotland - does this need explaining lol?.
Too low a population to borrow money - No confidence in lending (not even a pipe dream would suffice to justify lending to 6 million people unless it was tiny).
Looses seats and rights in important positions to be taken seriously - goodbye G5 etc, welcome to mediocrity.
University and prescriptions will now cost - enough said.
Tax rises - enough said.
Thats only a bit of whats to come. Is all that really freedom though?. And if the world followed the same logic with some of that then we'd all be fked, all of us, you can't simply claim something that is owned and paid for.
Seriously, can anyone please just fking show me something that isn't a pipe dream or some hocus pocus bullsht that will actually benefit Scotland?, some actual fking reality in the matter please.
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Spademan
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:42:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Spademan wrote:Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best. It will most likely be for the worst but i 'hope' it won't be. So much logic and factual stuff in the vote and even in this thread has been said yet it is simply ignored for fantasy and hope........
Both sides have legitimate reasons for their stances. Likewise, both sides have people who have little logic to their thought process.
Quote:How can you have hope when reality is ignored?..
I'm an optimist.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.17 18:06:00 -
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Spademan wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Spademan wrote:Just want to wish ya'll the best of luck with the referendum tomorrow. Yes or no, I hope it turns out for the best. It will most likely be for the worst but i 'hope' it won't be. So much logic and factual stuff in the vote and even in this thread has been said yet it is simply ignored for fantasy and hope........ Both sides have legitimate reasons for their stances. Likewise, both sides have people who have little logic to their thought process. Quote:How can you have hope when reality is ignored?.. I'm an optimist.
I was hoping for something there.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.17 18:08:00 -
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Some actual stats or something.
Some actual projectionlols at least?.
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:04:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know.
so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend.
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:35:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know. so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend. oh, and independence through self determination and segregation have nothing at all to do with one another, so try again with the personnel attacks
What else am I supposed to think?.
Please present me with some actual facts that show that this independence is going to do any good because so far, no one has actually presented anything and the masses of idiots regardless of location seem to be ignoring them.
Much like yourself.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:45:00 -
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You can't can you.
Iv been speaking to loads of people who are for it and not one person can produce anything but hope and rhetoric.
The one measly fact alone that RBS will leave Scotland seriously isn't enough?, how much more stupid do people want to get.
Oh my god hahahahaha.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:56:00 -
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[quote=TechMechMeds]But yeah, good luck Scotland, here's to less unity and much crawling on knees when the realisation that reality doesn't work half he way most seem to think and hope is moot without substance.
So far, there has been 100% no substance but hope that i have seen. Some very well presented tosh that can be mooted very swiftly.
Again.
Has anyone got 100% proof and facts that can sway my mind?, i have asked far and wide and not actually seen anything.
Some key points.
The land owned by foreigners to be taken back - they bought it, enough said.
The oil and BP - Yeah BP owns it, enough said.
RBS to move to London and abandon Scotland - does this need explaining lol?.
Too low a population to borrow money - No confidence in lending (not even a pipe dream would suffice to justify lending to 6 million people unless it was tiny).
Looses seats and rights in important positions to be taken seriously - goodbye G5 etc, welcome to mediocrity.
University and prescriptions will now cost - enough said.
Tax rises - enough said.
Thats only a bit of whats to come. Is all that really freedom though?. And if the world followed the same logic with some of that then we'd all be fked, all of us, you can't simply claim something that is owned and paid for.
Seriously, can anyone please just fking show me something that isn't a pipe dream or some hocus pocus bullsht that will actually benefit Scotland?, some actual fking reality in the matter please.
Well that was spiffing!.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:59:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:[quote=TechMechMeds]But yeah, good luck Scotland, here's to less unity and much crawling on knees when the realisation that reality doesn't work half he way most seem to think and hope is moot without substance.
So far, there has been 100% no substance but hope that i have seen. Some very well presented tosh that can be mooted very swiftly.
Again.
Has anyone got 100% proof and facts that can sway my mind?, i have asked far and wide and not actually seen anything.
Some key points.
The land owned by foreigners to be taken back - they bought it, enough said.
The oil and BP - Yeah BP owns it, enough said.
RBS to move to London and abandon Scotland - does this need explaining lol?.
Too low a population to borrow money - No confidence in lending (not even a pipe dream would suffice to justify lending to 6 million people unless it was tiny).
Looses seats and rights in important positions to be taken seriously - goodbye G5 etc, welcome to mediocrity.
University and prescriptions will now cost - enough said.
Tax rises - enough said.
Thats only a bit of whats to come. Is all that really freedom though?. And if the world followed the same logic with some of that then we'd all be fked, all of us, you can't simply claim something that is owned and paid for.
Seriously, can anyone please just fking show me something that isn't a pipe dream or some hocus pocus bullsht that will actually benefit Scotland?, some actual fking reality in the matter please.
Please try and dispute this with some facts, be the first to actually talk sense.
Then we can move on to the fact that no one will want to do business with a country who not only blatantly wants to shoot themself in the foot, but also has too small a population for borrowing, too small for growth and has destroyed a perfectly good economic system whereby it benefits a hell of a lot and in fact will now be much worse off.
Bad business is bad.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:22:00 -
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The reason being independent will be better for you and for Scotland is simple. Being independent will mean the people who care most about Scotland GÇô the people who live in Scotland GÇô will be taking the decisions about our future.
The people of Scotland have the greatest stake in making our nation a success. That means we are more likely to make the right choices for our society and our economy - and to make decisions that mean our huge wealth delivers far greater benefits for the people living here.
Even David Cameron has said:
GÇ£Supporters of independence will always be able to cite examples of small, independent and thriving economies across Europe such as Finland, Switzerland and Norway. It would be wrong to suggest that Scotland could not be another such successful, independent country.GÇ¥
~ David Cameron
As an independent country, taking into account all our resources, weGÇÖd be among the twenty wealthiest countries on earth - according to analysis by the Financial Times. This puts us ahead of countries such as Italy, France, the UK and Japan. With independence we can make this wealth work much better for the people living here - and that is why a Yes is so important.
Precisely how each person in Scotland can benefit depends on their individual circumstances:
our young families will see a huge increase in childcare provision with all three and four year olds entitled to 1,140 free hours per year;
for our younger people we can use our wealth and control over our tax system to attract more employers to invest in Scotland, creating more and better local jobs. This means more opportunities for young people, closer to home, keeping families together GÇô a powerful legacy from a Yes vote;
people with disabilities will see the hated Work Capability Assessments scrapped and carers will benefit from an increase to Carer's Allowance worth -ú575;
for our rural communities we can bring Royal Mail back into public ownership, and ensure fair delivery charges;
for hard-pressed households we can take action to tackle rising energy bills, and ensure that benefits, tax credits and the basic rate tax allowance always keep up with rising living costs;
for our older people we can ensure that the state pension increases by at least 2.5%, or in line with the cost of living or earnings, as part of a GÇÿtriple-lockGÇÖ protection. And Scottish Government plans would see new pensioners receiving -ú160 per week under the single tier pension GÇô around -ú5 a week or -ú260 per year higher than as part of the UK;
our businesses will benefit from economic policy being designed for Scotland;
and we'll all benefit by being able to properly protect and invest in world class public services, including a quality NHS and education system, and from investing in a 'rainy day' oil fund, providing security for the future.
Today, we have a government in Westminster that most of us did not vote for, and yet that government is able to take major decisions that impact on families and communities in Scotland. As an independent country we will always get the government Scotland chooses GÇô a government that will take forward policies designed to meet the needs of people in Scotland.
We can elect the government we think cares most about Scotland GÇô a government that will look after the interests of people living here.
That means we can choose a better path. And it means we will be able to focus 100% on making Scotland better.
The future will be ours to decide. We will be able to make Scotland the country we all know it can be. Scotland is a very wealthy country - let's make it feel like it!
That's the best I have found and most of that is again just hopeful rhetoric which ignores many, many things. It is also all based on self centred crap, imagine If the UK wanted what was best for it, Scotland, Wales and Ireland would be fked.
I can debunk that whole list with mitigating factors that halt it all but I'll await dome replies. Hopefully someone has some kind of untouchable, 100% good reason for this 'independence' lol.
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:32:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know. so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend. oh, and independence through self determination and segregation have nothing at all to do with one another, so try again with the personnel attacks What else am I supposed to think?. Please present me with some actual facts that show that this independence is going to do any good because so far, no one has actually presented anything and the masses of idiots regardless of location seem to be ignoring them. Separating from the union will indeed be........separation and economically speaking, will annex Scotland as mediocre and obscure. Also, all governments are corrupt but the UK's is actually on of the best in the world as much as I hate them myself. History has shown time and again that all governments are corrupt, what makes you think Scotland will be any better?. It proper seems like the guys are out to fk the Scottish people for a decent wage and simply fill gullible peoples heads with hopeful bullsht. Much like yourself. Again, can you present me with any facts or are you just a hopeful and sour clown?. And that was an insult soppy bollocks, not an attack.
you been off your meds or something friend? show me one post of mine where im trying to fill gullible peoples minds with bullshite. ive simply stated that scotland has a great opportunity to get away from corrupt politics and politicians from parliament.
it would seem to me that your the only sour clown in this thread, all you have put forward is doom and gloom and insult anyone who doesnt agree with your doom p o r n
i wish the scots the best of luck regardless of what happens and if its a yes, try not to pop a blood vessel and any mistakes they make after that are theirs to make, it is free world after all is it not mr soppy bollocks :)
lets just burn this motherfucker down
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:36:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:theres lots of fear mongering going about regarding this vote, ask yourself why. david cameron and the rest of his mates couldnt give two ***** about the scots all they care about is loosing a large chunk of people for votes and to keep on printing the amount of funny money they do at the moment.
since i hate the twatzs down south i wish the scots all the best in what they decide to do, but anything that kicks the cuntz in the nuts and weakens them politically im all for. You are aware that you are simply part of a collection of stupid hating tw@s that seek to segregate everything?. your type can be found across the globe in every country, iv been there, I know. so because i would like to see an entire nation free from the corrupt cuntz in parliament im part of some global group of stupid hating twatz that want to segregate everything? overreact much :) you dont know me at all friend. oh, and independence through self determination and segregation have nothing at all to do with one another, so try again with the personnel attacks What else am I supposed to think?. Please present me with some actual facts that show that this independence is going to do any good because so far, no one has actually presented anything and the masses of idiots regardless of location seem to be ignoring them. Separating from the union will indeed be........separation and economically speaking, will annex Scotland as mediocre and obscure. Also, all governments are corrupt but the UK's is actually on of the best in the world as much as I hate them myself. History has shown time and again that all governments are corrupt, what makes you think Scotland will be any better?. It proper seems like the guys are out to fk the Scottish people for a decent wage and simply fill gullible peoples heads with hopeful bullsht. Much like yourself. Again, can you present me with any facts or are you just a hopeful and sour clown?. And that was an insult soppy bollocks, not an attack. you been off your meds or something friend? show me one post of mine where im trying to fill gullible peoples minds with bullshite. ive simply stated that scotland has a great opportunity to get away from corrupt politics and politicians from parliament. it would seem to me that your the only sour clown in this thread, all you have put forward is doom and gloom and insult anyone who doesnt agree with your doom **** i wish the scots the best of luck regardless of what happens and if its a yes, try not to pop a blood vessel and any mistakes they make after that are theirs to make, it is free world after all is it not mr soppy bollocks :)
Ah so reality is doom and gloom?.
So you have nothing?.
I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you.
Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?.
Well that was spiffing!.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:46:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:
Ah so reality is doom and gloom?.
So you have nothing?.
I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you.
Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?.
no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:51:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Ah so reality is doom and gloom?.
So you have nothing?.
I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you.
Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?.
no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions
Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing.
Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?.
Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?.
Well that was spiffing!.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:55:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Ah so reality is doom and gloom?.
So you have nothing?.
I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you.
Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?.
no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing. Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?. Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?.
the royal bank of scotland lol is no more scottish than you or me, and who owns it?
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:59:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Ah so reality is doom and gloom?.
So you have nothing?.
I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you.
Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?.
no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing. Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?. Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?. the royal bank of scotland lol is no more scottish than you or me, and who owns it?
Of course but they will be having nothing to do with Scotland if they get their 'independence' and they are the main bank in Scotland.
Well that was spiffing!.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:11:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Ah so reality is doom and gloom?.
So you have nothing?.
I didn't mean you either. That should have been obvious as you are not gaining a wage from your opinion are you.
Ah you are not even Scottish, are you even from the UK?.
no im not a scot, born and bred in the north east of england but why does it matter what part of england im from, are you from scotland? and ive got about as much as what you have, which is nothing but opinions Just asking because you clearly know nothing in the matter at all, nothing. Oh facts are opinions now?, so RBS alone wanting to ditch Scotland and move down south isn't bad?, that's just my opinion?. Are you one of those people who seems to think that definite actualities are debatable?. the royal bank of scotland lol is no more scottish than you or me, and who owns it? Of course but they will be having nothing to do with Scotland if they get their 'independence' and they are the main bank in Scotland.
man, the way your talking its as if the entire planet is going to ostracise scotland for daring to be independent, which could very well happen seeing how morally bankrupt most politicians are
so im going to say one last thing, have a little faith baby, have a little faith
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:16:00 -
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Because patronising is better than having a point, beats reality and surpasses definite actualities.
You can stick your faith up your arse sunshine.
And economically speaking, there will be zero confidence in scotland,. If you can't see that then I shouldn't have even wasted time replying yo you.
Enjoy your smooth exit lol.
Well that was spiffing!.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:24:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Because patronising is better than having a point, beats reality and surpasses definite actualities. You can stick your faith up your arse sunshine. And economically speaking, there will be zero confidence in scotland,. If you can't see that then I shouldn't have even wasted time replying yo you. Enjoy your smooth exit lol.
you dont know what the word patronize means, because your the only one treating the scotish people like children by implying they wont be able to get by without the mighty uk gov to wipe their arse for them
peace
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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