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Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:59:00 -
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Cheap tactics, putting spawns in buggy 3d meshes, having to spec into amar scout level 4 or 5 sacrificing 2 high with complex to stay alive. Having your team always filled with the noobs that dont team play or fail to realize there are no spawns left. Having the blue in your team play dust like its cod.
And when you want to simply have fun, there is always that scout ! |
Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:04:00 -
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People are tired of these endless threads of belly aching and bitching.
If you don't like DUST then play a different game. I don't feel obligated to convince you of anything.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:05:00 -
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Its all about being a boss. Minmatar with knives. Did i convince you?
PSN Sil4ntChaozz
Anything you can do a RAPTOR can do better
Scout Devotee with moments of FACEPALM
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Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:05:00 -
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Just saying ive been sacrificing the last week being the radar for the team so they can actually enjoy the game, but i do not, im so squishy i cant kill more than 5 guy in a game atm maybe 8 or 10. Opposite, there are plenty of 20 plus scouts, you have the numbers about scouts, you failed to set the assault as the real slayers ! |
Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:07:00 -
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A suggestion. Spec into heavys and hmgs, go I to domination. Stick with the largest group, and you will have enough health and people covering your back to survive.
Shoot Scout with yes.
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:09:00 -
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its true that flying uplinks on top of structures is broken and needs to go in Legion. this is a major problem even in PC matches.
its also true that scouts are still the dominant force on the battlefield because literally the only negative trait of a scout is low HP.
but cloaks are about to get a delay between decloaking and firing nerf, as well as a shotgun nerf
and you definitely don't need to run precision on the Amarr scout. the whole point of having an innate bonus is that you don't need to use it all the time. if there are no dampened scouts on the field, don't run your precision fitting.
to be honest everyone didn't bother specing the amarr because he sacrifices too many slots for scan ability. what actually made the former caldari bonus op was the combination of range and precision. he only had to dedicate 2 slots to precision and 1 slot to range, to get the same effect that amarr will get using 4 or 5 slots now. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:17:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Cheap tactics, putting spawns in buggy 3d meshes, having to spec into amar scout level 4 or 5 sacrificing 2 high with complex to stay alive. Having your team always filled with the noobs that dont team play or fail to realize there are no spawns left. Having the blue in your team play dust like its cod.
And when you want to simply have fun, there is always that scout !
Scout's appear to be OP because they generally require either an undivided attention or team work. It's easier to scout than to counter scout essentially especially since they win the Ewar. Not really anything to be done about that except that scouts have diminishing returns when your team is coherent.
That said the real perpetrator these days more than anything is just the high level of terrible players. And I'm not even talking gun play, I'm talking people giving up/farming isk/being actually stupid. Leaving objectives on Dom when they have been captured, hiding in your red line, spreading out across entire maps when the enemy is focused on the majority of objectives, etc. I get more upset with the team I get placed with than anything.
You can improve things by working in squads of competent players, but there is always a chance that your 6 will be fighting 10-16 competent players while only having 0-2 competent players on your team outside of your squad. When that happens, you're gonna have a bad time...
This happens in all team based games, if you play battlefield games/team fortress/battlefront/insert team game, and your team is awful you will be awful as well as you will get double/triple/quadrupled teamed while your teammates can't pull their weight. You rarely can carry your team and make up for the 5 guys going 0/16, unless the enemy has some guys going 0/16 as well.
This game has become far more balanced then I have ever seen it, I may dislike a tactic but all tactics generally have a counter these days, unlike past builds where it often took one type of suit/vehicles to kill the same suit/vehicle. Scouts are much easier to deal with if you have a mass driver on your team nearby or tote one yourself, it just won't matter if its you're carrying a mass driver vs. a heavy hmg + rep logi, shotgun scout, and some assault troops with a back up aver. Teamwork can wreck any lone wolf mentality. |
Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:22:00 -
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Go solo in an assault suit. Assume everyone can see you and you can't see anyone on the tacnet.
If you can't deal with that scenario than it doesn't matter if there are scouts or heavies or whatever you want to call OP. Tactical/situational awareness if far superior than being dependent on some radar, it's your lack of it that makes you think scouts are OP.
On Hiatus.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:30:00 -
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Lets get a thing straight, I have 38 mil SP, proto galente, proto Min Commando, level 3 in amar assault, logi, I have the dren suit, payed more than 150$ on that game. TYCHUS your comment is so on mark, I do always squad with 6 proficient players, We communicate alot on the battlefield, but scouts are still used as slayers, not game changers, its wrong that only one fit, that sacrifice lots of slots is the only counter to the prominent player base. I am very happy to know there will be a delay, todays last game I was knifed 3 times by gallente proto scouts that did not pop on the radar, where cloaked, killed me in an instant withtout making any signature at all. I feel like half the veterans refuse to play scout cause their cheap ass tryhard, and the other are playing it cause they make easy killing.
The thing is, tacnet should not show player directions at all, it would fix a lot of problems with scouts. The second thing is that scouts (light suits) have almost more CPU/PG than assault how the heck can a lighter suit work like that... anyway for the only thing that makes a scout bad (low HP) there is Keyboard straffing that makes it impossible to kill them, ive seen multiple occasion a lone scout take 2-3 players alone, heck Ive seem a minmatar heavy straffe with KB speed and kill 3 dudes with a hmg in open space ! FIX the straffing ! |
Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:32:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Go solo in an assault suit. Assume everyone can see you and you can't see anyone on the tacnet.
If you can't deal with that scenario than it doesn't matter if there are scouts or heavies or whatever you want to call OP. Tactical/situational awareness if far superior than being dependent on some radar, it's your lack of it that makes you think scouts are OP.
No its the fact that the scout has the tacnet and I dont that's OP. He sees my direction from his second ring he can totally **** me from any direction, especially position himself 50m behind me with a rail rifle and god knows lots of em do it !
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:37:00 -
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Is OP David Mustane alt?
Pokemon master!
I suck at Tekken lol
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Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:44:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Just saying ive been sacrificing the last week being the radar for the team so they can actually enjoy the game, but i do not, im so squishy i cant kill more than 5 guy in a game atm maybe 8 or 10. Opposite, there are plenty of 20 plus scouts, you have the numbers about scouts, you failed to set the assault as the real slayers !
Maybe you should learn to play being squishy.
Just today I went 22/9 in ADV gear with a Shotgun and SMG on my Min Scout. My shields were that of a basic Min scout. 198 shields and 87 armor. I had one complex shield extender, 2 complex precision enhancers and I believe 1 complex damp & 1 complex kin cat.
I think you need to embrace the squishy and learn to run and get the hella outta there. If you're used to tanking your scout with shields/armor/both then you have to learn how to pay attention to your health. If it's getting crazy, run fool! You got legs! Use them sh!ts!
Ask some squishy scouts how they play with sh!tastic HP and maybe they can guide you young grasshopper.
Edit: glitched uplinks suck :P and use your eyes and ears as far as cloaks go.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:49:00 -
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No matter who you are or what you do, it's alway about what kills you.
Get good about killing them first.
I'm seriously fukn serious
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Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:55:00 -
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mollerz wrote:No matter who you are or what you do, it's alway about what kills you.
Get good about killing them first.
I knew my post would at least attract one "get guud" guy. Please go troll else where this is an adult discussion.
About the squishiness, I agree I should probably never engage the enemy, but with the amar scout, the only thing you get is mostly assists ! I tried the shotgun cause to my dismay I still got a 100 HK4M to burn, its really not my weapon... |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:03:00 -
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Then go play another game already if you're so tired of it. It's not that hard especially with the PS3 having so many better games to choose from nowadays.
Also, as a Minmatar scout with absolutely no EWAR bonus and running around with less than 200 EHP on my suit with knives and an SMG, I'm still enjoying myself. The trick is to stop trying to get kills and just have fun. Play for the sake of playing. Not for the sake of padding the KDR or boosting your WPs.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:13:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Is OP David Mustane alt?
I didn't see the word "cheaters" so I don't think so.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:16:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Then go play another game already if you're so tired of it. It's not that hard especially with the PS3 having so many better games to choose from nowadays.
Also, as a Minmatar scout with absolutely no EWAR bonus and running around with less than 200 EHP on my suit with knives and an SMG, I'm still enjoying myself. The trick is to stop trying to get kills and just have fun. Play for the sake of playing. Not for the sake of padding the KDR or boosting your WPs.
Its not that Im tired of THE GAME, im more tired of the imbalances concerning the cloak killing, im the type that likes to win a match, not have to most kills, so playing the game for fun i can do until we get raped. These days i find most games we loose them because of synch and like an earlier poster said, the quality of players is really poor, its like they dont understand the goal, ive seen blue dots not taking flags in large group, prefering to spawn kill, thats the state of the game.
I rarely do ambushes cause its a slaughter house for KDR padders, sad cause a good balanced deathmatch is really fun. The funnest games I played yesterday to give you a hint where those that were close at the end, asking you to give everything to win, Teams commited to winning on both sides makes memorable moments in Dust that makes you cling to the game.
But right now, Ive seen entire squads synched running in scouts, cloaked and invisible, spreading and killing all by taking angles cause they see everybody on the tacnet, I dont understand people say, dont play with it when THEY have it, and they have more info than I have to put up a coherent strategy at a whim. Ive talked with Escrow people , OH and other veterans, and the tacnet direction is what makes it OP for scouts, they can organise their attack, while I cant cause the EWar is brokent. I know most of them left the game or do MCC waiting for a next patch... |
Varoth Drac
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:18:00 -
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It sounds like you aren't dampening enough. If you are using a scout suit and are being hunted by enemy scouts, put some dampeners on.
If you aren't picking up enemy scouts on radar switch to a suit without precision enhancers. Your presence has forced enemy scouts to fit damps, they won't know you've switched suits.
If you are trying to fight scouts without a scout suit, sticking close to teammates is the key. |
Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:21:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:It sounds like you aren't dampening enough. If you are using a scout suit and are being hunted by enemy scouts, put some dampeners on.
If you aren't picking up enemy scouts on radar switch to a suit without precision enhancers. Your presence has forced enemy scouts to fit damps, they won't know you've switched suits.
If you are trying to fight scouts without a scout suit, sticking close to teammates is the key.
Thanks, thats what I did, proto galente, but always ended up shotgun'ed, so I am speccing into amar, at least I dont have to care being detected if I see them, its one way or the other, sadly even at level 3 there is still scouts I dont pick up, at what level will I be able to pick a gallente with 3 proto dampeners (they would still have 1 slots left for armor)... |
Varoth Drac
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:36:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:It sounds like you aren't dampening enough. If you are using a scout suit and are being hunted by enemy scouts, put some dampeners on.
If you aren't picking up enemy scouts on radar switch to a suit without precision enhancers. Your presence has forced enemy scouts to fit damps, they won't know you've switched suits.
If you are trying to fight scouts without a scout suit, sticking close to teammates is the key. Thanks, thats what I did, proto galente, but always ended up shotgun'ed, so I am speccing into amar, at least I dont have to care being detected if I see them, its one way or the other, sadly even at level 3 there is still scouts I dont pick up, at what level will I be able to pick a gallente with 3 proto dampeners (they would still have 1 slots left for armor)...
You can't pick them up. This is the important point. As you have rightly pointed out, scanning is very powerful. That is why scouts are designed so they can be invisible to radar. If you are both invisible to radar, neither has the advantage.
I think I understand how you feel. I have recently been using my assault suits since the buff. Playing without scout EWAR capabilities is like loosing a comfort blanket, you feel very vulnerable. But I have adapted. It is a different way to play, you need to stick with teammates and always be ready to react to signs of a scout attack or a blue glow. I am learning to trust in the assault suits great mix of hp, damage and speed.
In short, learn to fight without radar. The counter to a scout is not the tacnet.
A competent proto Gallente scout is no harder to defeat than a competent proto assault or heavy. And a competent proto logi will be more helpful to a good team than anything else. |
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Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:59:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:mollerz wrote:No matter who you are or what you do, it's alway about what kills you.
Get good about killing them first. I knew my post would at least attract one "get guud" guy. Please go troll else where this is an adult discussion. About the squishiness, I agree I should probably never engage the enemy, but with the amar scout, the only thing you get is mostly assists ! I tried the shotgun cause to my dismay I still got a 100 HK4M to burn, its really not my weapon...
Then find your weapon! Your pride and joy. I prefer sidearms so I run those a lot. Also flanking and just always looking around. If you wear headphones listen for feet. I hear footsteps a lot so I know to scan the area. Once you get good with the squish you go head first and dominate. Jump sometimes too, especially over heavies. Sometimes it works others not so much. You'll figure it out as time goes on
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:18:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:mollerz wrote:No matter who you are or what you do, it's alway about what kills you.
Get good about killing them first. I knew my post would at least attract one "get guud" guy. Please go troll else where this is an adult discussion. About the squishiness, I agree I should probably never engage the enemy, but with the amar scout, the only thing you get is mostly assists ! I tried the shotgun cause to my dismay I still got a 100 HK4M to burn, its really not my weapon...
I'm not knocking you OP but Moller ... my see doesn't work on this computer , is not that type of person from what I understand and he helps a lot with some good advice .
It might seem like he's that type but I haven't seen it yet and he's a good player as well .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:36:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Cass Caul wrote:Go solo in an assault suit. Assume everyone can see you and you can't see anyone on the tacnet.
If you can't deal with that scenario than it doesn't matter if there are scouts or heavies or whatever you want to call OP. Tactical/situational awareness if far superior than being dependent on some radar, it's your lack of it that makes you think scouts are OP. No its the fact that the scout has the tacnet and I dont that's OP. He sees my direction from his second ring he can totally **** me from any direction, especially position himself 50m behind me with a rail rifle and god knows lots of em do it !
Solo Assault suit, bro. No tac net, just as I said above, assume they can see you. Be on guard and always expect someone to pop out of nowhere.
No one's fault but yours that you cry because someone shot you in the back.
On Hiatus.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:00:00 -
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He's got a point though, there are so many cheap tactics to be honest I'm just fed up of.
Fractured Road Domination, Is always about who gets uplinks on the tower next to the point.
Research Facility Domination, Is always a lag bomb in the supply depot room.
Manus Peak Domination, Is always about who controls the hill.
Border Gulch Domination, is always about lag bombing in the security structure.
Line Harvest Domination, is always about who controls the table top.
Every Ambush OMS, Is always about who's got the most tanks.
Every Skirmish, has at least 2 Sentinel Drive By Scrubs.
Every Skirmish, has at least 1 Redline Sniper.
Every Ambush, consists of Commandos with 2 Rail Rifles or Sentinels with 4 logis each.
Every Pubstomp is down to wolfpacking.
It's kind of depressing, the only thing that keeps you going are those rare matches, where it's squad vs squad, with decent players on each side.
Those Ambushes that are won or lost by a clone.
The Skirmishes that come down to whichever null cannon fires next.
The dominations that are decided by wether the enemies hack goes through before or after that final fatal volley.
As far as I'm concerned until every match you play in PUBS is like that, hwe's got every right to complain about some of the frankly bull tactics the PRO corps use, just because they can't face an honest well fought loss to some skilled blueberries,.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:31:00 -
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You must not PC much because PC is filled with hmg/forge heavies, some CR/RR commandos with swarms and vehicles, mostly ADS. most scouts in PC are either shotgun/RE scouts or they are flaking uplink/ anti uplink support.
I have seen teams with 8 heavies, 4 ads and the rest a mix of scouts and logis. This game is all about the burst hmg now.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:16:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:You must not PC much because PC is filled with hmg/forge heavies, some CR/RR commandos with swarms and vehicles, mostly ADS. most scouts in PC are either shotgun/RE scouts or they are flaking uplink/ anti uplink support.
I have seen teams with 8 heavies, 4 ads and the rest a mix of scouts and logis. This game is all about the burst hmg now.
I do remember when PC was just about slayer logis, then heavies, then tanks, then railrifle, then... CCP should look what is going on in PC, its the reflect of what is not working generally in the game, When PC becomes balanced, the game will definitly be a good game !
Happy im out of PC's BTW :)
Well, I have no problem the heavy kills alot with the burst, but the suit should cost the factor of how much it kills, I remember when tanks cost lots of ISK, I had no problem getting killed by them and had an objective of making the player loose alot by chasing it. They nerfed the vehicles so much that even with 3-4 mil SP scaterred in vehicle SP, I cant kill any heavies now, I even see heavy's going headstrong against me with forges not bothering for cover, now thats unbalanced. I do run all my tanks with secondary turrets and more peeps get in also which helps a bit but without secondary turrets heavies and most infantry just go by and dodge everything. I think CCP should make the Blaster and missile "Slightly" deadlier or maybe I need to sink 4-5 mil more in vehicles...
Im proficient with ADS but stopped using them, its a money pit and look forward to cheaper ADS. or loyalty store ADP, that could help ! |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:21:00 -
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You're running in a proto amar scout and you're being pwned by better players? How is that anyone else's fault except your own? GG. |
Gelhad Thremyr
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:38:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:You're running in a proto amar scout and you're being pwned by better players? How is that anyone else's fault except your own? GG.
No im running adv Amar with 2 precision and its taxing vs what the other have as advantage cause I still fail to see some scouts, galente and minmatar. For a strange reason, i dont see caldarie scout that much these days... |
Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:41:00 -
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You'll never win an argument with any of these guys because you're not trying to argue, and they come here for it. We all know scouts are OP, but until CCP digs their heads out of the sand it won't get fixed. When it does get fixed players that have taken advantage will cry that their scout has been taken away. They will then want you to come to the forums with all that logic and reason you're using now to help them "get gud" again lol!
You've made your point to the intelligent population no matter how much they throw dirt, and that's all that matters. o7
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:46:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:You must not PC much because PC is filled with hmg/forge heavies, some CR/RR commandos with swarms and vehicles, mostly ADS. most scouts in PC are either shotgun/RE scouts or they are flaking uplink/ anti uplink support.
I have seen teams with 8 heavies, 4 ads and the rest a mix of scouts and logis. This game is all about the burst hmg now. I do remember when PC was just about slayer logis, then heavies, then tanks, then railrifle, then... CCP should look what is going on in PC, its the reflect of what is not working generally in the game, When PC becomes balanced, the game will definitly be a good game ! Happy im out of PC's BTW :) Well, I have no problem the heavy kills alot with the burst, but the suit should cost the factor of how much it kills, I remember when tanks cost lots of ISK, I had no problem getting killed by them and had an objective of making the player loose alot by chasing it. They nerfed the vehicles so much that even with 3-4 mil SP scaterred in vehicle SP, I cant kill any heavies now, I even see heavy's going headstrong against me with forges not bothering for cover, now thats unbalanced. I do run all my tanks with secondary turrets and more peeps get in also which helps a bit but without secondary turrets heavies and most infantry just go by and dodge everything. I think CCP should make the Blaster and missile "Slightly" deadlier or maybe I need to sink 4-5 mil more in vehicles... Im proficient with ADS but stopped using them, its a money pit and look forward to cheaper ADS. or loyalty store ADP, that could help !
You're fine with the burst HMG but think that scouts are OP?
Please biomass.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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