DUST Search - convince me dust is not about scouts and cloaks and ...

Faquira Bleuetta wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Gelhad Thremyr wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

You must not PC much because PC is filled with hmg/forge heavies, some CR/RR commandos with swarms and vehicles, mostly ADS. most scouts in PC are either shotgun/RE scouts or they are flaking uplink/ anti uplink support.

I have seen teams with 8 heavies, 4 ads and the rest a mix of scouts and logis. This game is all about the burst hmg now.

I do remember when PC was just about slayer logis, then heavies, then tanks, then railrifle, then... CCP should look what is going on in PC, its the reflect of what is not working generally in the game, When PC becomes balanced, the game will definitly be a good game !

Happy im out of PC's BTW :)

Well, I have no problem the heavy kills alot with the burst, but the suit should cost the factor of how much it kills, I remember when tanks cost lots of ISK, I had no problem getting killed by them and had an objective of making the player loose alot by chasing it. They nerfed the vehicles so much that even with 3-4 mil SP scaterred in vehicle SP, I cant kill any heavies now, I even see heavy's going headstrong against me with forges not bothering for cover, now thats unbalanced. I do run all my tanks with secondary turrets and more peeps get in also which helps a bit but without secondary turrets heavies and most infantry just go by and dodge everything. I think CCP should make the Blaster and missile "Slightly" deadlier or maybe I need to sink 4-5 mil more in vehicles...

Im proficient with ADS but stopped using them, its a money pit and look forward to cheaper ADS. or loyalty store ADP, that could help !

You're fine with the burst HMG but think that scouts are OP?

Roll

Please biomass.

yeah he is like those heavies who lose to std assault while using pro hmg becuz they suck at aiming


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Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 337	Posted - 2014.09.07 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote Cheap tactics, putting spawns in buggy 3d meshes, having to spec into amar scout level 4 or 5 sacrificing 2 high with complex to stay alive. Having your team always filled with the noobs that dont team play or fail to realize there are no spawns left. Having the blue in your team play dust like its cod. And when you want to simply have fun, there is always that scout !
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 337	Posted - 2014.09.07 20:05:00 - [2] - Quote Just saying ive been sacrificing the last week being the radar for the team so they can actually enjoy the game, but i do not, im so squishy i cant kill more than 5 guy in a game atm maybe 8 or 10. Opposite, there are plenty of 20 plus scouts, you have the numbers about scouts, you failed to set the assault as the real slayers !
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 337	Posted - 2014.09.07 20:30:00 - [3] - Quote Lets get a thing straight, I have 38 mil SP, proto galente, proto Min Commando, level 3 in amar assault, logi, I have the dren suit, payed more than 150$ on that game. TYCHUS your comment is so on mark, I do always squad with 6 proficient players, We communicate alot on the battlefield, but scouts are still used as slayers, not game changers, its wrong that only one fit, that sacrifice lots of slots is the only counter to the prominent player base. I am very happy to know there will be a delay, todays last game I was knifed 3 times by gallente proto scouts that did not pop on the radar, where cloaked, killed me in an instant withtout making any signature at all. I feel like half the veterans refuse to play scout cause their cheap ass tryhard, and the other are playing it cause they make easy killing. The thing is, tacnet should not show player directions at all, it would fix a lot of problems with scouts. The second thing is that scouts (light suits) have almost more CPU/PG than assault how the heck can a lighter suit work like that... anyway for the only thing that makes a scout bad (low HP) there is Keyboard straffing that makes it impossible to kill them, ive seen multiple occasion a lone scout take 2-3 players alone, heck Ive seem a minmatar heavy straffe with KB speed and kill 3 dudes with a hmg in open space ! FIX the straffing !
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 337	Posted - 2014.09.07 20:32:00 - [4] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Go solo in an assault suit. Assume everyone can see you and you can't see anyone on the tacnet. If you can't deal with that scenario than it doesn't matter if there are scouts or heavies or whatever you want to call OP. Tactical/situational awareness if far superior than being dependent on some radar, it's your lack of it that makes you think scouts are OP. No its the fact that the scout has the tacnet and I dont that's OP. He sees my direction from his second ring he can totally **** me from any direction, especially position himself 50m behind me with a rail rifle and god knows lots of em do it !
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 337	Posted - 2014.09.07 20:55:00 - [5] - Quote mollerz wrote: No matter who you are or what you do, it's alway about what kills you. Get good about killing them first. I knew my post would at least attract one "get guud" guy. Please go troll else where this is an adult discussion. About the squishiness, I agree I should probably never engage the enemy, but with the amar scout, the only thing you get is mostly assists ! I tried the shotgun cause to my dismay I still got a 100 HK4M to burn, its really not my weapon...
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 337	Posted - 2014.09.07 21:16:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Then go play another game already if you're so tired of it. It's not that hard especially with the PS3 having so many better games to choose from nowadays. Also, as a Minmatar scout with absolutely no EWAR bonus and running around with less than 200 EHP on my suit with knives and an SMG, I'm still enjoying myself. The trick is to stop trying to get kills and just have fun. Play for the sake of playing. Not for the sake of padding the KDR or boosting your WPs. Its not that Im tired of THE GAME, im more tired of the imbalances concerning the cloak killing, im the type that likes to win a match, not have to most kills, so playing the game for fun i can do until we get raped. These days i find most games we loose them because of synch and like an earlier poster said, the quality of players is really poor, its like they dont understand the goal, ive seen blue dots not taking flags in large group, prefering to spawn kill, thats the state of the game. I rarely do ambushes cause its a slaughter house for KDR padders, sad cause a good balanced deathmatch is really fun. The funnest games I played yesterday to give you a hint where those that were close at the end, asking you to give everything to win, Teams commited to winning on both sides makes memorable moments in Dust that makes you cling to the game. But right now, Ive seen entire squads synched running in scouts, cloaked and invisible, spreading and killing all by taking angles cause they see everybody on the tacnet, I dont understand people say, dont play with it when THEY have it, and they have more info than I have to put up a coherent strategy at a whim. Ive talked with Escrow people , OH and other veterans, and the tacnet direction is what makes it OP for scouts, they can organise their attack, while I cant cause the EWar is brokent. I know most of them left the game or do MCC waiting for a next patch...
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 337	Posted - 2014.09.07 21:21:00 - [7] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: It sounds like you aren't dampening enough. If you are using a scout suit and are being hunted by enemy scouts, put some dampeners on. If you aren't picking up enemy scouts on radar switch to a suit without precision enhancers. Your presence has forced enemy scouts to fit damps, they won't know you've switched suits. If you are trying to fight scouts without a scout suit, sticking close to teammates is the key. Thanks, thats what I did, proto galente, but always ended up shotgun'ed, so I am speccing into amar, at least I dont have to care being detected if I see them, its one way or the other, sadly even at level 3 there is still scouts I dont pick up, at what level will I be able to pick a gallente with 3 proto dampeners (they would still have 1 slots left for armor)...
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 338	Posted - 2014.09.08 01:16:00 - [8] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You must not PC much because PC is filled with hmg/forge heavies, some CR/RR commandos with swarms and vehicles, mostly ADS. most scouts in PC are either shotgun/RE scouts or they are flaking uplink/ anti uplink support. I have seen teams with 8 heavies, 4 ads and the rest a mix of scouts and logis. This game is all about the burst hmg now. I do remember when PC was just about slayer logis, then heavies, then tanks, then railrifle, then... CCP should look what is going on in PC, its the reflect of what is not working generally in the game, When PC becomes balanced, the game will definitly be a good game ! Happy im out of PC's BTW :) Well, I have no problem the heavy kills alot with the burst, but the suit should cost the factor of how much it kills, I remember when tanks cost lots of ISK, I had no problem getting killed by them and had an objective of making the player loose alot by chasing it. They nerfed the vehicles so much that even with 3-4 mil SP scaterred in vehicle SP, I cant kill any heavies now, I even see heavy's going headstrong against me with forges not bothering for cover, now thats unbalanced. I do run all my tanks with secondary turrets and more peeps get in also which helps a bit but without secondary turrets heavies and most infantry just go by and dodge everything. I think CCP should make the Blaster and missile "Slightly" deadlier or maybe I need to sink 4-5 mil more in vehicles... Im proficient with ADS but stopped using them, its a money pit and look forward to cheaper ADS. or loyalty store ADP, that could help !
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 340	Posted - 2014.09.08 01:38:00 - [9] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: You're running in a proto amar scout and you're being pwned by better players? How is that anyone else's fault except your own? GG. No im running adv Amar with 2 precision and its taxing vs what the other have as advantage cause I still fail to see some scouts, galente and minmatar. For a strange reason, i dont see caldarie scout that much these days...
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 340	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:02:00 - [10] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Cheap tactics, putting spawns in buggy 3d meshes, having to spec into amar scout level 4 or 5 sacrificing 2 high with complex to stay alive. Having your team always filled with the noobs that dont team play or fail to realize there are no spawns left. Having the blue in your team play dust like its cod. And when you want to simply have fun, there is always that scout ! My advice to you....... strafe. I do strafe, it works sometimes, but I always loose to KB/mouse strafers cause they dont use the same strafing mecanism as us because their input is not analog, its either 1 or 0 on the keyboard and the way CCP programmed the game they did not program a smooth curve cause it would have taken them 15 minutes more lol (I know I am a game developper). The stupid thing is that this is sooo intern level knowledge. I remember when me and my buddy LaGhoule started playing Dust how much we said the LAV physics MUST have been programmed by an intern....sadly driving an LAV is still ****** and non believable of 2 thousand years in the future... how well ! And for Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p, if the suit cost as much as a tank because it makes as much kills then yes, remember this game is about resource management, if you need to make 5 ambushes to buy a single suit (notwidthstanding those 2+ billions ISK veterans from the not so long PC era) then yes it is balanced !

Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 340	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:22:00 - [11] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: You must not PC much because PC is filled with hmg/forge heavies, some CR/RR commandos with swarms and vehicles, mostly ADS. most scouts in PC are either shotgun/RE scouts or they are flaking uplink/ anti uplink support. I have seen teams with 8 heavies, 4 ads and the rest a mix of scouts and logis. This game is all about the burst hmg now. I do remember when PC was just about slayer logis, then heavies, then tanks, then railrifle, then... CCP should look what is going on in PC, its the reflect of what is not working generally in the game, When PC becomes balanced, the game will definitly be a good game ! Happy im out of PC's BTW :) Well, I have no problem the heavy kills alot with the burst, but the suit should cost the factor of how much it kills, I remember when tanks cost lots of ISK, I had no problem getting killed by them and had an objective of making the player loose alot by chasing it. They nerfed the vehicles so much that even with 3-4 mil SP scaterred in vehicle SP, I cant kill any heavies now, I even see heavy's going headstrong against me with forges not bothering for cover, now thats unbalanced. I do run all my tanks with secondary turrets and more peeps get in also which helps a bit but without secondary turrets heavies and most infantry just go by and dodge everything. I think CCP should make the Blaster and missile "Slightly" deadlier or maybe I need to sink 4-5 mil more in vehicles... Im proficient with ADS but stopped using them, its a money pit and look forward to cheaper ADS. or loyalty store ADP, that could help ! You're fine with the burst HMG but think that scouts are OP? Please biomass. yeah he is like those heavies who lose to std assault while using pro hmg becuz they suck at aiming Its not sarcasm when its true, i equiped my dren with the adv burst hmg and yeah i suck more than most, then again im level 4 in hmg with one level in amar heavy lol ! I prefer my amar proto, at least like tiberius i used to run it before the respec sinc day 1 of the scrambler, now since peeps knows about the modded controller they all use it, such a shame cauz it was a good skill weapon and now it will turn to **** sic!
Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 340	Posted - 2014.09.08 04:01:00 - [12] - Quote David Mustane wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Cheap tactics, putting spawns in buggy 3d meshes, having to spec into amar scout level 4 or 5 sacrificing 2 high with complex to stay alive. Having your team always filled with the noobs that dont team play or fail to realize there are no spawns left. Having the blue in your team play dust like its cod. And when you want to simply have fun, there is always that scout ! that is what the a-holes here are all about, how cheap can they be and how many bugs can they exploit. (which is cheating in any other game) Everyone pretty much only will run what is OP, and will never run anything but. I think (and Im not alone) that the free to play is what attracts the worst kind of players. They complain more and make up the worst of any communities online. This one im afraid is not one of the best, but I think all of EVE players are the similar to the "get gud", "f u c k y a l l", this is what the game is about and cheap tactics are good. If its your case then go play Legion when it goes out, we'll laugh our asses thinking about how CCP screwed us on the playstation... In any cases its bad PR for CCP, if all continues this path, enough people might consider the company unworthy of supporting with their money !