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CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1466	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:20:00 - [1] - Quote I have not played this game in a month or so but have been playing again a bit recently. All I have to say is - WTF did CCP do to the burst HMG? One of those LAV heavies drove up to me yesterday, jumped out with his burst HMG an killed my 600hp suit (granted 600 hp is not huge) in like a nano second. Brrrrrrmp Barrmmp DEAD. What the actual feck? -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Thurak1 Psygod9 975	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:32:00 - [2] - Quote You should have seen the terror my squad was raising. 2 logi's and 4 heavies 2 lav's Course the heavies all had burst hmg's. It was a lot of fun we drove to an objective killed everything in sight hacked and moved on. Took no time to cap all objectives.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11948	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:32:00 - [3] - Quote Players negating two of their disadvantages (Speed and range). We really shouldn't be surprised this is a thing. Make AV grenades destroy LAV's easily and watch it stop. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Hyuan BubblePOP Uber Wanabes 13	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:54:00 - [4] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I have not played this game in a month or so but have been playing again a bit recently. All I have to say is - WTF did CCP do to the burst HMG? One of those LAV heavies drove up to me yesterday, jumped out with his burst HMG an killed my 600hp suit (granted 600 hp is not huge) in like a nano second. Brrrrrrmp DEAD. What the actual feck? I saw a burst hmg player using a modded controller the other day, Postilloneonin i think was his name. destroyed my proto gall sentinel in 1 sec or one trigger pull for him, while being repped by 2 proto logis.
Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 10	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:59:00 - [5] - Quote but jihad LAVs are a valid tactic right? EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SAME ******* CONCEPT
taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 243	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:17:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Players negating two of their disadvantages (Speed and range). We really shouldn't be surprised this is a thing. Make AV grenades destroy LAV's easily and watch it stop. personally i think light weapons should do reasonable damage to LAV's and dropships
taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 243	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:19:00 - [7] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: but jihad LAVs are a valid tactic right? EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SAME ******* CONCEPT all you do is talk about JLAV's ...... yet claim not to be a tanker? so much rage for an infantry player trying to stick up for the tank community.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2774	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:30:00 - [8] - Quote Help them to have a good time with a mined field. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1466	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:31:00 - [9] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: but jihad LAVs are a valid tactic right? EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SAME ******* CONCEPT Jihad LAV`s are not the same thing at all. If he came at me with a JLAV I would easily have time to react and run away from the blast radius. The HMG drive by`s were bad enough but you could occasionally take them out when they got too cocky. This new breed of Burst hmg drive by`s.....the burst destroyed me in one burst. Absolutely 0 time to react. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1714	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:04:00 - [10] - Quote It's not just the HMG LAV thing, maps are totally infested with hit and run LAV drivers now, who just try to run people over all game. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to have in an FPS. I think the solution is to make LAVs vulnerable to small arms fire. Half a clip of AR should be sufficient put an LAV into the 'on fire, jump out now or die' stage.

BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 2988	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:11:00 - [11] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It's not just the HMG LAV thing, maps are totally infested with hit and run LAV drivers now, who just try to run people over all game. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to have in an FPS. I think the solution is to make LAVs vulnerable to small arms fire. Half a clip of AR should be sufficient put an LAV into the 'on fire, jump out now or die' stage. AR does 33.99 damage half a clip would be 1019.7 damage, an LAV has about 2.5K-3K HP so 2.5x damage to LAVs? supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 756	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:37:00 - [12] - Quote Hyuan BubblePOP wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I have not played this game in a month or so but have been playing again a bit recently. All I have to say is - WTF did CCP do to the burst HMG? One of those LAV heavies drove up to me yesterday, jumped out with his burst HMG an killed my 600hp suit (granted 600 hp is not huge) in like a nano second. Brrrrrrmp DEAD. What the actual feck? I saw a burst hmg player using a modded controller the other day, Postilloneonin i think was his name. destroyed my proto gall sentinel in 1 sec or one trigger pull for him, while being repped by 2 proto logis. was probably manual fireing but you can get 2-3 bursts off in a second and each one is like 1350 damage (before damage profiles) so yeah it can eat people alive [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3957	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:55:00 - [13] - Quote In the annals of cheap Dust tactics, this one is right up there near the top. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1717	Posted - 2014.09.03 12:37:00 - [14] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It's not just the HMG LAV thing, maps are totally infested with hit and run LAV drivers now, who just try to run people over all game. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to have in an FPS. I think the solution is to make LAVs vulnerable to small arms fire. Half a clip of AR should be sufficient put an LAV into the 'on fire, jump out now or die' stage. AR does 33.99 damage half a clip would be 1019.7 damage, an LAV has about 2.5K-3K HP so 2.5x damage to LAVs? I guess 100% damage vs. LAV would be okay so it would be just about possible to take down an LAV in an AR clip. (Unfitted Saga=2100HP, so about the same as an AR clip with high proficiency.) Basically just remove the present resistance and shield regen under fire.
Nobinishi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 28	Posted - 2014.09.03 13:06:00 - [15] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: You should have seen the terror my squad was raising. 2 logi's and 4 heavies 2 lav's Course the heavies all had burst hmg's. It was a lot of fun we drove to an objective killed everything in sight hacked and moved on. Took no time to cap all objectives. And this!! Clear case of chasing the flavour...... Huh fun really... With two-third of your squad using an obviously broken weapon...But hey! Abuse and get on the gravy train till the nerf bat hits right? And people wonder why......seriously facepalm Check the Bass Bruh !! My bad still figurin' out the buttons..
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2366	Posted - 2014.09.03 13:10:00 - [16] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Players negating two of their disadvantages (Speed and range). We really shouldn't be surprised this is a thing. Make AV grenades destroy LAV's easily and watch it stop. personally i think light weapons should do reasonable damage to LAV's and dropships Everyone believes this... Every game has this... where light weapons damage light armor vehicles and air units massively.. In DUST? it's like throwing fruit at them.... --------> Forward thought.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> CCP Shanghai.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 282	Posted - 2014.09.03 13:12:00 - [17] - Quote Bethhy wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Players negating two of their disadvantages (Speed and range). We really shouldn't be surprised this is a thing. Make AV grenades destroy LAV's easily and watch it stop. personally i think light weapons should do reasonable damage to LAV's and dropships Everyone believes this... Every game has this... where light weapons damage light armor vehicles and air units massively.. In DUST? it's like throwing fruit at them.... --------> Forward thought.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> CCP Shanghai. I bet throwing a pineapple does more damage than shooting it with a light weapon
Arcturis Vanguard Murphys-Law 274	Posted - 2014.09.03 13:24:00 - [18] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Hyuan BubblePOP wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I have not played this game in a month or so but have been playing again a bit recently. All I have to say is - WTF did CCP do to the burst HMG? One of those LAV heavies drove up to me yesterday, jumped out with his burst HMG an killed my 600hp suit (granted 600 hp is not huge) in like a nano second. Brrrrrrmp DEAD. What the actual feck? I saw a burst hmg player using a modded controller the other day, Postilloneonin i think was his name. destroyed my proto gall sentinel in 1 sec or one trigger pull for him, while being repped by 2 proto logis. was probably manual fireing but you can get 2-3 bursts off in a second and each one is like 1350 damage (before damage profiles) so yeah it can eat people alive also did i mention FOTm is like amarr sent+burst hmg as amarr sent can get like 800-900 shields and 1300 near 1400 armor.. thats Ducking Futs I would like it for once when you posted was actual facts not random bull sh it to make things over exaggerated. An amarr sent with max core skills will have 450 shields and 750 armor before mods. An amarr sent has 1h 4L @ proto. Which means max ehp would be 522 shields and 1344 armor. Maybe you should stfu until you actually have real facts to go with your statements. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1469	Posted - 2014.09.03 14:03:00 - [19] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Hyuan BubblePOP wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I have not played this game in a month or so but have been playing again a bit recently. All I have to say is - WTF did CCP do to the burst HMG? One of those LAV heavies drove up to me yesterday, jumped out with his burst HMG an killed my 600hp suit (granted 600 hp is not huge) in like a nano second. Brrrrrrmp DEAD. What the actual feck? I saw a burst hmg player using a modded controller the other day, Postilloneonin i think was his name. destroyed my proto gall sentinel in 1 sec or one trigger pull for him, while being repped by 2 proto logis. was probably manual fireing but you can get 2-3 bursts off in a second and each one is like 1350 damage (before damage profiles) so yeah it can eat people alive also did i mention FOTm is like amarr sent+burst hmg as amarr sent can get like 800-900 shields and 1300 near 1400 armor.. thats Ducking Futs I would like it for once when you posted was actual facts not random bull sh it to make things over exaggerated. An amarr sent with max core skills will have 450 shields and 750 armor before mods. An amarr sent has 1h 4L @ proto. Which means max ehp would be 522 shields and 1344 armor. Maybe you should stfu until you actually have real facts to go with your statements. Guys, I appreciate the commentary in here but I do not give a DAMN about what suits can get what hit points. This thread is about the abuse of a totally broken game mechanic and a OP weapon system. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4756	Posted - 2014.09.03 14:20:00 - [20] - Quote I don't have an issue with these people because I'm not a dumbass. If I'm running a 600 ehp suit it's a scout, and if I'm a scout I have a shotgun and a cloak. However, I can counter these players easily in any suit. Call in a LAV Make sure to get on the opposite side of the vehicle that they will be jumping out from Quickly run towards their LAV in order to make sure you are as far away from the player as possible. Try and distract them by shooting over the LAV as they try and circle around (the etra speed you have makes this easy Jump in your own LAV when it has been called in. The other tactic is to be a badass and make them have to reload while also applying DPS to them the whole time, then if they try and run away you always have your own LAV to get out of there as soon as possible. Don't have a LAV to call in? Use cover and speed Stuck in the middle of a field? Don't stand in the middle of a field. At an objective by yourself? Use your own burst HMG or shotgun or remotes 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!

Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 343	Posted - 2014.09.03 14:28:00 - [21] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It's not just the HMG LAV thing, maps are totally infested with hit and run LAV drivers now, who just try to run people over all game. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to have in an FPS. I think the solution is to make LAVs vulnerable to small arms fire. Half a clip of AR should be sufficient put an LAV into the 'on fire, jump out now or die' stage. Half an ar clip? Do you have a galmando with damage mods or what? Why?
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 602	Posted - 2014.09.03 15:00:00 - [22] - Quote Bethhy wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Players negating two of their disadvantages (Speed and range). We really shouldn't be surprised this is a thing. Make AV grenades destroy LAV's easily and watch it stop. personally i think light weapons should do reasonable damage to LAV's and dropships Everyone believes this... Every game has this... where light weapons damage light armor vehicles and air units massively.. In DUST? it's like throwing fruit at them.... --------> Forward thought.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> CCP Shanghai. Are plasma cannons and Swarms not light weapons? Thr33 is the magic number. no hope.
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 602	Posted - 2014.09.03 15:02:00 - [23] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It's not just the HMG LAV thing, maps are totally infested with hit and run LAV drivers now, who just try to run people over all game. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to have in an FPS. I think the solution is to make LAVs vulnerable to small arms fire. Half a clip of AR should be sufficient put an LAV into the 'on fire, jump out now or die' stage. psst! there is a counter. it is called a militia HAV! Thr33 is the magic number. no hope.
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1472	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:33:00 - [24] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I don't have an issue with these people because I'm not a dumbass. If I'm running a 600 ehp suit it's a scout, and if I'm a scout I have a shotgun and a cloak. However, I can counter these players easily in any suit. Call in a LAV Make sure to get on the opposite side of the vehicle that they will be jumping out from Quickly run towards their LAV in order to make sure you are as far away from the player as possible. Try and distract them by shooting over the LAV as they try and circle around (the etra speed you have makes this easy Jump in your own LAV when it has been called in. The other tactic is to be a badass and make them have to reload while also applying DPS to them the whole time, then if they try and run away you always have your own LAV to get out of there as soon as possible. Don't have a LAV to call in? Use cover and speed Stuck in the middle of a field? Don't stand in the middle of a field. At an objective by yourself? Use your own burst HMG or shotgun or remotes I am sorry Mr. Elite that we can't all be in scouts with cloaks 24/7. So you are basically calling me and others a dumbass for succumbing to the burst drive-by`s? So the surprise LAV turns up, the way to counter that is to call in an LAV? Get to the opposite side of the vehicle? Run towards the HMG? "Use your own burst HMG" = THIS IS NOT A COUNTER I'm sorry but that is all total BS. At no point was there any chance to react. Now if you are saying that I should call in an LAV of my own after the fact, how is that a counter? Forgive me if I am not quite understanding you but it sounds like you are defending this practice. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 343	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:37:00 - [25] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I don't have an issue with these people because I'm not a dumbass. If I'm running a 600 ehp suit it's a scout, and if I'm a scout I have a shotgun and a cloak. However, I can counter these players easily in any suit. Call in a LAV Make sure to get on the opposite side of the vehicle that they will be jumping out from Quickly run towards their LAV in order to make sure you are as far away from the player as possible. Try and distract them by shooting over the LAV as they try and circle around (the etra speed you have makes this easy Jump in your own LAV when it has been called in. The other tactic is to be a badass and make them have to reload while also applying DPS to them the whole time, then if they try and run away you always have your own LAV to get out of there as soon as possible. Don't have a LAV to call in? Use cover and speed Stuck in the middle of a field? Don't stand in the middle of a field. At an objective by yourself? Use your own burst HMG or shotgun or remotes I am sorry Mr. Elite that we can't all be in scouts with cloaks 24/7. So you are basically calling me and others a dumbass for succumbing to the burst drive-by`s? So the surprise LAV turns up, the way to counter that is to call in an LAV? Get to the opposite side of the vehicle? Run towards the HMG? "Use your own burst HMG" = THIS IS NOT A COUNTER I'm sorry but that is all total BS. At no point was there any chance to react. Now if you are saying that I should call in an LAV of my own after the fact, how is that a counter? Forgive me if I am not quite understanding you but it sounds like you are defending this practice. I never have to deal with bhmg but at least other people feel the same way about a weapon as i feel about rail rifles. Why?
Copharus Arkana Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2014.09.03 17:16:00 - [26] - Quote I just want to point out that the core mechanic of heavys as a class is a broken idea. Heavys have, and always will be a crutch. They need to be removed from the game.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1723	Posted - 2014.09.03 17:19:00 - [27] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It's not just the HMG LAV thing, maps are totally infested with hit and run LAV drivers now, who just try to run people over all game. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to have in an FPS. I think the solution is to make LAVs vulnerable to small arms fire. Half a clip of AR should be sufficient put an LAV into the 'on fire, jump out now or die' stage. psst! there is a counter. it is called a militia HAV! You shouldn't have to do a specific counter to such scrubiness, that then makes it a legitimate tactic. Running the enemy over in a jeep is not and never has been a widespread battlefield tactic, for the simple reason that you'd instantly get chewed up by small arms fire. It's only Dust's crazy logic that means a super fast, super light, super cheap vehicle can circle squads of infantry indefinitely without serious risk of injury unless they happened to bring full blown anti-tank weapons.
Michael Arck 5385	Posted - 2014.09.03 17:22:00 - [28] - Quote Its weird how no one is really making that much noise about the burst compared to the pre nerf of standard HMG, there were 3 to 5 threads complaining about it. But havent we been here before? A nerf happens, mercs go to something else and then that new option is recognized as being OP. Whats great about the burst is wrecking confidence. Watching a red stand there thinking my burst fire will give him enough time to kill and then boom, he is dead. I just hope the heavies dont return to being a joke fit. Thats all I ask. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Michael Arck 5385	Posted - 2014.09.03 17:24:00 - [29] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I don't have an issue with these people because I'm not a dumbass. If I'm running a 600 ehp suit it's a scout, and if I'm a scout I have a shotgun and a cloak. However, I can counter these players easily in any suit. Call in a LAV Make sure to get on the opposite side of the vehicle that they will be jumping out from Quickly run towards their LAV in order to make sure you are as far away from the player as possible. Try and distract them by shooting over the LAV as they try and circle around (the etra speed you have makes this easy Jump in your own LAV when it has been called in. The other tactic is to be a badass and make them have to reload while also applying DPS to them the whole time, then if they try and run away you always have your own LAV to get out of there as soon as possible. Don't have a LAV to call in? Use cover and speed Stuck in the middle of a field? Don't stand in the middle of a field. At an objective by yourself? Use your own burst HMG or shotgun or remotes I am sorry Mr. Elite that we can't all be in scouts with cloaks 24/7. So you are basically calling me and others a dumbass for succumbing to the burst drive-by`s? So the surprise LAV turns up, the way to counter that is to call in an LAV? Get to the opposite side of the vehicle? Run towards the HMG? "Use your own burst HMG" = THIS IS NOT A COUNTER I'm sorry but that is all total BS. At no point was there any chance to react. Now if you are saying that I should call in an LAV of my own after the fact, how is that a counter? Forgive me if I am not quite understanding you but it sounds like you are defending this practice. I never have to deal with bhmg but at least other people feel the same way about a weapon as i feel about rail rifles. You new breed of mercs just plain suck. Seriously you're terrible if you're moaning about RR. But I've seen you play before and I know you probably need all the nerfing you can get. Stop playing this game like its BF and COD and maybe you wont die to the RR. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 602	Posted - 2014.09.03 17:47:00 - [30] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: ugg reset wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It's not just the HMG LAV thing, maps are totally infested with hit and run LAV drivers now, who just try to run people over all game. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to have in an FPS. I think the solution is to make LAVs vulnerable to small arms fire. Half a clip of AR should be sufficient put an LAV into the 'on fire, jump out now or die' stage. psst! there is a counter. it is called a militia HAV! You shouldn't have to do a specific counter to such scrubiness, that then makes it a legitimate tactic. Running the enemy over in a jeep is not and never has been a widespread battlefield tactic, for the simple reason that you'd instantly get chewed up by small arms fire. It's only Dust's crazy logic that means a super fast, super light, super cheap vehicle can circle squads of infantry indefinitely without serious risk of injury unless they happened to bring full blown anti-tank weapons. A MLT HAV isn't The counter to your problem it's just the best one I could think of off the top of my head. Ground vehicles have their place in Dust, it's open, flat, space. so if you can't stand the heat get back in the city. Quote: Running the enemy over in a jeep is not and never has been a widespread battlefield tactic, for the simple reason that you'd instantly get chewed up by small arms fire. says you, go play a combat SIM(or get some fresh air). a low brow game like this is just a waste of your precious time. Thr33 is the magic number. no hope.



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